| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - Jun 29 2010 : 06:43:33
For 7 yrs now we've the Admiral (Lori) and I have been planning to build our own boat. We chose the TW28 from bateau.com for it's ease of construction. This past weekend we took a 1000 mi road trip from Iroquois ON to Boston MA to pick up the CnC plywood kit for the TW28. We scored an excellent deal from a fella there who abandoned his TW28 project. This is what it looks like before assembly....
And if all goes well over the next 3 yrs or so we'll end up with something that looks like this.....
Standby.... more details to follow....
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| 50 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - Jun 18 2013 : 11:16:56
quote:
Originally posted by pdecat
Would it ultimately be easier to paint the bottom before flipping?
Absolutely. Gravity working for you instead of against.
Probably 2 coats of high build epoxy primer then two of Interprotect 2000e followed by a hard bottom paint. Sides will be done after it's flipped. |
| pdecat |
Posted - Jun 18 2013 : 07:25:58
Would it ultimately be easier to paint the bottom before flipping? |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - Jun 18 2013 : 05:58:35
The GoPro camera has a very wide angle view. I think it's 140 degs if my memory serves me correctly. The wide angle view can distort perspective but it's the closest I can get to a full view of the boat so far.
I get the feeling it's going to look a lot bigger when I flip it over! |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - Jun 17 2013 : 12:31:53
My first attempt at a boat shed video. First time I used my GoPro in the shed. For some reason (operator stupidity) the audio didn't record. I had to caption it later. It sort of worked ok.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQC24t70UrA
I do apologize to those who watch the whole thing. That'll be 6 minutes of your life you wish you had back! ;-)
Standby.... Some GoPro photos coming soon. |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - Jun 15 2013 : 04:03:57
quote:
Originally posted by PascalG
I feel for you... I am sick of sanding! Although it s a lot easier to sand down than up lying on your back, pushing the RO up against the hull, in the dust, dirt etc...
In my case... No more hull sanding, the bottom paint went on yesterday!
Congrats Pascal. That's a milestone for sure. I guess at some point you have to make a judgement call and say 'enough's enough' and put the sanders down. I'll go check your thread.
Thanks for looking in. |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - Jun 15 2013 : 04:02:48
quote:
Originally posted by Pa Mikee
quote:
Originally posted by KnottyBuoyz
Hey! Guess what? More sanding tomorrow!
You'll be sanding forever. Where's the project supervisor? Did he take off on summer vacation or is he laying under the hull doing an inspection?
These days the Project Manager can usually be found on his throne surveying the other parts of his domain.
He was in the shed yesterday looking over the workin's and barking orders. Apparently the kibble dish was empty or some other such emergency that needed my attention! *sigh* |
| PascalG |
Posted - Jun 14 2013 : 20:41:22
I feel for you... I am sick of sanding! Although it s a lot easier to sand down than up lying on your back, pushing the RO up against the hull, in the dust, dirt etc...
In my case... No more hull sanding, the bottom paint went on yesterday! |
| Pa Mikee |
Posted - Jun 14 2013 : 18:18:58
quote:
Originally posted by KnottyBuoyz
Hey! Guess what? More sanding tomorrow!
You'll be sanding forever. Where's the project supervisor? Did he take off on summer vacation or is he laying under the hull doing an inspection? |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - Jun 14 2013 : 17:13:51
I've got RIPPLES!
These showed up after I removed the peelply from the port side we did on Saturday. I've sanded the tops off of them, do I need to go deeper and totally get rid of them? I'm afraid of going too far and sanding away good fiberglass. It looks like the glass is deep and right against the ply from what I can tell. I did aft end on Sunday and when I removed that peelply there was no sign of any ripples. The main difference, other than Jim not being there is the temperature (abt. 5 degs warmer (low 70's)) and no rain so the shed was dryer. The only other thing I can think of is I didn't squeegee enough.
You can see them again on the right hand side of this pic.
I started going down the port side with the sander about 10:00 this morning. Didn't quit till 16:30. My hands were throbbing like crazy.
Nobody's going to do this for me so I had to stick to it. Mostly I was sanding the ripples and feathering the fabric edge along the bottom. Seeing as I ended up having to sand the whole freakin' hull anyways I think I'll forgo the peelply next time.
I got another question. My six inch air RO is my workhorse. I do have a 7" Simoniz variable speed car polisher. I've seen backing pads that'll fit the polisher to make it into a sander. It wouldn't be an RO but a 7 or 8" disc would help speed things along wouldn't it? I don't know if it's worthwhile. The polisher would likely be junk by the time I'm done using it as a sander.
Hey! Guess what? More sanding tomorrow! |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - Jun 11 2013 : 12:56:59
Just remember where you got that sanding block Wayne! I'll need it back sometime!
Wayne caught me actually working on the boat. I sanded for a couple of hours, taking frequent breaks which seemed to help. I pulled the peel ply off Saturday's job on the port side.
Other than a few very minor bubbles the results were much better. Some slumping of the epoxy in places but nothing a light sanding won't fix.
I'll dress up the sides then move back up on the bottom for more sanding and bubble repair. I should be laying out the next layers of fabric sometime next week or the week after. Have to order in more epoxy . This pig is sucking it up like a Barrington Street Hooker on a Saturday night! So far I'm into the outside of the hull for 20 gallons. |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - Jun 11 2013 : 05:18:15
Yeah, you better check your boat. It might be full of water with all this rain. I noticed the river is awfully high right now.
Problem is the boat shed will flood at one end. I ended up with a paint pail floating around in a puddle last week! *sigh*
Bring your waders! |
| carver 2557 |
Posted - Jun 11 2013 : 04:35:21
Save room for Me for One Girlfriend, one Cat and a few bottles of Capt Morgan...Were planning a boat trip in August. Hope the weather is better by then...
never seen so much rain as we are getting lately.. |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - Jun 11 2013 : 04:26:11
quote:
Originally posted by carver 2557
Yup
If these monsoons don't stop I might be flipping the the thing early and using it as an ark! |
| carver 2557 |
Posted - Jun 10 2013 : 18:18:29
Yup |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - Jun 10 2013 : 18:04:58
I'll likely be in the shed sanding Wayne. You know where I am? |
| carver 2557 |
Posted - Jun 10 2013 : 17:56:38
I had Carpel Tunnel in my elbow years ago from repetitive movement with one of my jobs. I would move my right arm over 300 times a day in the same movement. Hurts like hell. Had to have it operated on and its been good since.
You gona be home tomorrow. I gota run to the boat and will stop in if yer gona be home and see about that dura block....
I wana see this tug also. See if it looks any different from the last time.. |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - Jun 10 2013 : 17:51:04
Got a little behind with my posts. Sorry. Saturday my buddy Jim came over to help out with the epoxy work on the stbd side. Jim's a great guy. He built himself a huge Bruce Roberts in steel about 20 years ago. Tide Rider!
Being an ex-school teacher he was fascinated with the entire fiberglass/epoxy process. He'd used a little on Tide Rider but this was on a scale he'd never seen before. I spent quite a bit of time explaining all the ins and outs of the process and he just went to it. About all I could was stand back and watch! :-)
Between tobacco offerings to the Great Peacemaker and lunch etc. we only managed to get about 2/3 rds of the way through the side panel. I laid on the peel ply and let it be. I'd pick it up the next day.
I had some great tips from some very experienced fiberglass guru's on the Interwebs and used their advice. The results are better for this side than the one I did myself. I'll still have a few very minor bubbles to fix and some sanding but I think it's going to be ok.
The whole week I've been having trouble with my hands. Tingling and numbness in my hands when I'm using the sander and when I was rolling out the epoxy. It got so bad it woke me up in the night a few times. Bit the bullet and saw the Quacker today. Sure 'nuff I've got carpal tunnel syndrome. This was confirmed with an electrical test. :-( I don't know how I'm going to deal with this with the amount of sanding etc. I have left on the boat. I'll get some splints for my wrists but I don't know if I'll be able to work much with them on. If it's not one thing it's another. Dammit!
Anyone got experience with this carpal tunnel thing? |
| Flutterby |
Posted - Jun 06 2013 : 02:26:44
Yea. Keep the peanuts out of the epoxy!!! LOL good luck. |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - Jun 04 2013 : 08:26:30
Epoxy & Peanuts huh? Kinda like peanut brittle without the sweetness! :-)
I'm not exactly sure what I'm doing wrong. I laid up the sides yesterday and got a so so result.
Shed was approx. 60 Deg F, Marinepoxy with slow hardener.
Peel ply removed and I have quite a few dry spots that weren't there last night.
I noticed a lot of epoxy bleeding through the peel ply and again this wasn't there last night.
I'm guessing it was too cool and this allowed the epoxy to bleed down through the laminate leaving dry spots. They're worse up near the leading edge. I'd love to use a faster hardener but I don't think I'd have enough time to work it in before it kicks. It would take me about 10 mins to work in a litre of epoxy. I was working on two fronts having started from the middle of the boat working out to the ends. Any ideas? |
| Flutterby |
Posted - Jun 04 2013 : 02:55:34
Munch on peanuts while you work---if you are not allergic. That will keep your blood sugar steady. Not good to let it drop like that! That is why you are so pooped out. Take care, we don't want to lose you....... |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - Jun 03 2013 : 13:54:38
6 1/2 hours
33' 8" of 1808 biaxial fiberglass
3.5 gallons of epoxy
36' of peel ply
Blood sugar down to 4.1 (skipped lunch)
One very pooped ole' fart! 
Still have to standby looking for bubbles etc. especially along the seam near the bottom which I knew was going to be troublesome.
Gotta do it all again tomorrow!  |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 28 2013 : 09:28:54
Time I got Flutters. I don't mind posting to the forums. The blog sometimes contains more or less info depending.
This mornings task was to build a carrier for my vacuum generator.
This will allow me to fix the small bubbles in the laminate. I'll drill two holes into each bubble and apply vacuum to one and pour some epoxy into the other. The vacuum will pull the epoxy through the bubble filling it up. I'll give it a try this afternoon.
Yesterday I hung the glass on the starboard side.
Bow looking aft.
and aft looking forward.
It's a lot tighter on that side of the shed so it's hard to get a good pic. I wish I had another foot on that side. It'd make life a lot easier.
For those of you that may have missed it the URL to our blog is .... http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/ |
| Flutterby |
Posted - May 27 2013 : 00:00:26
Heck, just update your b log and post the link.....no sense duplicating things here. You've got better things to do with your time!!!
Carry on! |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 26 2013 : 15:25:50
Hey Thud
You mean the epoxy runs and dingleberries? Yeah I spent a good few hrs sanding them all off. My own mess and just plain ole' laziness. When I catch them I try to roll them out. Won't have to worry too much about them from now on. I'll be covering the sides with peel ply this time. |
| Thudpucker |
Posted - May 26 2013 : 15:01:09
Uncle & I coated a Cedar Skiff with that stuff when it first came out (to us anyway) back in the 50's.
Seeing you work so hard sanding down those big goobers made me think of our determination to finish that little 12' lifetime of work.
My question is why the big Goobers? Is it something you get stuck with because the Job is so Huge?
I learned about them Goobers quick, about the second time, that I was gonna have to sand them down if I left them?
I got kinda tired of rolling and rolling to get the Goobers out but I did it because I didn't want to sand them down even worster!
And that was just a 12' skiff!
Watching your progress is bringing back some old memories. Boy that's a big job. I wish I lived closer, I'd be over there helping you.
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| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 26 2013 : 13:43:18
Port side fiberglass hung and ready for epoxy. It's 33' 8" long including 4" overlap on each end.
Looking forward
Looking aft
Looking forward from the transom
Gonna be a sticky ole' time in the boat shed tomorrow! :-) |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 24 2013 : 15:09:45
You're welcome Flutters. Stay tuned.
I'm a little pooped so I'm gonna take the easy way out and just tell you I updated our blog today.
http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/05/freakin-brrrrrrrrrr.html
Standby... |
| Flutterby |
Posted - May 24 2013 : 14:19:05
I so enjoy your pictures and narrative! I know absolutely nothing about building a boat, so your detailed explanations are very useful. Thanks so much for sharing this with us!!! |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 23 2013 : 10:16:38
Was working along sanding the edges in prep for the side cloth. It's hard getting rid of the shiny areas the 33 oz fabric leaves such a deep and course texture. A few more hours and it'll be ready.
It was going fine till the monsoons hit. Something caught the corner of my eye and it was a paint bucket floating around in circles under the boat!
Back at it when it dries up a lil' bit.
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| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 22 2013 : 18:01:47
I'd have to say that Peter is a much better conversationalist than the cats who usually hang out with me in the boat shed!
Here's the Lenihan in his native environment. I really think he's missed sanding since completing his own boat. He didn't even bother to change out of his street clothes before he went right to work!
Enamored with my air sander he pointed out all the oversights in my own sanding. Aye, Master I am still but a grasshopper!
30 Second Video Clip
http://s237.photobucket.com/user/KnottyBuoyz/media/KBIII/9F4E9E0D-FE5B-4AD6-A598-81F58E9031D2-2425-000004901BC5605D.mp4.html
I had ordered 25 yds of 1808 biaxial fabric for the sides and transom. Well, as you can likely guess the roll was 1 1/2 yds short so after cutting the two sides off the roll there wasn't enough for the transom. Plan B called for some 22 oz Basalt fabric I had on hand. It looks a lot like carbon fiber but is more like glass. Lighter and stronger and workable just like fiberglass.
Peter was a little unsure of this new material, the dark color doesn't show you when it's wetted out properly. Call in the Peel Ply.
For those of you not familiar with peel ply it's a nylon (or other synthetic fabric) that is laid over top of the fiberglass (Basalt) and squeegeed out. It will reveal areas where more epoxy is required. When cured the fabric is pulled off (peeled) which leaves a sharp textured surface that's ready for painting or whatever without sanding.
So it was a good day in the boat shed. Didn't get all done that I would have liked but it's quality work and there was some good conversation. Doesn't get much better than that! |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 21 2013 : 05:46:05
Spent a good chunk of the weekend with the sanders preparing the sides for glass. We'll be hanging and gluing down the glass on the sides and transom tomorrow.
The heavy fabric leaves such a large hard edge they have to be faired to prevent bridging when the next layers are put down.
This fairing will get a quick sanding before the glass goes on. Hopefully it'll prevent a lot of bubbles in the layup.
The old boat shed will be a flurry of activity tomorrow!  |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 17:31:04
12+ hrs of sanding the last two days. Tomorrow I'll finish that up and prepare to hang the glass on the sides and transom. My buddy Peter is coming on Wednesday to help with the glassathon. You might recall Peter launched his Bolger Windemere last year.
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| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 16 2013 : 15:29:56
Big difference having an extra set of hands mixing the epoxy!!! My buddy Andrew N came over and gave me a hand today. Start to finish took 6 hrs. I was able to spend more time fairing out the tape seams which helped a lot. There's virtually no bubbles in this side.
The differences this time were:
1. Extra hands mixing so I didn't have to sprint up and down the ladder to mix my own
2. Warmer. About 70 degs F which is ideal for this type of work
3. Spent more time on details and was able to bust bubbles as I went
4. Wasn't rushing to get it done before I collapsed
I'll have to check but I think we used the same amount of epoxy. I stuck with the smaller roller this time. It worked fine and allowed me to get those nasty little bubbles as I went. So that's layer 1 on the bottom. I've got 3 more to put on the keel then the 10 oz on the bottom. I'll likely do a little fairing on this layer before I put down the 10 oz. There's also some more carbon fiber to go on the chines.
Shower time! |
| PascalG |
Posted - May 15 2013 : 10:46:09
Well I don't do much boating in areas with rocks but have cruised the NE for a few weeks over the last few years and have come to the conclusion that rocks don't pop up :). They are all well charted, marked, buoyed, etc. so I find it easier to deal with than sandbars, shoals etc which can shift quit a bit
Obviously though, when you find one it will hurt a lot more than mud!! |
| pdecat |
Posted - May 15 2013 : 09:02:08
Nobody intends to hit rocks but if you boat in an area with rocks eventually you will. |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 15 2013 : 07:22:26
quote:
Originally posted by PascalG
I think floating debris will cause damage at the bow near the water line or on the hull, I won't lif it can hit the bottom of the keel. On the plus side, adding a SS plate will also add weight to the keel and help stability..
Exactly. I added a layer of Saertex (quadaxial carbon fiber) on the bow area where we'd likely sustain any damage.
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| PascalG |
Posted - May 15 2013 : 06:53:24
I think floating debris will cause damage at the bow near the water line or on the hull, I won't lif it can hit the bottom of the keel. On the plus side, adding a SS plate will also add weight to the keel and help stability.. |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 15 2013 : 05:52:42
quote:
Originally posted by PascalG
To shoe or not to shoe depends in how and where you re going to use the boat...are you really going to beach a 28' trawler on a rocky beach?
Hey Pascal. Thanks for looking in.
That's true and for us this boat, hopefully, will carry us into your backyard someday. Around here the biggest hazards are floating or nearly floating debris in the St. Lawrence. Stuff like picnic tables, trees & partially submerged docks etc. It's worse in the spring.
We usually keep to the deep water whenever possible. I'm not that adventuresome that I need to know where every little creek or backwater goes. I once beached (unintentionally) our 25 footer. The depth sounder on the transom showed 75 feet of water and the bow was aground. That's the 1000 Islands for ya! :-)
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| PascalG |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 14:00:28
To shoe or not to shoe depends in how and where you re going to use the boat...are you really going to beach a 28' trawler on a rocky beach? |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 13:37:43
I'll have a look to see what I can find Bruce. Thnx.
Here's a pic of today's efforts. Doesn't look like much but there was a good 4 hrs of sanding and wiping to prep the surface for the fiberglass. It'll likely take me another 11 hrs to do this side. Thursday or Friday I'll get to that.
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| pdecat |
Posted - May 13 2013 : 06:55:38
cut2sizemetals dot com
IMO the idea is to prevent impact damage to the FG keel. One piece may be preferred but smaller section should work too. I don't know how thick it should be but go look at scrap dealers and you might find something useful. |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 13 2013 : 05:34:19
This is the SS shoe they put on the TW28 in Australia. It was insisted up by the inspector if I remember correctly.
I'd need a piece of SS about 20' long and 16" wide to fit my keel. Wonder how much that'll cost? Hmmmm? |
| Thudpucker |
Posted - May 12 2013 : 19:36:57
As a kid in Puget Sound area I got my hands on a lottsa 'old wrecks' or direlects.
Most of thse old wooden boats had a keel shoe. That Keel Shoe was normally a long piece of 'half round' steel about an inch wide by half inch thick.
Nothing wrong with that. But the Bolts were often the 'wrong stuff' too few, and too far between.
So many I took off were bent to the side, torn off in front or back and the bolts were barely keeping that shoe in place.
You sometimes cannot help going to the beach.
That's gonna need some repair, so maybe a keel shoe is a wast of time and money up front if your still gonna have to make some serious repairs.
If you did use a shoe under all that Fiberglass etc, make that shoe widen enough to prevent damage to the Glass.
In those early years of mine, which were the late years of wood boats I fixed up some real interesting atrocities.
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| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 12 2013 : 06:54:57
I probably shouldn't have attempted to do this by myself but I did.
11 yds of 33 oz fabric is a bugger to wet out. It took almost 11 hours, 4 1/2 gallons of epoxy, 12 pairs of latex gloves, 2 roller sleeves plus the other expendables. I apologize for the crappy cell phone pic.
I know I was going to have a problem with bridging with this heavy material so I faired out some of obvious spots. Missed a few so I'll have a few voids to deal with. I'll have some prep work to do on the other side before I start that. Mostly runs and some epoxy spills. Not looking forward to it but there's more room to work on that side of the boat so it should be easier. |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 12 2013 : 06:53:33
quote:
Originally posted by pdecat
any thoughts to putting a shoe on that keel?
There's a layer of quadaxial carbon fiber that covers most of the bow and keel. I have thought about adding a keel shoe but not sure exactly which material to use. One that was built in Australia a few years ago used stainless steel but they have reefs & oyster beds to deal with.
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| pdecat |
Posted - May 10 2013 : 11:32:37
any thoughts to putting a shoe on that keel? |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 10 2013 : 10:46:08
Fiberglass as far as the eye can see!
Approx. 10 yds of 33 oz Quadaxial fabric. Should suck up about 3 gallons of epoxy! |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 10 2013 : 04:59:28
Hey Wayne
You can use it if you like. It's 30" long but I have some shorter. You'll have to find the sandpaper for it though. All I have is really course stuff right now.
Stop by anytime.
quote:
Originally posted by carver 2557
quote:
Originally posted by KnottyBuoyz
Hey Thud
I've got the hand powered longboard from Durablock.
Hey Rick: I was actually looking for one of those to finish my truck. How long is it?. U still using it?. U want to sell/rent it out for a couple of days?..
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| Flutterby |
Posted - May 09 2013 : 17:34:39
quote:
Originally posted by adru
I see you are from California, nowhere near the recent fires I hope. What are the summer temps like where your from?
Flutterby here in sunny California. My climate is nothing like Knotty Buoys!!!! Sorry I confused you; I definitely am NOT building a boat; not even a toy boat!
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| carver 2557 |
Posted - May 09 2013 : 06:26:22
quote:
Originally posted by KnottyBuoyz
Hey Thud
I've got the hand powered longboard from Durablock.
Hey Rick: I was actually looking for one of those to finish my truck. How long is it?. U still using it?. U want to sell/rent it out for a couple of days?.. |
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