| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| Billylll |
Posted - Oct 16 2011 : 11:40:49
Here are the details of the boat as I would like to sell her.
1993 Mainship 40 SB actually titled a 1992 40'9"
Upgrades
new 8.1L HO Mercs in 2007 (170 hours on motors, transmissions and V drives)
new Borg 72C (1 to 1) transmissions 2007.
new Walter RV40 2.05 to 1 V drives new 2007.
new Aquamet 22 shafts and dripless bearings 2011.
New fresh water tanks (Poly) 2008 about 80 gallons.
New dual Shurflo sensor max VSD fresh water pump 2012.
Spare rebuilt dual VSD freshwater pump.
New spotlight ACR 2008.
New Bennett digital trim display 2009.
New Holding tank 35 gallon (Poly) 2008.
New sanitation hoses 2012.
New freshwater hoses in the head 2012.
New Model 850 Good Windlass and helm and foot controls w/ 300 fet of rode 60 feet of 5/16 BBB chain with over size 45lbs Danthford anchor 2007.
Vetus Bow thruster w/ stand alone 2X31 series AGM batteries and a stand alone Xantrex 40 amp TruCharger (newer Xantrex).
Syrens/Wave WiFi 1 watt WiFi unit. Upgraded 2011.
New Nordcold 12VDC/110AC refrifgerater 2007 model DE0061R full sized frig/freezer.
Raritan Marine Elegance freshwater head with delux control panel.
New custom Aluminum arch and finished fiberglass high gloss hardtop.
New Marine Air 16,000BTU reverse air units with digital controls (2) 2008. AC units cleaned, flushed serviced 2012.
Coleman 15,000BTU Reverse camper style AC unit on hardtop. (2009)
Port engine has (2) 31 series Lifeline AGM house/starting bank 2008.
Starboard engine has (2) 31 series Lifeline AGM's 2011.
Garmin 6212, 4210, 740s, GMI10 NMEA display/plotters(s), GMR18HD radar, GWI-10, GXM51 XM/SIRIUS weather/entertainment NMEA2000 system, GDL-40 Cellular pay as you go weather receiver (NMEA2000) Garmin NMEA2000 network includes gas flow sensors, weather station, Airmax (Maretron) heading sensor and depth finder and GDS-22 sonar.
Raymarine camera on cockpit area and engine room.
Garmin VHF200 with wired remote full function mic/speaker new 2010.
Marinco AIS Class B NMEA2000 integrated with all displays.
All IMTRA interior blue accent LED lighting including very expensive PERKO running/navigation CG approved LED fixtures.
Blue cockpit IMTRA LED lighting.
4 Blue high power LED through hull lights by (Briter Innovations) new 2010.
Kohler 7.3kw (7.3ECD/Low CO) generator w/ salon digital remote (2007) 175 hours. Cooling system cleaned, impeller and plugs serviced 2012. It has it's own Lifeline 31 series AGM.
Engines and generator are charged by a seperate Xantrex 40 amp charger with a remote status display.
2-BlueSea high current ACR's wired to charge the house bank and the thruster bank remotes at the helm.
Waterlift mufflers and new exhaust hoses 2007.
Atwood 11 gallon hot water heater with exchanger 2009.
Raritan tank monitor system 2009.
New upholstery for the entire bridge seating and pads.
All interior doors and cabinets custom refinished.
Bow and Stern pressurized fresh water wash downs.
Dual Merc System View 5000 engine monitors on custom powder coated dash/helm.
Glomex V9125 OTA TV antenna with preamplifier new 2010.
450 watt solar system w/ MorningStar controller(2009).
Morse Teleflex single stick per engine electronic throttles/shifts model KE4 (2007).
Jensen 26" 12VDC LED TFT flat screen Digital TV in salon just installed 11/10/11 (brand new).
Jensen 22" 12VDC LED TFT flat screen TV in Master stateroom.
Rule 2000gph bilge pumps 2008 (3)
Rule high water alarm and 3700GPH pump (ER) 2010.
New blowers in the ER 2008.
Rule shower sump box new 2009 have spare pump.
Jabsco run dry high volume waste pump 2012 and spare.
High intensity Ocean LED White arch lights.
Revere 6 person life raft up to date inspection.
1-406/GPS EPIRB.
New BlueSea 13 breaker DC house panel.
New (2) West Marine DC remote breaker panels for lighting and 12VDC Carframo fans.
4 IMTRA gooseneck red/white LED reading lights
Fiberboy ER fire suppresion system.
4 CO alarms
Xintex alarm system with CO sensors replaced 2010.
ORIGO glass cook top flush mount new 2007 perfect condition.
3 - Digital 563W 4' Marine cellular antennas.
1 - 23' SSB Digital antenna.
1 - 4' Digitaql AM/FM marine Antenna.
1 - VHF AIS specific Digital Antenna.
1 - Spare coaxial feed ACR GPS antenna
1 - Garmin GPS antenna for the 740's MFD.
1 - Garmin NMEA2000 GPS antenna.
1 - Navionics GPS antenna for the AIS.
1 - 16' VHF antenna by Digital Antenna.
1 - 8' VHF antenna by Digital Antenna.
1 - 4' Digital VHF antenna (spare).
1 - 4' WiFi antenna for the Wave EC WiFi system.
8 - Red/White LED (large fixtures) ceiling lights total.
Built in ME CD player for the TV system.
JENSEN AM&FM&CD player w/ 4 new speakers and Memorex bass cabinet.
Whats wrong with the boat? It could use upgraded carpet, rear curtain and soft goods in the salon. Although they are not filthy just showing some age.
Fiberglass has imperfections but no soft spots. The hull is thick solid fiberglass.
The boat is coming with the following expensive options;
FLIR thermal imager.
Fleet Broadband Skipper FB150 sat dome phone.
KVH M3 Direct TV dome and reciever.
12VDC 8gph Spectra DC Watermaker 2010.
Hold-N-Treat/Purasan waste treatment system serviced 2012 installed 2009.
The real problem is this boat has to be delivered under it's own power with the hardtop and pipework it would be very costly to disassemble for truck transportation.
Asking $95,000. I have over $250k in the boat.
Always professionaly maintained records available at the marina.
Manuals in binders for all equipment.
Reasonable offers are encouraged.
Bill |
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| Salvatore356 |
Posted - Jun 08 2012 : 05:35:42
Sounds like you have a nice boat at a good price. Give yachtworld a chance I say 90% of people use it. I think in the chesapeake bay area you would have a better chance. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 26 2012 : 22:35:25
quote:
Originally posted by Woodsong
Bill- I just sent you an email.
I will do that Tony either tonight or tomorrow.
Thanks,
Bill |
| Woodsong |
Posted - May 26 2012 : 21:22:13
Bill- I just sent you an email. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 26 2012 : 11:21:03
To eliminate confussion start with page 1 and my (revised) 1st post. I have upgraded the overall boat's description, price and upgrades. Tony perhaps if the existing posts with pictures and my 1st Post could be left in place that is all that is needed. It would get rid of 2-4 pages of off topic discussion.
Bill |
| walterv |
Posted - May 16 2012 : 11:18:45
quote:
Originally posted by The Other Gary
Bill, Since you seem pretty firm in your decision I strongly suggest that when Les is back on his feet you ask him to delete this thread and start a new one that shows as a new offering.
There is way too much history here and a fresh start is in order for proper marketing to the many guests that read here that may not know or care about the past.
Ooops, just noticed that Woodsong can also do this for you.
Just Sayin'
Ditto,
Very sound advise. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 16 2012 : 09:14:20
quote:
Originally posted by The Other Gary
Bill, Since you seem pretty firm in your decision I strongly suggest that when Les is back on his feet you ask him to delete this thread and start a new one that shows as a new offering.
There is way too much history here and a fresh start is in order for proper marketing to the many guests that read here that may not know or care about the past.
Ooops, just noticed that Woodsong can also do this for you.
Just Sayin'
I agree but I in the mean time I can start a new thread and have this one deleted by Tony the moderator.
I will have time this weekend Gary.
Bill |
| The Other Gary |
Posted - May 16 2012 : 08:57:36
Bill, Since you seem pretty firm in your decision I strongly suggest that when Les is back on his feet you ask him to delete this thread and start a new one that shows as a new offering.
There is way too much history here and a fresh start is in order for proper marketing to the many guests that read here that may not know or care about the past.
Ooops, just noticed that Woodsong can also do this for you.
Just Sayin'
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| Billylll |
Posted - May 15 2012 : 12:28:31
I certainly would stay on the board Dave.
My plan is to sell the Mainship and get a smaller single engine 32-34 foot older Trawler.
Boating or being on the water is very relaxing for me I almost can't imagine not being on the water.
However I might be boatless if the Mainship sells quicker then I think it will.
Bill |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 14 2012 : 18:02:11
Bill every time I even think about what it cost to own a boat I get sick and wonder why I do it! It's not like I'm rich or something far from it but I just love boating and can't imagine life without a boat. I too may have to face reality at some point and sell the boat but for now I say we both make the most of them while we still got them.
Best of luck and I hope if you really want to sell it moves quickly for you. I know it's a double edged sword but maybe it for the best. I hope you stick around here and offer advice you are someone we have all come to count on! |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 14 2012 : 07:49:15
Bruce T, part of my problem is the boat can't be trailered to my home for winter storage. There are no moorings in my area. I have cut my boating expenses but between insurance, maintenance, winter storage and slip fees the annual costs on a 40 foot boat can get quite expensive.
Bill |
| btoran |
Posted - May 14 2012 : 06:38:37
several years ago we needed to put our boat up for sale due to economic reasons. thankfully, it didn't sell and we were able to seriously reduce our annual boating expenses, which allowed us to keep the boat. we moved from a slip to a mooring, use our own dinghy instead of a launch, keep the boat at home for the winter, and i do all the winterizing and commissioning myself. it's definitely less convenient than before, but our annual storage, slip, and maintenance expenses went from about 12k per year to 2k per year. not sure if these are viable options where you are but it's something to consider. if not, good luck with the sale. your boat is a gem and someone will be very lucky to buy it. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 12 2012 : 09:46:37
Well my wife & I are really enjoying ourselves and relaxed. I have a few problems to correct from winter. Very minor plumbing stuff. If I still have the boat this winter I will be doing the freshwater and sanitation system winterization myself.
Bill |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 10 2012 : 08:38:10
quote:
Originally posted by mixman
Yes, Bill, you do. You're a good man for that an all the other things you've done, especially for me and the BE community. You've got my number and I have yours. If you need anything from me, call me. I'd take your boat in a heartbeat, but we're good with our little boat. $280 for 40 gallons here in the Bahamas yesterday almost made me fall off the bow! Heck, the couple we keep running into with an older Nordic that only burns 2-3 gallons per hour vs. our 4 almost made me sell. But then again, we keep beating them to destinations by hours :-)
Thanks Kurt. You have the best of almost all worlds with your current boat. The trawler might be a bit roomier but as you said it will take hours longer to get there then in your Cat.
Bill |
| mixman |
Posted - May 09 2012 : 20:52:10
Yes, Bill, you do. You're a good man for that an all the other things you've done, especially for me and the BE community. You've got my number and I have yours. If you need anything from me, call me. I'd take your boat in a heartbeat, but we're good with our little boat. $280 for 40 gallons here in the Bahamas yesterday almost made me fall off the bow! Heck, the couple we keep running into with an older Nordic that only burns 2-3 gallons per hour vs. our 4 almost made me sell. But then again, we keep beating them to destinations by hours :-)
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| Billylll |
Posted - May 09 2012 : 20:38:58
No pity party guys at least I take personal responsability for my own actions or inactions leading up to this.
Bill |
| RWS |
Posted - May 09 2012 : 19:41:05
It's sad and we all commiserate with you, as we do understand and comprehend that your boat means far more to you than a hunk fo motorized fiberglass on the water.
RWS |
| PascalG |
Posted - May 09 2012 : 18:06:03
sorry to read you're selling Bill!! good luck! |
| walterv |
Posted - May 09 2012 : 17:44:32
This is very depressing, I hate to hear stuff like this about someone I don't know, really sucks to hear stuff like this about such a good hard working person like Billy that I do know. Billy, I agree with Hogan, let the buyer decide if its worth it to truck it, just saying. I also get why your saying this.
Hang in there Billy, as mentioned we are all pulling for you!!!
Best regards my friend
Woodsong (Tony)
Wow, no list on you old boat when you removed the bridge. :) |
| HOGAN |
Posted - May 09 2012 : 17:02:10
A couple of nights on the boat might just convince you to keep it! |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 09 2012 : 16:34:56
The boat is finally in the water. It will be ready to show this weekend.
My wife and I will be going to the boat tomorrow and be there until Monday morning.
Bill |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 06 2012 : 11:26:03
quote:
Originally posted by JeffN
Well, for what it's worth Bill, you have a lot of people pulling for you here and some can maybe turbocharge your sale.
Everyone has been great with wanting to help.
I just went to my homeport marina this afternoon the bottom will be painted and the Zincs replaced on Monday. I expect to launch Tuesday morning. I'll start detailing the interior and finishing up minor projects. Then I will be listing the boat. It will be ready to show by next weekend.
I might as well enjoy it until it sells. It sure made my wife happy this afternoon.
Thank you,
Bill |
| JeffN |
Posted - May 06 2012 : 10:58:30
Well, for what it's worth Bill, you have a lot of people pulling for you here and some can maybe turbocharge your sale. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 06 2012 : 10:24:31
quote:
Originally posted by JoeShoes
Bill
I am sorry to hear about your troubles.
My best to you and the missus.
Joe
Thanks Joe and all the other members that have contacted me. This is just one of many steps I need to take to remain solvent and financially intact. If I can turn things around I will get back into boating. I just need a boat that is less expensive to run and keep. I am hoping a 32 to 36 single low powered diesel used trawler is in the future.
Bill |
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Posted - May 05 2012 : 22:14:17
Bill
I am sorry to hear about your troubles.
My best to you and the missus.
Joe |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 05 2012 : 10:04:53
Mike 1st I need to get the boat in the water. It's not going to sell on the hard. My wife and I are going to the marina later today to make arrangements to have it put in it's slip so we can move forward with listing and selling the boat. I just paid my insurance policy and it is good until next June. We will probably get to enjoy the boat while we clean and detail it depending on how fast of if it sells. Most boaters in the area know the boat well and we always get compliments on the radio, at the docks and the local West Marine. There are a few projects that need cleaning up which if motivated would take me 2 days max. She could use new carpet and the L shaped sofa/bed could use recovering. However they are not in terrible shape just showing their age.
As far as breaking the electronics out that is difficult because the dash(s) were custom built for the displays, FLIR controller and System View displays, etc. It's possible I could remove some components.
They might be the KVH M-3 TracTV on Direct TV, the Skipper 150 FB150 satellite terminal (data and voice), the Ericsson W-35 AT&T 3.5G terminal, maybe the FLIR, the Spectra Watermaker, one of 2 Garmin VHF200 radios and the AIS Class B transponder. Towards the end of last season I installed 2 new Jensen 26" and 22" 12vdc high resolution TFT LED HD TV's. The older LCD 12vdc Jensens 15" & 19" could go back in. I also installed a new Microwave oven at the same time.
Bill |
| CurrentSea |
Posted - May 05 2012 : 10:03:29
Billy, sorry to hear this.
If you are serious to sell then list it in multiple places. Craigslist is good. List on long island as that type of boat would be desirable here.
Good Luck in life and the sale. I always say you need to hit bottom to bounce back. Let's hope this is your bottom and your bounce starts.
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| HOGAN |
Posted - May 05 2012 : 09:52:34
Bill, you are seriously limiting your potential buyers by saying that it can't be removed. ANYTHING can be removed, it's just a matter of cost.
Let the buyer decide if that cost is something he/she is willing to pay.
You should probably also list any extra electronic equipment separately, you'll end up getting more money for the individual items than throwing it in as a package. Plus if the boat doesn't sell quickly, you can pick up some cash from those items. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 05 2012 : 09:49:52
quote:
Originally posted by JeffN
Good luck moving forward Bill. We bailed on boating about 7 years ago but had a runabout which never ranabout much so that's been gone for a couple years. Now we have an annual rental agreement that works fine for day boating to keep our feet wet. Someday when things settle, I can see getting back in but as you say, lower key and diesel.
Sometimes a seep back is the right direction.
And what would a captain charge to run that boat to CA?
Jeff it's definately a low point in my life. My wife is upset about selling the boat as well. I don't think she has a realistic grasp on just the fees alone to store/ winterize the boat then to put it back in the water for the season (slip fees). That's if nothing goes wrong after the winter layup. Then there is the cost of fuel and the boat really can't sit as a dock Mary or the props and bottom get fouled and the Ethenol will go bad. No matter how well you maintain a boat there are always things that break due to the nature of putting engines and electronics on the water.
Bill |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 05 2012 : 09:44:19
Tony can it be taken apart? Yes, but consider this the radar arch and hardtop pipework are integrated (welded Aluminum). There is a ring of aluminum tube under the entire hardtop edge inside the curtains that is welded at every point including at the side X bracing. The hardtop is very large and heavy. I assume you have been on the upper helm of a 40SB so I think you understand the size of the hardtop. Also the hardtop is finished on both sides and about 3" thick, insulated with a grid of channels in it to run wiring. If I didn't have all the electronics on the hardtop and the radar/dome arch it sure would make removal easier. I think because of the overall length of the boat the swim platform is part of the hull and can not be removed, the one piece arch/hardtop pipework and the hardtop itself would need to go on a 2nd truck.
Bill |
| JeffN |
Posted - May 04 2012 : 21:49:01
Good luck moving forward Bill. We bailed on boating about 7 years ago but had a runabout which never ranabout much so that's been gone for a couple years. Now we have an annual rental agreement that works fine for day boating to keep our feet wet. Someday when things settle, I can see getting back in but as you say, lower key and diesel.
Sometimes a seep back is the right direction.
And what would a captain charge to run that boat to CA?
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| Woodsong |
Posted - May 04 2012 : 21:25:55
Billy,
If it was added on it can be taken down for shipping. We take apart boats MUCH bigger and more stuff to come down and it works out just fine. Heck, the bridge even on my 38 sport bridge I owned a few years ago- that bridge came off entirely in 2 separate pieces! Here's my old boat with the entire bridge GONE:
That was the removal of the entire bridge, steering station, wet bar, aft seating, all railings, arch, etc.
I am sure your arch is full of electronics but what would it take? 2 days of 9 hours each to take the electronics down properly, that is $1,600-$1,700 in labor for that, then unbolting the top itself, transport, then put her back together. A competent hauler can do this and we work with several down here that do it from start to finish- take down the electronics, take down top, haul it, reassemble, then resplash. Add all that together and a 685 mile haul to Ontario then yes, you could be looking rb2rb2rb2@gr5tgr5tgr5t around $10-12k total. We ship 40 aft cabin motor yachts from Atlanta to NY for $8k all said and done and that is removing a hard top, etc.
I guess my point is to not assume it can't be shipped over land b/c it can though it sounds like a lot of work will be needed to remove the electronics but anything can be shipped and this boat would be worth shipping!
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| VTBoater |
Posted - May 04 2012 : 19:25:53
Bill,
Sorry to hear about your economic situation. Boating is stupidly expensive.
You should or have someone at the marina help you get a true measurement from the water to the highest point on the boat that can easily be lowered, antennas and such. I can't believe that a Carver aft cabin can get through the canals but your boat will not. If it can be boated to lake Ontario, you likely have her sold. Trucking would not be cheaper, but could certainly be done.
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| jmeirhofer |
Posted - May 04 2012 : 18:49:56
$20k for the work considering the huge discount to begin with still makes it a bargain. A boat lie this for less than $100k?
If I was in the market you would already have sold it. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 04 2012 : 16:16:18
Scott I'm sure the boat you are buying is fine. Believe me it could be disassembled but at what cost? I'm thinking $20k worth of work. There is literally no room left in the rear pipework for additional wiring. These would all have to come out, then the top taken off, then the solar panels, roof AC unit removed along with the antennas and NMEA2000 sensors from the hardtop. At that point the supporting frame is all one piece it would have to be unbolted from the boats structure. Then the process starts again once you get the boat to where it's going. It's no minor task.
Bill |
| rythmstrat |
Posted - May 04 2012 : 14:10:31
quote:
Originally posted by Prospective
I don't know billy or you at all but I gotta say if you're serious about a Mainship 40 Sedan, this is the one to get. Truckable or not (and it's worth futher research) you would be nuts not to consider this one seriously. It is loaded down with electronics, new power, and is beyond well maintained. Hell, bring it on it's own bottom. It would probably take three weeks or so and it would be a beautiful trip (this assuming it would clear under the 17' bridge on the Champlain Canal. You don't even have to do it all in a row. Do a week, go home, etc... Just my $0.02
Believe me, I just got home from out of town late last night, got caught up on this thread, and have thought of little else. |
| Veg |
Posted - May 04 2012 : 13:59:11
IMHO, this is the definition of giving a boat away. It's new everything. I'm in shock nobody has bought this yet.
I'm surprised it's not truckable at all, how the heck do they deliver really big yachts? Like, I recently saw a photo of a Tiara 5800 Sovran arriving in Gulf Breeze FL via truck, and that thing looked huge!
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| Prospective |
Posted - May 04 2012 : 13:47:16
I don't know billy or you at all but I gotta say if you're serious about a Mainship 40 Sedan, this is the one to get. Truckable or not (and it's worth futher research) you would be nuts not to consider this one seriously. It is loaded down with electronics, new power, and is beyond well maintained. Hell, bring it on it's own bottom. It would probably take three weeks or so and it would be a beautiful trip (this assuming it would clear under the 17' bridge on the Champlain Canal. You don't even have to do it all in a row. Do a week, go home, etc... Just my $0.02 |
| rythmstrat |
Posted - May 04 2012 : 12:11:41
I've read and reread this thread many times. Seriously.
It was because of Bill's earlier mention of 'difficult/impossible to truck' due to the custom top and arch, that I assumed it would still be the case. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 04 2012 : 10:22:02
It is not truckable because of the custom pipework and hardtop Tony. Because of the way it was built it's really part of the boats structure.
Looking back and hindsight being 20/20 I should have never done the custom hardtop or arch.
Bill |
| Woodsong |
Posted - May 04 2012 : 09:41:08
Scott,
Bill's boat is VERY truckable over land! I sold a 1996 model last year and we shipped it from Chattanooga, TN all the way up to NJ! Don't let that scare you off- ship bigger boats that need more take down all the time.
Bill- praying for warmer days of sunshine and happiness for you my friend. |
| rythmstrat |
Posted - May 04 2012 : 07:39:40
Bill,
Sorry to hear your situation requires this. We love this model, and looked at our first Mainship 40 SB 3 weeks ago, a '94. It sold before we could make an offer.
We haven't met, nor have I been aboard your boat, but I've followed in detail, and enjoyed your posts here on BE. I'm sure it's impressive. If only it were truckable...I'd already be driving down to see it!
Best of luck to you. |
| dominic |
Posted - May 03 2012 : 17:28:38
BIll:
Sorry to see that you have to get out of boating. I'm sure it will only be temporary. Good luck with the sale and with getting things sorted out. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 03 2012 : 17:02:02
Walter I got your e-mail, all good sound advice.
I will answer it soon.
Thanks,
Bill |
| walterv |
Posted - May 03 2012 : 12:15:10
Bill,
sent you an email, let me know you got it.
Regards,
Walter |
| dl2525 |
Posted - May 03 2012 : 09:15:43
Gotcha. Well good luck. Hope all goes well. Sad to see people dropping out of the game.
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| Billylll |
Posted - May 03 2012 : 09:10:34
quote:
Originally posted by dl2525
Getting out totally? Did something major happen?
More then one major event has happened. I won't give the boat away but reasonable offers will be entertained.
If or when I get back into boating I want an older underpowered single diesel trawler in the 30-34 foot range.
Bill |
| dl2525 |
Posted - May 03 2012 : 08:49:56
Getting out totally? Did something major happen? |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 03 2012 : 08:46:52
I have come to the conclusion that under the current economic conditions I can no longer afford boating. This is a sad day for me but that is the reality.
Bill |
| dl2525 |
Posted - May 03 2012 : 08:26:57
Bill!!!!! |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 03 2012 : 08:01:35
The boat is back for sale bring offers.
Bill |
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