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| Dani-Lu |
Posted - Apr 14 2012 : 22:02:47
A marina friend is aout to list his 340da. Beautiful, underused boat at a great price without a broker. Loaded with bow thruster. This boat is perfect! If anyone knows of a serious buyer, let me know. |
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| Dani-Lu |
Posted - Apr 29 2012 : 18:51:00
Salt Shaker,
Great news, Congrats.
What is your email address? Or send me an email and I can reply : jeffkilly at gmail dot com |
| jcirrinc |
Posted - Apr 29 2012 : 17:21:15
Thanks Dave. |
| CurrentSea |
Posted - Apr 29 2012 : 16:48:50
Congrats! |
| jcirrinc |
Posted - Apr 29 2012 : 15:16:14
Dani-Lu
I can't seem to get to the 2 PM messages to call your friend. Thought it might be because I don't have an anchor so joined today and still no luck.
Thinking maybe it takes a day or so to update my account. Let your friend know I am interested in seeing his boat and will try to access the PM message info tomorrow and contact him.
My sale is official. Sea trial and survey passed. |
| Robski97 |
Posted - Apr 27 2012 : 22:46:30
Guys,
I deleted some posts & edited one. If anyone has a problem with what I did Private message me.
If something is left that should still go . Private message me or Walter.
I dont delete stuff lightly. Threats will never fly.
Rob |
| Dani-Lu |
Posted - Apr 27 2012 : 17:35:03
Salt Shaker,
I spoke to my neighbor - I wanted to make sure i could give out his number. The marina told him his boat most likely won't be in the water before May 2nd. However, if you want to see his boat on the hard, he can show it this weekend. I will PM you his phone number. I know he is talking to one other guy, but not sure if the guy wants a 340, since he was looking at a 280. But it sounds like the guys wife has bought into the 340 idea, so we all know where that drives our decision. Also, this guy interested in the 340, wants to get a slip at SS3, and it sounds like the 340's slip is paid up for the season, but i am not sure if SS3 allows a transfer.
Good luck selling your boat and buying your next one!
Jeff |
| JohnC |
Posted - Apr 27 2012 : 17:26:43
One thing that I don't think was brought up in the inboard vs I/O debate is how you use the boat. I made the switch from I/Os to inboards 13 years ago and am very happy with the decision. Inboards are easier to maintain, handle better around the dock, and most importantly I like the clear cockpit and transom for fishing and backing up close to a dock without a big gap to protect the drives. However having inboards does make you more cautious and the days of taking friends across the bay with the 'big' boat to go clamming or exploring unknown canals are long over. I resolved that by buying a dinghy that fits on the bow and is perfect for clamming and playing around in the flats. With an I/O you could push your luck a bit knowing you can always trim the drive up, you don't have that option with inboards so you leave yourself plenty of safety margin. The way I use the boat now that's fine, plus I have the dinghy, but for some they may prefer the I/O to keep exploring in the shallower areas of the bay. |
| JVM225 |
Posted - Apr 27 2012 : 16:14:55
I can say with confidence that my twin I/O's are terrible around the dock. That, coupled with the fact that I'm as bad as they are make docking, especially backing in to a slip, a real pain sometimes. It can kill the whole day when things don't go right.
Fortunately I dock alongside the bulkhead at my slip and I can do that pretty easily.
The good thing about the twin I/O's is that once you're away from the dock the thing handles like a sports car and runs like the wind.
I just switched my port drive to a Counter Rotating unit this Spring, (based in large part on the info I got from BC and others that have made the switch) and can't wait to see the difference. I don't expect a whole lot in straight line performance, but backing up should be a little easier. Hopefully the stern won't pull to port so much in reverse anymore causing the bow to swing all the way to starboard.
I think inboards are much easier for docking. I know for a fact that the single inboard I had years ago was a lot easier to dock than what I have now because the bow didn't go all the way over at the slightest turn of the wheel like my current boat does.
Maintenance and storage are a bigger factor with I/O's too. Fortunately I do the oil and water pump myself every year so that saves a bundle. I can also store the drives at a friend's shop every winter so that isn't an issue for me.
I don't do bellows and whatnot myself. I probably could, but since it isn't an annual item I'd rather just pay a pro to do them when its time and have it done right.
In the end:
I think both have their advantages and disadvantages and I probably wouldn't base my decision about buying a boat on which one it was equipped with.
Now outbaords........ those puppies scare me. The replacement cost as compared to an inboard or I/O is nuts. |
| BoatCrazy |
Posted - Apr 27 2012 : 10:07:08
Thanks Dave, you got it.
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| CurrentSea |
Posted - Apr 27 2012 : 09:44:32
"Have a great boating weekend gentlemen and Walter and Rob and Dave and Don......."
Are you saying I am not a Gentlemem?
I resemble that remark!
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| Dani-Lu |
Posted - Apr 27 2012 : 08:47:42
Ok, let's see if we can summarize this thread before my neighbor's boat depreciates any further.
1. i suck at docking I/o's including my first and second boats, but neither were bravo counter rotating. I believe walter too has had his chalenges with i/o's.
2. Some guys are great at docking with i/o's, including many of my friends at my marina, including a 290 amberjack and 38 fountain. There is obviously a science to docking with i/o's that i was never smart enough to learn.
3. If you do all your own maintenance including the removal of the stern drives, i/o's can be economical. But I still question this one, since with inboards there is nothing to remove.
4.For speed and fuel usage, i/o's generally win here too.
5. For many people like me, inboards are easier to dock.
6. My friend's boat is still available.
7. This weekend is not looking great for boating, but rather be sitting on her, instead of the alternative.
8. I better get back to work so i don't have to start a new thread with my boat for sale.
Have a great boating weekend gentlemen and Walter and Rob and Dave and Don....... |
| abalmuth |
Posted - Apr 27 2012 : 07:51:28
Dave
My bad as I was thinking of the I/O’s being turned.
Your correct that if left straight ahead and just using shifters the pivot point will be more forward but not at far forward as inboards in same length boats.
Once you start moving the steering wheel and the I/O’s start trusting to the side the pivot point start to move towards the stern.
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| abalmuth |
Posted - Apr 27 2012 : 07:35:57
quote:
Originally posted by BoatCrazy
.....hell I have a dirtier mind then Walter.
You just lost all creditability, as this is imposable |
| CurrentSea |
Posted - Apr 27 2012 : 07:33:49
" the pivot point is still behind the A$$ of the boat or the transom itself."
Andy,
I don't mean to start another arguement here, but are you sure about this statement?
Perhaps we are talking 2 different things. Pivot Point to me, means where the boat will turn if one engine is put in forward and the other in reverse. My 34' Cruiser Yachts with I/O's this was about 3/4 of the way into my cockpit. For my 40' Regal it seems to me a little more forward.
Not sure how a boat can pivot behind the boat itself!
Respectfully submitted,
Dave
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| BoatCrazy |
Posted - Apr 27 2012 : 07:28:56
Sorry Mike, I am going to disagree with you. Last time I checked, there was nothing funny about trying to help a fellow RO. I can joke all day long, hell I have a dirtier mind then Walter.
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| HOGAN |
Posted - Apr 27 2012 : 07:24:37
BC, you are a bit "overboard" on your response to a very funny post. If you can't take the humor of these guys, then perhaps this isn't the forum for you. There was no personal attack, and no veiled threat of violence (except by you).
Please, sit back, take a deep breath and enjoy the banter. |
| abalmuth |
Posted - Apr 27 2012 : 07:10:22
quote:
Originally posted by BoatCrazy
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Mike, the pivot point varies from boat to boat. Pivot point, doesnt really concern what propulsion you have. Typically the pivot point on a boat is 1/3 distance from the bow to the aft. So the pivot point with a 40ft boat will be completely different then the pivot point on a 30 footer.
I’m going to have to respectfully disagree, as I have no desire to meet you to ‘splan it to me’ 
I think you will find that the basis of each boats pivot point stems from where the props and the prop wash is, as well as the distance apart the prop/wash are.
I/O’s have their props/wash behind the boat and even with the ability to directly (no rudders) change the thrust angle, the pivot point is still behind the A$$ of the boat or the transom itself. Also from my own personal observations, nothing scientific, I/O’s seem to be closer together the most inboards I have seen.
Inboard boats have props/wash under the hull hence moving the pivot point much further to the bow and under the boat. Like an M1, you can turn pivot most Inboards in their own length which is very difficult with I/O’s
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| BoatCrazy |
Posted - Apr 27 2012 : 06:31:31
" While the twin duo-props were easier to operate than the single OD, there was no comparison to twin inboards. The "pivot point" makes all the difference in the world."
Mike, the pivot point varies from boat to boat. Pivot point, doesnt really concern what propulsion you have. Typically the pivot point on a boat is 1/3 distance from the bow to the aft. So the pivot point with a 40ft boat will be completely different then the pivot point on a 30 footer.
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| psalzer |
Posted - Apr 27 2012 : 06:06:31
BC, physical threats add nothing to this forum |
| Dani-Lu |
Posted - Apr 26 2012 : 23:59:39
quote:
Originally posted by Robski97
Jeff,
u got way to much time on ur hands... Thats funny stuff.
Did we totally hose over this thread.
Rob
Rob,
Don't worry aout the thread, no harm at all. I juat got back from a business trip to munich and I found it hysterical the direction this thread went in. Too funny!
My next reply will be to boatcrazy....
Jeff |
| abalmuth |
Posted - Apr 26 2012 : 16:57:12
I found Dani-Lu last post very funny as I saw this as making fun of his post being hijacked & he didn’t get pissed like most would have!
As far as this ‘should have been put it in the classified section'- Yes and no- if it’s a LI boat where better to post the info? |
| jmeirhofer |
Posted - Apr 26 2012 : 16:25:33
Geesh Matt. He was making a joke at the turn his thread took from giving a heads up to his friends boat for sale to the debate of inboards vs. stern drive. Nothing more. I understand your point as well as others points about the drive type. And I found it informative. But I still thought Dani's post was funny as hell. |
| walterv |
Posted - Apr 26 2012 : 14:55:29
Matt (BC),
Chill, no harm or foul here, just funny sh$t. |
| Robski97 |
Posted - Apr 26 2012 : 12:53:40
Jeff,
u got way to much time on ur hands... Thats funny stuff.
Did we totally hose over this thread.
Rob |
| Double D |
Posted - Apr 26 2012 : 11:08:32
What I'd like to know.......are the Bouys in yet ???  |
| Double D |
Posted - Apr 26 2012 : 11:06:16
LMAO............ +1 |
| Dani-Lu |
Posted - Apr 26 2012 : 10:40:49
Ok, so i think we have beaten this one to death. What have we learned from this thread?:
1. Don't try to help a dock neighbor sell his boat, whether inboard or i/o!
2. I/o's suck for docking except for the I/o master.
3. Inboards suck if you hit bottom, an issue for some of us frome time to time (rob?).
4. We all love doing something that sucks, and when not doing it we love talking about something that sucks.
5. In summary, we all like having our things sucked.
6. Next topic, bilge and sump pumps. Which ones suck best? American made, China, |
| Robski97 |
Posted - Apr 26 2012 : 09:03:33
I can tell u I sucked docking my 26 dancer with a single I/O.
As for not needing alittle throttle docking the BIG BOY DIESELS . Ill be the first to say I'm the most impatient person in the world. I'll goose the throttles probably 100% of the time to initate the docking procedure. ( moving the momentum from slightly fwd to reverse. ) Just my way.
To plug a bow thrusters. If u want to make the most of ur boating season , they are a great TOOL to make boating more enjoyable.
Rob |
| BoatCrazy |
Posted - Apr 26 2012 : 07:22:33
Manuverability at speed, would have to go to IOs. Better performance, more speed, and more options on trimming the boat. With IOs you are stuck with trim tabs, with IOs, you have trim tabs (assuming the boat has them), and then you can tilt the drives. If you go newer, then most likely will have duo props which is even better..
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| walterv |
Posted - Apr 26 2012 : 07:12:31
Joe,
I am sure my sucking at docking the 290, was my lack of skill, I only had it one season and all my other boats previously were trailer boats. But with that said, the first season with the 34c, and lack of skill still, the 34c was way easier, just saying. In all fairness though it could also of been that I had a bow thruster on the 34c, not that I used it often, but the piece of mind having it there made me more confident. |
| jcirrinc |
Posted - Apr 25 2012 : 21:38:47
I meant more manuverable at speed. Close quarters I'm sure inboards will be better. I never had any trouble docking the 290 AJ with the twin Bravo IIIs though. The setup on the 290 helps too with independent throttle and transmission controls.
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| BoatCrazy |
Posted - Apr 25 2012 : 19:15:48
"For manueverability, you know, this is really tough as every boat with different power packages handles different. It's all a matter of getting used to it. Plus no 2 boats pivot the same, handle the wind the same, track the same, etc."
EXACTLY!!
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| CurrentSea |
Posted - Apr 25 2012 : 17:18:10
I had a 34' boat with I/O's, so you can go up to 34' with I/O's.
I have seen even bigger with I/O.
My 34' Cruisers was alot faster and more economical than the same boat with inboards.
I met a guy with same boat with inboards.
For manueverability, you know, this is really tough as every boat with different power packages handles different. It's all a matter of getting used to it. Plus no 2 boats pivot the same, handle the wind the same, track the same, etc.
For maintenance, hands down the inboards are way to go. In fact if inboards cost me an extra $1000 in fuel, it's worth it. I/O's are bitch to remove, take off props, paint, drive fluid, etc. Then throw in the potential issue with corrosion and dealing with that if you are in a marina with a issue or have a leaky neighbor!
I like Inboards!
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| Mantle107 |
Posted - Apr 25 2012 : 14:57:45
Seems like there are clearly some advantages to each. I might have to agree and look for the right boat (when the time comes) and, if it's I/O or inboard take it either way. |
| walterv |
Posted - Apr 25 2012 : 14:38:24
I had the 290 Amberjack, duo props counter rotating, I sucked at docking that boat. My 34C Silverton (although a sail in the wind) was much easier to dock and that boat had prop pockets.
Joe,
winterizing with inboards is soooooooooo much easier than an I/O and is far less expensive. Don't sweat the additional draw or not being able to trim the motors up, my Silveton (34C) drew 39 inches and that was no problem in our sandbox. I/O for sure on speed and efficiency. |
| HOGAN |
Posted - Apr 25 2012 : 11:10:22
I have owned single screw outdrives, single outboards, twin duo-props, gas inboards and diesel inboards.
While the twin duo-props were easier to operate than the single OD, there was no comparison to twin inboards. The "pivot point" makes all the difference in the world.
Maintenance on an OD is much higher than on inboards, OD's have much more area to corrode, and you can't check fluid level while boat is in the water. Pulling an OD off every year to surface it is a PIA. |
| abalmuth |
Posted - Apr 25 2012 : 11:09:14
quote:
Originally posted by BoatCrazy
Any twin screw diesel, you shouldnt have to touch the gas......
Plus you can't! ;-) |
| BoatCrazy |
Posted - Apr 25 2012 : 11:06:53
Its fun working with twin I-Os. My little cousin likes the sound of an inboard pushing the water out when docking. You know the sound when you put the boat in gear for a second. So I raise the drives on the searay and it makes the same noise, and it makes his day.
The duo props will help with performance, but will also help you back straight down. Twin I-Os can be handled like inboards or like a single IO. Whatever works best for you is what you should do.
I operate mine like I have twin inboards and people tell me how foolish I am. I dont know, maybe I am foolish.
Just spend a little bit at an empty marina, and youll get the feel for it in no time.
I know you are a seasoned boater, but if you need a hand getting used to IOs, let me know
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| mintregila |
Posted - Apr 25 2012 : 10:44:31
BC, I believe yes and yes. The issue is pivot point. Still getting used to it so admittedly not a lot of practice. Hoping to be out Sat.
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| BoatCrazy |
Posted - Apr 25 2012 : 09:47:44
Any twin screw diesel, you shouldnt have to touch the gas. More torque, bigger prop, more water it pushes.
Mark, are your bravos duo prop and counter rotating?
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| Robski97 |
Posted - Apr 25 2012 : 09:33:21
LOL.... shot over the bow!
Rob |
| mintregila |
Posted - Apr 25 2012 : 09:15:15
I went from gas inboards to diesel inboards and now BIII IOs. Granted, I don't have a lot of time running the current boat yet but so far I agree with Andy. Never touched the wheel with my gas inboards but did need throttle sometimes. Never touched anything but shifters with the diesels. I find myself using the wheel on the IOs as my slip is interior and a little tight for maneuvering. Inboards would be my preference overall.
jcirrinc - Don't sweat the inboard issue. A number of ROs here run the sand box with inboards without issues. You just need to be careful about sticking to the channels and above all, not following a copper hulled Regal named "Current Sea". (Sorry Dave) :)
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| BoatCrazy |
Posted - Apr 25 2012 : 06:17:01
Im going to disagree. My Sundancer with twin alphas, are counter roatating, and have 4 bladed props. It handles EXACTLY like an inboard. I can manuever the boat with the throttles and not once touch the wheel.
I added the 4 bladed props to help grip and push the water for docking and manuevering in close close quarters.
Before anyone asks, yes, I have run boats with inboards before.
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| abalmuth |
Posted - Apr 25 2012 : 05:19:35
quote:
Originally posted by jcirrinc
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All in all I prefer outdrives for the southshore because I can do the work, they perform better, better fuel economy, better speed, more manuverable etc..
I agree with all except the 'more maneuverable'.
Depending on your definition of 'more maneuverable', I think you'll find that most twin inboard powered boats far more maneuverable with less effort than I/O’s.
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| jcirrinc |
Posted - Apr 24 2012 : 20:42:04
Thanks Dave. Looking forward to more cabin room. Gonna miss the 290 AJ it was a great boat.
On the IO vs Inboard discussion I can speak to Bravo III outdrives after 9 seasons on the south shore boating. The annual cost is higher to maintain the outdrives if you're not handy and hire the work out. If you're handy (it's not too hard) you can cut your annual cost from several thousand dollars to a few hundred dollars plus some time and sweat. I never did mind the boat work which amounted to about 3 days spring and fall and $400 in Mercury parts. Got me out of the house and in the Marina.
We're moving up from 29 to 34 and from what I can tell outdrives are few and far between at least for Searay 340s which is what we're looking at.
All in all I prefer outdrives for the southshore because I can do the work, they perform better, better fuel economy, better speed, more manuverable etc.. BUT I'm going to end up with inboards. I'm sure they come with their own annual maintenance needs. Guess I'm gonna get an education on outboards. |
| BoatCrazy |
Posted - Apr 24 2012 : 19:00:49
Pulling, the drives, I can see what needs to be replaced. With inboards, you have straight and v drives. With both, you have to worry about leaky shafts and repacking them. With that, you generally do not take them apart during the winter. You only really mess with them when there is a problem. My above post was about preventative maintenance.
when I pull the drives, I can see the bellows, the intermediaries, I can take the drive apart. What does it cost me? Just my time and parts.
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| Dani-Lu |
Posted - Apr 24 2012 : 17:32:42
quote:
Originally posted by BoatCrazy
My boat is up for sale, and ive heard that question from a few people. What are the costs difference in maintenance? The way I look at is, I rather have something that needs to be maintained, then something that doesnt need to be maintained. I pull the drives off every winter, with an inboard, there is nothing really to pull off. When the drive is off I can see what is needed and I do preventative maintenance.
Much easier and much more cost effective to do preventative maintenance then not.
Forgive me, i am not trying to debate i/o versus inboard, but having trouble making sense of this post. How can not having the extra cost of having to remove i/o's every season and the associated maintenance be better than not having to deal with the additional issues and costs when ownining inboards? Not following the logic - please expand. |
| BoatCrazy |
Posted - Apr 24 2012 : 13:15:30
My boat is up for sale, and ive heard that question from a few people. What are the costs difference in maintenance? The way I look at is, I rather have something that needs to be maintained, then something that doesnt need to be maintained. I pull the drives off every winter, with an inboard, there is nothing really to pull off. When the drive is off I can see what is needed and I do preventative maintenance.
Much easier and much more cost effective to do preventative maintenance then not.
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| Double D |
Posted - Apr 24 2012 : 13:14:46
IMHO....there is almost no maintainance cost to I/B compared to I/O ( unless you touch bottom ). I've had both and perfered the I/B more....for other reasons too. |
| Mantle107 |
Posted - Apr 24 2012 : 12:47:56
Thanks - that's sorta what I am thinking...I'd ideally like the next boat to be 31-35ft with I/O's because of the shallow bottom. I understand about the maintenance. I assume it'll be about double what I pay now for the single I/O. Are the inboards that much less in maintenance costs? |
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