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| ronbo1 |
Posted - May 25 2012 : 11:35:11
From Tom Neale:
No Discharge Zone Proposed for Nantucket and Vinyard Sounds and Islands:
The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) issued a news release stating that it is considering a proposal to designate coastal waters of Nantucket (41.470353°-70.294803°) and Vineyard Sounds and the islands as a ?no discharge" zone.
Such designation would prohibit discharges into those waters of treated or untreated vessel sewage. Comments on the proposal must be received by May 29.
http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=EPA-R01-OW-2012-0201-0001 . (First District LNM 20)
NOTE: It is already illegal (and has been for many years) to discharge untreated vessel sewage.
The change that this would bring would be to disallow the discharge of treated sewage from boats, including sewage that has been treated as well as or better than that produced by many public treatment facilities.
According to EPA testing, for example, the Electro Scan removes 99.99% of pathogen indicators and reduces nutrients to a level so low that it is meaningless.
Many boats must be able to use onboard devices because of their operating characteristics. Once EPA declares a NDZ there is no procedure to reverse that designation, regardless of the lack of availability of working pump out stations and development of superior technology in onboard treatment systems.
See BoatUS Magazine article http://www.boatus.com/magazine/2012/april/TakingCareOfBusiness.asp ) |
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| seahawk215 |
Posted - May 27 2012 : 21:09:23
The level of treatment is what is superior in the output of the majority of municipal waste treatment plants. The constant monitoring of effluent.
However I don’t think that justifies the outlawing of Type I and Type II MSD equipment, as I stated before that is a lot better that dumping raw sewage. I am not against limiting some areas as to where they can be used as like in land bound lakes that also serve as drinking water supplies.
The creek my boat is in has been closed to swimming for decades because the plant (where the pump-outs go) doesn't work well enough.
I would really hate to see that happen here.
If you are really bored you can read all about wastewater treatment here. And all the drinking water standards are in the FAC also.
http://www.dep.state.fl.us/water/wastewater/dom/docs/62-640_3-30-98.pdf
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| mixman |
Posted - May 27 2012 : 20:08:35
quote:
Originally posted by seahawk215
quote:
Originally posted by Billylll
I am a bit tired when our type 1 systems are 99.99 percent better then Water treatment plants and they just look past the logic in allowing their use or even an improved product.
When the EPA says NDZ the general public thinks that "us/we" boater's dump raw untreated waste!
Bill
Not even close to being correct. Type one systems just grind up everything, disinfect it and dump it if working correctly.
No solids handling, filtering, or treatment such as phosphate, nitrate removal as wastewater treatment plants do.
However type 1 systems are a lot better than raw sewage being dumped.
Randy,
Perhaps the plant you work at, and other plants in Florida, are better than the plants we have here in MD. The ones here are better known for discharging raw sewage rather than treated. The creek my boat is in has been closed to swimming for decades because the plant (where the pump-outs go) doesn't work well enough.
Considering what you do for a living, would you be so kind as to educate me as to what is superior in the output of the majority of municipal waste treatment plants that justifies the outlawing of Type I and Type II MSD equipment? |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 27 2012 : 19:59:02
Randy, none and no more NDZ's for boaters enough is enough when it comes to coastal tidal waters and the EPA with continuing this silly program. A good day in government is one where they make no more laws (in my opinion).
Bill |
| seahawk215 |
Posted - May 27 2012 : 19:56:07
quote:
Originally posted by Billylll
Now tell the truth the current administration has no proposed changes for Waste water treatment plants the last changes were done under the previous administration. Man that should buy the POTUS some union votes.
http://cfpub.epa.gov/npdes/regs.cfm?program_id=13
What rule would you like Proposed? |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 27 2012 : 19:53:51
quote:
Originally posted by mixman
From what I've read, once an area is an NDZ, it is ALWAYS and NDZ. It does not matter that NDZ designation does nothing and makes no sense.
You are correct Kurt once the government makes a mistake they increase the size and scope of the mistake.
There are NO provisions to challenge or reverse a final NDZ ruling.
In my boat I have no way of discharging untreated waste. I only have the PuraSan and a holding tank with the Hold-N-Treat system. The only other way I can empty the tank is with a pumpout boat or facility which there are very few in my area even though it's a NDZ.
Bill |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 27 2012 : 19:51:26
I'm glad I'm not a dairy farmer!
Bill |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 27 2012 : 19:50:01
quote:
Originally posted by mixman
Randy,
Can you read this and still be anti Type I and II MSD equipment?
http://www.soundingsonline.com/boat-shop/sea-savvy/256892-ndz-or-msd-keeping-waters-clean
And for some of your nitrate treatment and such, don't you utilize "dilution"?
Kurt now your going to ruin the fun with silly facts!
Bill |
| seahawk215 |
Posted - May 27 2012 : 19:48:51
Read my post again. I am not anti Type I and II MSD equipment. I have an eletra san in my 315 commander.
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| Billylll |
Posted - May 27 2012 : 19:45:05
Now tell the truth the current administration has no proposed changes for Waste water treatment plants the last changes were done under the previous administration. Man that should buy the POTUS some union votes.
http://cfpub.epa.gov/npdes/regs.cfm?program_id=13 |
| mixman |
Posted - May 27 2012 : 19:41:41
Randy,
Can you read this and still be anti Type I and II MSD equipment?
http://www.soundingsonline.com/boat-shop/sea-savvy/256892-ndz-or-msd-keeping-waters-clean
And for some of your nitrate treatment and such, don't you utilize "dilution"? |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 27 2012 : 19:40:18
quote:
Originally posted by seahawk215
Hey thanks for the compliment. I didn’t realize I was always right until now.
I really don’t think there is a hit list but the EPA does enforce that water and wastewater plants are in compliance. I have dealt with my fair share of EPA inspectors over the last 30 years and find that most of them are very reasonable and just doing the job they were hired to do.
Good thing I am an (Florida class A license Water Treatment Plant Operator) also then isn’t it?
I am quite aware of your profession Randy. Yes the EPA inspectors are just following their politically motivated orders.
I have a question how many chambers are in a PuraSan type 1 Raritan marine treatment system?
Bill |
| seahawk215 |
Posted - May 27 2012 : 19:35:25
Hey thanks for the compliment. I didn’t realize I was always right until now.
I really don’t think there is a hit list but the EPA does enforce that water and wastewater plants are in compliance. I have dealt with my fair share of EPA inspectors over the last 30 years and find that most of them are very reasonable and just doing the job they were hired to do.
Good thing I am an (Florida class A license Water Treatment Plant Operator) also then isn’t it?
Actuality the EPA is why I have a job. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 27 2012 : 19:10:54
Yeah I forgot your always right Randy, my mistake. But you should be careful if it were up to the EPA you wouldn't have a job either because wastewater treatment plants are also on their hit list but they pretty much ignore what they can not control.
Like storms that overload wastewater treatment plants and untreated excess ends up in the nearest body of water or aquifier.
One beach full of young kids for a single day probably produces more body waste then all the non commercial vessels discharging properly treated waste water for a month.
Bill |
| seahawk215 |
Posted - May 27 2012 : 18:52:46
quote:
Originally posted by Billylll
I am a bit tired when our type 1 systems are 99.99 percent better then Water treatment plants and they just look past the logic in allowing their use or even an improved product.
When the EPA says NDZ the general public thinks that "us/we" boater's dump raw untreated waste!
Bill
Not even close to being correct. Type one systems just grind up everything, disinfect it and dump it if working correctly.
No solids handling, filtering, or treatment such as phosphate, nitrate removal as wastewater treatment plants do.
However type 1 systems are a lot better than raw sewage being dumped.
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| mixman |
Posted - May 27 2012 : 15:44:50
From what I've read, once an area is an NDZ, it is ALWAYS and NDZ. It does not matter that NDZ designation does nothing and makes no sense. |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 26 2012 : 22:00:05
When is the last time a notice from the EPA was sent out saying they were rescinding anything?
The only notices the EPA sends are bad news.
Bill |
| mixman |
Posted - May 26 2012 : 21:12:47
NDZ is bull**** (no pun intended). |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 26 2012 : 06:52:04
I am a bit tired when our type 1 systems are 99.99 percent better then Water treatment plants and they just look past the logic in allowing their use or even an improved product.
When the EPA says NDZ the general public thinks that "us/we" boater's dump raw untreated waste!
Bill |
| Sandy |
Posted - May 25 2012 : 21:17:54
Will the birds and fish have to wear diaper? Gov. answer...."Depenz". |
| Billylll |
Posted - May 25 2012 : 12:10:28
If the EPA had their way boaters wouldn't be able to f*rt in an NDZ.
Bill |
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