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| walterv |
Posted - May 05 2012 : 19:25:08
I put an 8 foot antenna on the boat with a ratchet mount. I put a jumper in to keep the Rogue in the bridge.
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| Audrey II |
Posted - May 22 2013 : 21:41:58
Yahoo acts like a proxy in this case I'm assuming you were leaving a laptop or computer of some type on in the boat and you would remote into to it and view your camera. In my case I have a traditional DVR system with three cameras that are recording a month plus worth of data any of which I should be able to review remotely at any time but this is just not working out as planned! I just refused to be held hostage by Verizon for $500 this is just wrong and they know it! |
| CurrentSea |
Posted - May 22 2013 : 21:16:09
Not sure if this helps but I used to use yahoo messenger to view a webcam at the boat. Did this during Irene but it worked only until they turned off ac power to the marina. |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 22 2013 : 21:13:04
That's what I said and why I bought it only to learn they don't issue a public IP what you get is a private IP in essence what you are getting is an IP from yet another router so you are being issued an internal IP so any setting you program into the 4G LTE router are useless in terms of port forwarding. Inbound will never get to your router for it to do its job and route. If you need this feature Verizon is happy to provide you a static IP for inbound service and they offer it at the low price of $500, this is a one time fee. I told them to shove it! I was willing to pay a monthly fee for service I could have for free but only if it meant I was getting something for it like the ability to view my cameras remotely. So now I'm back to square one I'm going to try out a Wave setup and at least get internet I will have to come up with another solution as for viewing my cameras. I may have to go with some sort of third party proxy that will maintain a link to my boat that will leave a portal for me to log into. This really is not what I was hoping for and limits my ability to use my cell phone to view which was my primary intent I still haven't worked out the details to accomplish this at all. |
| Robski97 |
Posted - May 22 2013 : 20:58:48
Kurt, I have same issue as Dave . Public wifi masks the IP address.
Rob |
| mixman |
Posted - May 22 2013 : 20:34:49
Why do you need a static IP if the DVR has DDNS service with it? |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 22 2013 : 15:26:42
Well this turned out to be a complete waste of time! I just returned the 4G Router as unless I pay and addition $500 for a static IP it will not work for what I need. |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 22 2013 : 07:22:54
The dynamic IP is not the issue my DVR provides a DDNS service for free the issue is port forwarding, if I'm using someone else WiFi I don't have access to their router to setup port forwarding to my camera system. By installing the 4g I'm using my own router and I can program it as needed. The one I picked up yesterday it defective but works well enough for me to test it out today while I wait for the new one. I will let you know if it works I suspect it will workout great. |
| mixman |
Posted - May 22 2013 : 05:27:58
So you need a dynamic DNS service in order to be able to view your IP cameras while using a dynamic IP address? I have a similar setup at my slip as well as at my house. I use Panasonic cameras that come with such a service. Everything is Wi-Fi based. I'm a HUGE fan of 4G LTE and am using it right now to reply to this. I would think either method of connectivity should work. The issue is the dynamic IP address of both options. You need to somehow enable your cameras to "ping" through so you can access them. That's the issue, right? |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 22 2013 : 00:24:35
I want to be able to log into my camera system to watch and review the cameras on board. I also like to work from my boat from time to time so I need internet that I can count on. The 4g LTE router is a perfect solution unfortunately with my luck the unit I picked up today is defective I spent a couple hours on the phone with tech support and it seems clear the Wifi is bad however the ethernet connections work just fine. I can log into the Wifi but I don't get internet access. |
| mixman |
Posted - May 21 2013 : 17:31:23
Dave,
Would you please specify again what your specific issue is? I'm a HUGE lover of Verizon 4G LTE service from PA to MD to FL. They ALWAYS have coverage with my gear. I also have a Rogue Wave. The unit works, and works well. But public Wi-Fi sucks. You've got a specific IP address need, right? Explain again please. Sometimes I have a moment of clarity :-)
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| Audrey II |
Posted - May 21 2013 : 13:09:29
Bill I just had a nice talk with the 3gstore and they assured me that a MiFi will not allow inbound traffic with paying for a static IP which is a one time fee of $500 it seems I keep running into road blocks no matter what I try it just doesn't seem to work. There must be a solution I just don't know what it is.
I guess it's back to the drawing board.
I just spent an hour and half on the phone with Verizon and it seems the best answer for me would be a 4g lte router.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=phoneFirst&action=viewPhoneDetail&selectedPhoneId=6411&&cmp=KNC-58700000058603100 |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 21 2013 : 07:48:30
Dave check out the 3G Store they have used 3G/4G routers for sale.
http://3gstore.com/
Dave you might want to look at the PepWave Surf it will do 3G/4G cellular with a USB carrier dongle or WiFi as WAN. This might be a device you can review.
http://3gstore.com/product/3498_surf-on-the-go-3g-4g-router.html
A UTube example of solutions.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIYsXm3YW5k
It also has port forwarding many nice features for a few bucks.
Bill |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 21 2013 : 07:15:14
Bill I'm not confusing them I'm trying to decide what would work best for me! I don't use much data while on board in fact I use very little. I have never downloaded TV or a movie nor do I plan to. I simply check my email and read boatered The one thing I want to be able to do is occasionally look at the cameras on my boat it would likely only be a few minutes a month. I don't see how I can do this using a Rogue I would not have access to the host router to enable forwarding. This said it would be nice to have access to free internet while on the boat I'm just not sure I want to spend $450 for free internet and then still pay for Internet on top of this. I have to give some thought to this and decide what makes the most sense. If I could find a somewhat new used MiFi then I could activate it month to month and only pay for it in the summer this would be ideal. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 20 2013 : 08:06:03
Dave, never confuse Cellular data with WiFi data. There have been some serious discusions about this on Panbo. I use a combination of both. When I'm in a marina that has quality WiFi, at anchor I always chose WiFi as my 1st option. When I am cruising, or don't have good WiFi signal I use a CradlePoint CTR35 and a Samsung UML290 on Verizon LTE. When I only have 3G on VZW I'll usually pick WiFi over it for performance unless I am in motion.
It's nice to have options, I wouldn't be able to spend much time on my boat without solid data connectivity.
Both Verizon and AT&T have awesome 4G LTE platforms.
Remoting your boat's network shouldn't be done over public WiFi if that's your primary goal then cellular might be a better choice for you.
When has boating ever been a return on investment?
Bill |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 20 2013 : 07:39:01
I just spoke to a friend that read this thread and he got me thinking. It may be cheaper to simply buy a Verizon MiFi and be done I don't use that much data. It might take me two years to break even with the wave the Pro is over $400 vs. $20 per month for the MiFi The unit is about $70 and I know it will work and do what I need.
With the wave I still would have forwarding issues being I would be working off of someone router or cablevision it is great for free WiFi but it's not really going to overcome the big issue of remoting into my network.
More thought is going to be needed! |
| Robski97 |
Posted - May 20 2013 : 07:17:02
Dave between u and I calling Richard and dropping bills name .... HE may never speak to any of us again .... : )
ROb |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 19:56:30
So it sounds like it has everything I need in the box. I will call in the morning and maybe order it tomorrow. What's another few hundred!
If I speak to Richard I will send him your regards. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 19:49:34
The antenna is about 24" in length it screws directly on the ROGUE Pro, the Pro bolts directly to a marine antenna mount.
I think the Pro is nice it adds strenght and durability to the original ROGUE by encasing the unit. Call the factory in the morning they can provide any additional details. If you get Richard tell him Bill Lentz said hello.
Bill |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 19:26:14
Bill I have seen this but they don't give any details about the antenna that is included such as size/length and what kind of mount? does the mount have a hole in the bottom for the wire or a pass through on the side of the antenna.
I guess the real question is does the pro kit have everything I need in the box? I clearly would prefer the pro for the stainless housing but this may be a complete waste of money what to you think about this should I stick to the Rogue wave or go for the Pro? |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 15:55:44
Directly from the web site Dave
RoguePro Features include:
Rugged, polished Stainless Steel case
800mW (+29dBm) output power
Easy to use web-based Wave WiFi Interface
FREE Online Firmware Upgrades
FREE iMap Global Weather
2.4 GHz - 8.5dB outdoor omni-directional antenna
PoE injector for 110/220VAC or 12VDC operation
25-foot Ethernet cable
Up to 7-mile range from a quality HotSpot
Instructional CD and Quick Start Guide
One year written limited warranty
Optional Shakespeare or Comrod 8dB omni-directional antenna |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 14:46:52
Dave the WavePro comes with the standard 2' antenna and the POE. As far as the router you can pick your own Many people use a standard Netgrear or Linksys. Whatever you do with the router I would highly recommend you think about using an 802.11a/n router if you only plan on using this for data and all your devices support 802.11a/n (5ghz) only.
My rebroadcast AP (router as some call it) is on the 5GHz band it will increase your throughput and reduce self inflicted interference.
Do you plan on using this with VOIP phones, if so then a standard 802.11b&g router will be needed if the VOIP phone is not hardwired into the routers LAN ports.
Bill |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 13:32:16
I think I will stick with Zero cable and go for straight cat with POE module. I just looked up a Rogue Pro seems to run about $450 but I'm not sure if this includes the antenna or POE as a kit. Then I will have to add a router so this is looking like a pricey project! This has been an expensive year. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 11:50:35
What is LMR400? Times Microwave coaxial cable frequently used for extending the distance between a bridge router (like the ROGUE) and the external antenna.
The Belden close realative to LMR400 is 9913.
Bill |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 11:19:43
I will try to look up this part and may place an order today or tomorrow if I can find the time.
What is LMR-400? |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 10:49:24
Dave I almost forgot I have the Ubiquiti Bullet 2HP (the ROGUE foundation) as an access point installed at a marina. It has been fully exposed to the elements for 4 seasons. The unit is actually made to be used outdoors. The most important part is making sure the CAT5 end is weatherproofed. When installing a ROGUE on a vessel I prefer the Aluminum base called the "Bullet mount" it threads onto the CAT5 end of the ROGUE and then threads onto a standard marine mount. The CAT5 cable is run through the Bullet adapter, mount or any extensions. There is little to no chance of the connection failing using this method. If you use the base that comes with the basic ROGUE kit make sure the O ring and the cable rubber gland are installed and you'll have no problems.
You can run up to 20 feet of LMR400 but I like to keep the antenna cable runs to -0- feet (meaning none) or <10 feet.
The math for LMR400 (attenuation/losses) works well for runs to 20 feet should you go this route.
Bill |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 09:13:37
On their site they show the wave being used as the base to the antenna. I would need to mount the antenna to my arch so a 3' run would put me in the arch and a sharp bend into the arch this wouldn't work well if I could run a cat5 into the base this would be best for my application. I may have to call them tomorrow and see what they have to say.
http://www.wavewifi.com/ |
| walterv |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 08:38:16
Dave
I think it's best to keep the rogue away from the elements. My piece of the thick black cable was only 3 feet. Just enough cable to tuck the rogue in a compartment in the bridge. I also don't think it is recommended to use more than 3' of the coax cable. |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 08:06:35
So I'm giving this a lot of thought and I will likely put together an order soon. I have seen a setup were the wave unit is attached to the antenna directly and then all you need to run is the cat5 cable what I'm looking for is this setup with the ability to mount to my existing standard marine mount. I don't want to run the thick RG 8 cable I have plenty of outdoor cat5 in my truck I can use. |
| CurrentSea |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 05:21:17
That flashed repeater died with my boat. I admit rogue is better but for my use the repeater did what I wanted. I need basic Internet to check mail and boatered. But it will be nice to have it all setup with rogue.
Thanks again Bill. Your the best! |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 18 2013 : 20:07:20
Walter I was surprised at the LMR400 that came with the mount you sent me, it was not flexible at all, the cable I replaced it with will never have a problem with damage due to kinking.
I'm glad Dave will finally get to experience good quality WiFi and see the comparison to the flashed repeater router he is currently using.
Bill |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 18 2013 : 20:04:20
It's an 802.3af I have plenty I will be sending Dave what he needs Monday when I return from paradise, my boat.
It feels great to be back on the water!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_over_Ethernet
Here is the POE I have been using with Ubiquiti and Wave products. I have plenty in stock.
http://www.flyteccomputers.com/details.cfm?wid=243&wb=RB/POE
Bill |
| walterv |
Posted - May 18 2013 : 19:43:22
Bill,
First off, thank you so much for what you did, I owe you!!!!, Oh, that cable assembly is so better than what I had. Dave's question about the POE comes from me. POE is pretty standard for phones and CCTV stuff, Is it the same pairs and voltage as the industry standard for POE?
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| Billylll |
Posted - May 18 2013 : 18:30:44
quote:
Originally posted by CurrentSea
Billy,
Sent you a email about rogue. I need to know what Poe to use. Also if I can mount it outdoors or if there is an antenna I can use with it that mounts outside.
Thanks.
Dave I'll remote in and check my e-mail later tonight. The answer to your questions are yes it can be mounted outside, people don't like to do it, I'm not sure why I have had one mounted on another boat at the marina for 3 years and he has had -0- problems, I like using the Bullet mount on the base of the Rogue with the 2' antenna the unit comes with. The entire assembly can be put on a 4 or 8' mast exstension. The POE is a standard 802.3af 12VDC to 24VDC POE. The only cable you need to run into the boat is a CAT5 much easier than trying to run a piece of LMR400. There are many variables for installing the ROGUE or similar devices.
Bill |
| CurrentSea |
Posted - May 18 2013 : 18:18:38
Billy,
Sent you a email about rogue. I need to know what Poe to use. Also if I can mount it outdoors or if there is an antenna I can use with it that mounts outside.
Thanks. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 17 2013 : 10:37:53
quote:
Originally posted by Audrey II
Do they have a model antenna the would mount onto a standard mount? All I can find is rail clamp mounts. If I'm going to install one I want it to look like it belongs on a boat! I would remove the old Cellular antenna so I already have the mount in place.
Dave this is a different subject but I know you have wanted to use IP based cameras for remote monitoring. Have you thought about Cloud based cameras instead? Here are 2 links these specifically deal with using them with Verizon LTE.
http://cloudcam.biz/
http://cloudcam.biz/faq.html
Bill |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 17 2013 : 09:58:10
quote:
Originally posted by Hap-E-Cruzer
when you had them working in Stuart, did they show up as a device on the Mac? or did you just see them through VZ Manager
Hap-E-Cruiser,
I received your PM. Once I get settled in on my boat I will check out my Pantec/ CradlePoint CTR35 to see if I can recommend a setting that might force the unit into GSM (Global) mode. This should happen this weekend.
I have a feeling the Verizon connection manager should have the settings needed to get you connected to the BTC network. It in turn should allow the CradlePoint CTR35 to broadcast it over it's AP to your wife's AOS device.
Bill |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 17 2013 : 09:52:43
Walter your new and improved WiFi antenna cable and mount is on it's way back to your office. It should get there today. I tested the cable for return loss (VSWR) as well as in real life on my shop ROGUE. There are no speed issues or any measurable signal losses with the short LMR400 (UltraFlex) when it WAs tested with my spare ROGUE.
Bill |
| Good Grief |
Posted - May 16 2013 : 06:26:42
Dave -
I got my Rogue and antenna from Defender last season, w/ right mount (and an antenna extender to ensure the antenna was entirely above the arch). I'm right across the the River from you at Cortlandt Yacht Club. email if you want to take a look this weekend. |
| walterv |
Posted - May 15 2013 : 09:10:51
Dave,
If you look at the slide show of my installation in page one here, first post, you will see the antenna I used and yes, standard ratchet mount. I think I bought it from Land and Sea. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 15 2013 : 08:06:46
quote:
Originally posted by Audrey II
quote:
Originally posted by Robski97
Dave ... Email me first at NYC.RR.Com
I have pics of my antenna
Rob
Not sure about this email So I will send it through BE. You've got mail.
Dave I e-mailed you a link to all sorts of marine based WiFi products and the various antennas.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Bill
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| Audrey II |
Posted - May 15 2013 : 07:32:00
quote:
Originally posted by Robski97
Dave ... Email me first at NYC.RR.Com
I have pics of my antenna
Rob
Not sure about this email So I will send it through BE. You've got mail. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 15 2013 : 07:31:26
quote:
Originally posted by Audrey II
Do they have a model antenna the would mount onto a standard mount? All I can find is rail clamp mounts. If I'm going to install one I want it to look like it belongs on a boat! I would remove the old Cellular antenna so I already have the mount in place.
There are numerous WiFi antennas that will mount on a standard marine mount and adapters to convert those antennas that mount directly to larger pipe.
Digital antenna, Shakespeare, the Wilson Comrod series and Digital Yacht are a few popular ones.
Bill |
| Robski97 |
Posted - May 15 2013 : 07:17:49
Dave ... Email me first at NYC.RR.Com
I have pics of my antenna
Rob |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 15 2013 : 07:12:39
Do they have a model antenna the would mount onto a standard mount? All I can find is rail clamp mounts. If I'm going to install one I want it to look like it belongs on a boat! I would remove the old Cellular antenna so I already have the mount in place. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 20:54:48
quote:
Originally posted by Robski97
Bill,
Spoke to Richard. Really nice guy .. He said two things are blocking me . One is the rogue and they are working on a software fix. The other issue is the Optonline wifi. SO in a month there will be a software fix for the Rogue . But he thinks optonline is still going to be the issue.
Rob
Rob, if Richard promised a fix count on it. He is a software engineer and a man of his word. He might be right about your WiFi provider but you can also check with them as well. I guess I'm not fully understanding what you are trying to accomplish. I am pretty opinionated when it comes to video over public WiFi I am against it for many reasons. I am not against it in the home setting where it's not a shared resource.
Bill |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 20:40:32
Walter V, I got your WiFi antenna mount and the damaged/ defective cable assembly today. I can't believe the poor quality of LMR400 they supplied you. You will see the difference between poor quality LMR400 and quality Ultraflex LMR400 by Times Microwave when you get the mount/ cable assemby back from me before this weekend.
Bill |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 20:36:08
Sierra when you say the speeds are reduced can you give examples? Do you know if the marinas AP is N rated or a 802.11b&g access point?
If you could get me the received RSSI from your slip in the marina using the ROGUE's signal strength as I described above that might help me diagnose what is going on.
As a side note load a basic WiFi test tool called Netstumbler and look at the marinas AP through your laptop's air card, saving the file and sending it to me might also help me determine the chipset type of the marina's AP, it's received RSSI through your aircard as well as the SINR and potential airlink speed.
Bill |
| sierra |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 13:46:50
Bill - I'm away from the boat for a time but will continue to troubleshoot and let you know how I make out. For what it's worth, when I left the marina this weekend and put some distance between the boat and my marina's AP, speeds did not improve.
And congrats on your impending splash date. If your kind assistance here -often to complete strangers like me - is any indication of your character (as I gather it is from everyone's posts), you deserve all of the kindness you are receiving. Cheers to the most enjoyable season yet!
quote:
Originally posted by Billylll
quote:
Originally posted by sierra
It's running 7.38. It is unclear where an update, if any, can be downloaded from (and my 'Help' PDF is not opening).
Is there a link you can pass along? Not finding it on the Wave website.
quote:
Originally posted by Billylll
No problem Sierra call anytime. I am always willing to help out fellow boaters. What firmware revision is your ROGUE? Another great person to contact is Richard at Wave WiFi but he is probably going to have you do the troubleshooting steps I am suggesting.
Bill
7.38 is up to date and there are no known connection issues running that revision. I suspect your ROGUE is getting RF overload from being to close to the marina's access point. I have some variable attenuators in my spare parts inventory if you find that this is RF overload. If you place your Windows laptop in Compatibility View Mode (under the tools drop down box) then hover the mouse pointer over the connected AP's signal strength bars (to the right on the ROGUE's connections page) you should get a negative number in -(dbm). If the number is a lower number than -30 to -35(dbm) that would indicate to me that the marina's access point is hammering (over driving) the ROGUE's (Ethernet Radio) causing non-linear operation. This will cause the speed condition described by you.
I could not find a power setting control for the internal router/ inside the vessel AP you listed. I don't believe that is your speed problem.
Bill
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| Audrey II |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 13:34:49
Rob if you are trying to use port 80 you have a problem. I did a job once where the IT guy routed an external port 85 to be forwarded to internal port 80 this worked out well and bypassed the blocked port. Just a thought |
| Robski97 |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 10:58:56
Bill,
Spoke to Richard. Really nice guy .. He said two things are blocking me . One is the rogue and they are working on a software fix. The other issue is the Optonline wifi. SO in a month there will be a software fix for the Rogue . But he thinks optonline is still going to be the issue.
Rob |
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