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| walterv |
Posted - May 05 2012 : 19:25:08
I put an 8 foot antenna on the boat with a ratchet mount. I put a jumper in to keep the Rogue in the bridge.
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| Audrey II |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 19:56:30
So it sounds like it has everything I need in the box. I will call in the morning and maybe order it tomorrow. What's another few hundred!
If I speak to Richard I will send him your regards. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 19:49:34
The antenna is about 24" in length it screws directly on the ROGUE Pro, the Pro bolts directly to a marine antenna mount.
I think the Pro is nice it adds strenght and durability to the original ROGUE by encasing the unit. Call the factory in the morning they can provide any additional details. If you get Richard tell him Bill Lentz said hello.
Bill |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 19:26:14
Bill I have seen this but they don't give any details about the antenna that is included such as size/length and what kind of mount? does the mount have a hole in the bottom for the wire or a pass through on the side of the antenna.
I guess the real question is does the pro kit have everything I need in the box? I clearly would prefer the pro for the stainless housing but this may be a complete waste of money what to you think about this should I stick to the Rogue wave or go for the Pro? |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 15:55:44
Directly from the web site Dave
RoguePro Features include:
Rugged, polished Stainless Steel case
800mW (+29dBm) output power
Easy to use web-based Wave WiFi Interface
FREE Online Firmware Upgrades
FREE iMap Global Weather
2.4 GHz - 8.5dB outdoor omni-directional antenna
PoE injector for 110/220VAC or 12VDC operation
25-foot Ethernet cable
Up to 7-mile range from a quality HotSpot
Instructional CD and Quick Start Guide
One year written limited warranty
Optional Shakespeare or Comrod 8dB omni-directional antenna |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 14:46:52
Dave the WavePro comes with the standard 2' antenna and the POE. As far as the router you can pick your own Many people use a standard Netgrear or Linksys. Whatever you do with the router I would highly recommend you think about using an 802.11a/n router if you only plan on using this for data and all your devices support 802.11a/n (5ghz) only.
My rebroadcast AP (router as some call it) is on the 5GHz band it will increase your throughput and reduce self inflicted interference.
Do you plan on using this with VOIP phones, if so then a standard 802.11b&g router will be needed if the VOIP phone is not hardwired into the routers LAN ports.
Bill |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 13:32:16
I think I will stick with Zero cable and go for straight cat with POE module. I just looked up a Rogue Pro seems to run about $450 but I'm not sure if this includes the antenna or POE as a kit. Then I will have to add a router so this is looking like a pricey project! This has been an expensive year. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 11:50:35
What is LMR400? Times Microwave coaxial cable frequently used for extending the distance between a bridge router (like the ROGUE) and the external antenna.
The Belden close realative to LMR400 is 9913.
Bill |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 11:19:43
I will try to look up this part and may place an order today or tomorrow if I can find the time.
What is LMR-400? |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 10:49:24
Dave I almost forgot I have the Ubiquiti Bullet 2HP (the ROGUE foundation) as an access point installed at a marina. It has been fully exposed to the elements for 4 seasons. The unit is actually made to be used outdoors. The most important part is making sure the CAT5 end is weatherproofed. When installing a ROGUE on a vessel I prefer the Aluminum base called the "Bullet mount" it threads onto the CAT5 end of the ROGUE and then threads onto a standard marine mount. The CAT5 cable is run through the Bullet adapter, mount or any extensions. There is little to no chance of the connection failing using this method. If you use the base that comes with the basic ROGUE kit make sure the O ring and the cable rubber gland are installed and you'll have no problems.
You can run up to 20 feet of LMR400 but I like to keep the antenna cable runs to -0- feet (meaning none) or <10 feet.
The math for LMR400 (attenuation/losses) works well for runs to 20 feet should you go this route.
Bill |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 09:13:37
On their site they show the wave being used as the base to the antenna. I would need to mount the antenna to my arch so a 3' run would put me in the arch and a sharp bend into the arch this wouldn't work well if I could run a cat5 into the base this would be best for my application. I may have to call them tomorrow and see what they have to say.
http://www.wavewifi.com/ |
| walterv |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 08:38:16
Dave
I think it's best to keep the rogue away from the elements. My piece of the thick black cable was only 3 feet. Just enough cable to tuck the rogue in a compartment in the bridge. I also don't think it is recommended to use more than 3' of the coax cable. |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 08:06:35
So I'm giving this a lot of thought and I will likely put together an order soon. I have seen a setup were the wave unit is attached to the antenna directly and then all you need to run is the cat5 cable what I'm looking for is this setup with the ability to mount to my existing standard marine mount. I don't want to run the thick RG 8 cable I have plenty of outdoor cat5 in my truck I can use. |
| CurrentSea |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 05:21:17
That flashed repeater died with my boat. I admit rogue is better but for my use the repeater did what I wanted. I need basic Internet to check mail and boatered. But it will be nice to have it all setup with rogue.
Thanks again Bill. Your the best! |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 18 2013 : 20:07:20
Walter I was surprised at the LMR400 that came with the mount you sent me, it was not flexible at all, the cable I replaced it with will never have a problem with damage due to kinking.
I'm glad Dave will finally get to experience good quality WiFi and see the comparison to the flashed repeater router he is currently using.
Bill |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 18 2013 : 20:04:20
It's an 802.3af I have plenty I will be sending Dave what he needs Monday when I return from paradise, my boat.
It feels great to be back on the water!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_over_Ethernet
Here is the POE I have been using with Ubiquiti and Wave products. I have plenty in stock.
http://www.flyteccomputers.com/details.cfm?wid=243&wb=RB/POE
Bill |
| walterv |
Posted - May 18 2013 : 19:43:22
Bill,
First off, thank you so much for what you did, I owe you!!!!, Oh, that cable assembly is so better than what I had. Dave's question about the POE comes from me. POE is pretty standard for phones and CCTV stuff, Is it the same pairs and voltage as the industry standard for POE?
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| Billylll |
Posted - May 18 2013 : 18:30:44
quote:
Originally posted by CurrentSea
Billy,
Sent you a email about rogue. I need to know what Poe to use. Also if I can mount it outdoors or if there is an antenna I can use with it that mounts outside.
Thanks.
Dave I'll remote in and check my e-mail later tonight. The answer to your questions are yes it can be mounted outside, people don't like to do it, I'm not sure why I have had one mounted on another boat at the marina for 3 years and he has had -0- problems, I like using the Bullet mount on the base of the Rogue with the 2' antenna the unit comes with. The entire assembly can be put on a 4 or 8' mast exstension. The POE is a standard 802.3af 12VDC to 24VDC POE. The only cable you need to run into the boat is a CAT5 much easier than trying to run a piece of LMR400. There are many variables for installing the ROGUE or similar devices.
Bill |
| CurrentSea |
Posted - May 18 2013 : 18:18:38
Billy,
Sent you a email about rogue. I need to know what Poe to use. Also if I can mount it outdoors or if there is an antenna I can use with it that mounts outside.
Thanks. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 17 2013 : 10:37:53
quote:
Originally posted by Audrey II
Do they have a model antenna the would mount onto a standard mount? All I can find is rail clamp mounts. If I'm going to install one I want it to look like it belongs on a boat! I would remove the old Cellular antenna so I already have the mount in place.
Dave this is a different subject but I know you have wanted to use IP based cameras for remote monitoring. Have you thought about Cloud based cameras instead? Here are 2 links these specifically deal with using them with Verizon LTE.
http://cloudcam.biz/
http://cloudcam.biz/faq.html
Bill |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 17 2013 : 09:58:10
quote:
Originally posted by Hap-E-Cruzer
when you had them working in Stuart, did they show up as a device on the Mac? or did you just see them through VZ Manager
Hap-E-Cruiser,
I received your PM. Once I get settled in on my boat I will check out my Pantec/ CradlePoint CTR35 to see if I can recommend a setting that might force the unit into GSM (Global) mode. This should happen this weekend.
I have a feeling the Verizon connection manager should have the settings needed to get you connected to the BTC network. It in turn should allow the CradlePoint CTR35 to broadcast it over it's AP to your wife's AOS device.
Bill |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 17 2013 : 09:52:43
Walter your new and improved WiFi antenna cable and mount is on it's way back to your office. It should get there today. I tested the cable for return loss (VSWR) as well as in real life on my shop ROGUE. There are no speed issues or any measurable signal losses with the short LMR400 (UltraFlex) when it WAs tested with my spare ROGUE.
Bill |
| Good Grief |
Posted - May 16 2013 : 06:26:42
Dave -
I got my Rogue and antenna from Defender last season, w/ right mount (and an antenna extender to ensure the antenna was entirely above the arch). I'm right across the the River from you at Cortlandt Yacht Club. email if you want to take a look this weekend. |
| walterv |
Posted - May 15 2013 : 09:10:51
Dave,
If you look at the slide show of my installation in page one here, first post, you will see the antenna I used and yes, standard ratchet mount. I think I bought it from Land and Sea. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 15 2013 : 08:06:46
quote:
Originally posted by Audrey II
quote:
Originally posted by Robski97
Dave ... Email me first at NYC.RR.Com
I have pics of my antenna
Rob
Not sure about this email So I will send it through BE. You've got mail.
Dave I e-mailed you a link to all sorts of marine based WiFi products and the various antennas.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Bill
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| Audrey II |
Posted - May 15 2013 : 07:32:00
quote:
Originally posted by Robski97
Dave ... Email me first at NYC.RR.Com
I have pics of my antenna
Rob
Not sure about this email So I will send it through BE. You've got mail. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 15 2013 : 07:31:26
quote:
Originally posted by Audrey II
Do they have a model antenna the would mount onto a standard mount? All I can find is rail clamp mounts. If I'm going to install one I want it to look like it belongs on a boat! I would remove the old Cellular antenna so I already have the mount in place.
There are numerous WiFi antennas that will mount on a standard marine mount and adapters to convert those antennas that mount directly to larger pipe.
Digital antenna, Shakespeare, the Wilson Comrod series and Digital Yacht are a few popular ones.
Bill |
| Robski97 |
Posted - May 15 2013 : 07:17:49
Dave ... Email me first at NYC.RR.Com
I have pics of my antenna
Rob |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 15 2013 : 07:12:39
Do they have a model antenna the would mount onto a standard mount? All I can find is rail clamp mounts. If I'm going to install one I want it to look like it belongs on a boat! I would remove the old Cellular antenna so I already have the mount in place. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 20:54:48
quote:
Originally posted by Robski97
Bill,
Spoke to Richard. Really nice guy .. He said two things are blocking me . One is the rogue and they are working on a software fix. The other issue is the Optonline wifi. SO in a month there will be a software fix for the Rogue . But he thinks optonline is still going to be the issue.
Rob
Rob, if Richard promised a fix count on it. He is a software engineer and a man of his word. He might be right about your WiFi provider but you can also check with them as well. I guess I'm not fully understanding what you are trying to accomplish. I am pretty opinionated when it comes to video over public WiFi I am against it for many reasons. I am not against it in the home setting where it's not a shared resource.
Bill |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 20:40:32
Walter V, I got your WiFi antenna mount and the damaged/ defective cable assembly today. I can't believe the poor quality of LMR400 they supplied you. You will see the difference between poor quality LMR400 and quality Ultraflex LMR400 by Times Microwave when you get the mount/ cable assemby back from me before this weekend.
Bill |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 20:36:08
Sierra when you say the speeds are reduced can you give examples? Do you know if the marinas AP is N rated or a 802.11b&g access point?
If you could get me the received RSSI from your slip in the marina using the ROGUE's signal strength as I described above that might help me diagnose what is going on.
As a side note load a basic WiFi test tool called Netstumbler and look at the marinas AP through your laptop's air card, saving the file and sending it to me might also help me determine the chipset type of the marina's AP, it's received RSSI through your aircard as well as the SINR and potential airlink speed.
Bill |
| sierra |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 13:46:50
Bill - I'm away from the boat for a time but will continue to troubleshoot and let you know how I make out. For what it's worth, when I left the marina this weekend and put some distance between the boat and my marina's AP, speeds did not improve.
And congrats on your impending splash date. If your kind assistance here -often to complete strangers like me - is any indication of your character (as I gather it is from everyone's posts), you deserve all of the kindness you are receiving. Cheers to the most enjoyable season yet!
quote:
Originally posted by Billylll
quote:
Originally posted by sierra
It's running 7.38. It is unclear where an update, if any, can be downloaded from (and my 'Help' PDF is not opening).
Is there a link you can pass along? Not finding it on the Wave website.
quote:
Originally posted by Billylll
No problem Sierra call anytime. I am always willing to help out fellow boaters. What firmware revision is your ROGUE? Another great person to contact is Richard at Wave WiFi but he is probably going to have you do the troubleshooting steps I am suggesting.
Bill
7.38 is up to date and there are no known connection issues running that revision. I suspect your ROGUE is getting RF overload from being to close to the marina's access point. I have some variable attenuators in my spare parts inventory if you find that this is RF overload. If you place your Windows laptop in Compatibility View Mode (under the tools drop down box) then hover the mouse pointer over the connected AP's signal strength bars (to the right on the ROGUE's connections page) you should get a negative number in -(dbm). If the number is a lower number than -30 to -35(dbm) that would indicate to me that the marina's access point is hammering (over driving) the ROGUE's (Ethernet Radio) causing non-linear operation. This will cause the speed condition described by you.
I could not find a power setting control for the internal router/ inside the vessel AP you listed. I don't believe that is your speed problem.
Bill
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| Audrey II |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 13:34:49
Rob if you are trying to use port 80 you have a problem. I did a job once where the IT guy routed an external port 85 to be forwarded to internal port 80 this worked out well and bypassed the blocked port. Just a thought |
| Robski97 |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 10:58:56
Bill,
Spoke to Richard. Really nice guy .. He said two things are blocking me . One is the rogue and they are working on a software fix. The other issue is the Optonline wifi. SO in a month there will be a software fix for the Rogue . But he thinks optonline is still going to be the issue.
Rob |
| Robski97 |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 10:04:21
I guess I undersold myself ... Yes the Rogue firewall is off. : )
As for my connection speeds using speedtest they are better then my wired connection at home. DL and UL
Ill post them the next time im at the boat. ( 2 weeks it looks . don't ask )
Rob |
| mixman |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 09:24:37
Only via the Verizon software. I don't think they usually show up in Windows either unless using special software to hack them. |
| Hap-E-Cruzer |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 09:15:20
when you had them working in Stuart, did they show up as a device on the Mac? or did you just see them through VZ Manager |
| mixman |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 09:12:01
Jerry,
As far as I know the only way that modem is going to work in your Mac is via the Verizon software (VZAccess Manager). Are you saying that when you try both modems VZAccess Manager can't see them? We had it working at the dock the other week just fine.
As for the BTC SIM not working in the UML290s, I'm at a loss. That modem has a GSM radio and is fully unlocked for global usage. I would try every setting I could find in VZAccess Manager. I know I left both modems in "Global" mode for you when I configured them. But perhaps they need to be forced into GSM mode. |
| Hap-E-Cruzer |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 08:49:30
Have an unlocked USB Pantech UML290 Verizon Modem. BTC Data Sim. Also a Wilson Amp, Marine antenna, Cradle Point Router. Right now just trying to get the Pantech to work connected directly to the Macbook Pro laptop. Then will connect to the Cradlepoint to create our own hotspot. Kurt had the set up working before we left US, using his Verizon Sim in our modem. I can put the BTC Sim in the iPhone and it works but we are not set up to boost the phone signal. It appears to be a problem with the Mac not seeing the modem. We actually have two of the Pantech modems and have tried both. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 08:30:51
quote:
Originally posted by Hap-E-Cruzer
Hey Kurt,
Have you figured anything out for our cell amp situation. I know Christine finally gave up but she would really like to get it up and running while over here in the Abacos. We won't have much use for it in Florida.
I have never communicated with Billylll but don't know if you have already asked him about ours.
Christine has called about everyone she can but to no avail. Do you think I should contact Billylll for advice. She has resorted to harassing men on the dock for intel. But no results.
Seems we cannot get the Apple computer to recognize the modem, although she got the VZ Manager to see it. She made the changes required for Apple use, still no results.
It appears that the computer does not see the modem as a device. The video you sent shows accessing the actual modem settings so it can be hacked and the computer won't see it as a device.
Having a great time at Bluff House, highly recommend. We have fair WiFi, great before everyone wakes up. Will be here a couple more days......
Thanks for putting up with us
Tell me what is not working and the devices involved I will try and help. It sounds like a Verizon LTE modem and Apple device connection / recognition problem is that the problem? If so I need specifics.
Bill |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 08:20:59
quote:
Originally posted by mixman
Rob,
I'd be curious what sort of performance you're going to get over public Wi-Fi, especially if other people are doing the same thing at the same time. But as to your issue of port blocking, have you tried turning the firewall off on the Rogue Wave (please excuse me if you have and I didn't see the post)?
Rob, Kurt brought up an excellent point. It's easy to turn the firewall off.
Kurt heavy video use is one of the things really killing public WiFi. I have warned this could bring a public AP to it's knees. The good thing is most of the new devices can reduce the RF congestion by switching to the 5ghz band. Wait until 802.11ac comes into play. The problem with 5ghz and boating is there are few good 5ghz access points and there is virtually no out of the box 5ghz bridge routers for marine use.
I have been running a high power 802.11N AP on 5ghz for the last 3 years at my marina. Most of the high speed users use this AP. It's range is limited so it only works in the marina to mostly laptops. I built for my boat a Ubiquiti Rocket M5 bridge router with 2 small Omni's one is vertically polarized the second is horizontal.
I can get 2 miles over the water with rocking speeds using it back to my AP at the marina.
Bill |
| Hap-E-Cruzer |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 08:13:39
Hey Kurt,
Have you figured anything out for our cell amp situation. I know Christine finally gave up but she would really like to get it up and running while over here in the Abacos. We won't have much use for it in Florida.
I have never communicated with Billylll but don't know if you have already asked him about ours.
Christine has called about everyone she can but to no avail. Do you think I should contact Billylll for advice. She has resorted to harassing men on the dock for intel. But no results.
Seems we cannot get the Apple computer to recognize the modem, although she got the VZ Manager to see it. She made the changes required for Apple use, still no results.
It appears that the computer does not see the modem as a device. The video you sent shows accessing the actual modem settings so it can be hacked and the computer won't see it as a device.
Having a great time at Bluff House, highly recommend. We have fair WiFi, great before everyone wakes up. Will be here a couple more days......
Thanks for putting up with us
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| mixman |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 07:52:36
Rob,
I'd be curious what sort of performance you're going to get over public Wi-Fi, especially if other people are doing the same thing at the same time. But as to your issue of port blocking, have you tried turning the firewall off on the Rogue Wave (please excuse me if you have and I didn't see the post)? |
| Robski97 |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 07:15:20
Billy ,
TY for the info will call today. I have the notes on my laptop. But it looks like port 80 and 9010. They ( DVR guys ) remotely ran a program that clearly showed the port was open on the Router.. then they switched screens ran it again and it showed the port closed. way out of my pay scale stuff. So they said it has to be the rogue . They even downloaded the PDF read it and called me back. ( the PDF was useless to them ) Im sure Richard will know exactly what im talking about when I call.
Rob |
| mixman |
Posted - May 13 2013 : 21:52:31
Understood, Bill. I will expand my theory that it's overloaded access points due to bandwidth-crazed users on networks installed by people who have no clue what they're doing. In the meantime, I'm darn happy to be a "grandfathered" Verizon unlimited data user (note: I hit 6 gigs once and 8 gigs one other time in years, otherwise, I'm usually under 2 gigs per month). |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 13 2013 : 20:40:33
quote:
Originally posted by Robski97
Dave,
I spent Friday on the phone with my DVR's support people to try a DDNS connection. IT appears the ports we need opened are blocked within the Rogue itself. I was told by The company I bought the rogue from they do not block any ports. My router ports are clearly open but the Rogue apparently is my issue. I have to call for support now on that. What a pain in the tail... But for its intended use it works great .
Rob
Rob what ports are they saying are blocked?
Bill |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 13 2013 : 19:58:52
Kurt here is the growing problem with public access points ( a location) many are not properly provisioned or upgraded when the time comes. A busy public AP needs to limit the maximum bandwidth to roaming users to 2mbps DL and 1-2mbps UL. This can be accomplished by using numerous VLAN's and setting maximum limits and restricting access on each. As an example lets call the AP Turtle Cay, the connection manager could show Turtle Cay Public WiFi (this would be an example of it's VLAN 1, a second VLAN called Turtle Cay Admirals Club would operate on the same AP and use the same RF resources but it might give 5mbps DL and 5 mbps UL. Those logging in to the Public WiFi Hotspot would be bandwidth limited and those that had the access code for restricted access to the Admirals Club would get a higher quality of service and use a higher bandwidth VLAN. This is easy to accomplish using the correct AP, switch and management software. If one AP is overloaded and multiple VLAN management still doesn't solve the speed issues a second AP (RF layer) should be installed and separated by at least 3 channels again using similar VLAN naming and rules protocols. Using directional sector array antennas on multi-sector WiFi sites should also be seriously considered. There are still options but you will rarely even see my multiple VLAN or 2 access point examples.
Bill |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 13 2013 : 19:52:43
Rob call Richard at Wave/ WiFi GeoSatTechnology at 954-922-9585. He can get you the correct answer tell him Bill Lentz told you to call.
Bill |
| Robski97 |
Posted - May 13 2013 : 09:33:59
Jeff,
We are trying to connect remotely... apparently they don't like to do that ....
Rob |
| mixman |
Posted - May 13 2013 : 08:28:50
My issue isn't connecting to a Wi-Fi access point; it's the piss-poor performance of said points. For example, here's a test via my Rogue Wave connected to an access point at a marina in Key West this morning:
Pathetic, right? The backbone is Comcast Business Class, which I know from experience is very fast (that's what I use at my office). My theory is that public access points are just too overloaded. Below is what I'll use while I'm here via good ol' reliable Verizon 4G LTE. I can tether from my phone or I can pop the SIM card out, put it in a modem (UML290) and stick that in my Cradlepoint router (using the phone is easier as there's good signal here):
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