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| slacktide |
Posted - May 16 2012 : 21:06:27
Wayne going to the town again Tuesday .... 400 condos and parking garage ... Some day he's going to get his way :(
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| Audrey II |
Posted - Jun 22 2012 : 05:18:07
Don't worry Rommer will do the same:)
I filled up last weekend and I was happy to see the price had dropped the day before I got there I think it was $4.19 a gallon less the discount not too bad I still spent over $1200. |
| rommer |
Posted - Jun 22 2012 : 05:15:47
Always been .10 for as long as I can remember Ben.
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| BenDiss |
Posted - Jun 21 2012 : 22:48:19
Noticed Haverstraw's discount is now $0.10/gal. Last year it was $0.05/gal. |
| Audrey II |
Posted - Jun 21 2012 : 20:17:15
John I can't afford to buy it but if you do I promise to buy diesel from you assuming you offer a BE discount:) |
| rommer |
Posted - Jun 21 2012 : 20:03:57
We should all buy it and lower the fuel prices Ken. |
| pocket change |
Posted - Jun 21 2012 : 19:50:20
Don't know if anyone noticed but Panco has a For Sale sign on his yard. The yard between the road and the river. Maybe he has the waterfront condo fever or maybe he hopes Wayne buys it. Pretty soon we will have a plethora of luxury waterfront condos. Can't wait, can you? |
| Audrey II |
Posted - Jun 20 2012 : 17:07:21
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Originally posted by Sweetness
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Originally posted by Audrey II
Mike there is a slip right behind me with you name on it:)
Nice Hijack Dave...
Hey, by the way...do you have enough water in Haverstraw Marina? LOL...
Are you in the water yet? Last time I drove thru you were still on land what's up with that? The way I hear it you better get used to storing in the water. At least it will help you get an early start:) |
| king5899 |
Posted - Jun 20 2012 : 16:56:54
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Originally posted by Audrey II
I have a SPBM reunion all the time there are 6 D dockers on my my dock alone and one one C docker on the dock near me. It's the same faces with deep water.
Mike I agree it may be time for another get together I think you missed the last one. You are welcome to join us and raft up sometime.
One of these weekends I'll join your raft up in bowline. My CO detectors lost power so I only have a portable. I'll wait till their back online to Join you.
MJK |
| Sweetness |
Posted - Jun 20 2012 : 12:43:41
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Originally posted by Audrey II
Mike there is a slip right behind me with you name on it:)
Nice Hijack Dave...
Hey, by the way...do you have enough water in Haverstraw Marina? LOL... |
| Audrey II |
Posted - Jun 20 2012 : 07:14:49
I have a SPBM reunion all the time there are 6 D dockers on my my dock alone and one one C docker on the dock near me. It's the same faces with deep water.
Mike I agree it may be time for another get together I think you missed the last one. You are welcome to join us and raft up sometime. |
| king5899 |
Posted - Jun 19 2012 : 23:08:48
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Originally posted by Anchor Management
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Originally posted by king5899
Someday maybe. For now I'm pretty happy.
MJK
Somebody told me that you moved. I guess this is not true?
Nope still there. I'm now between Lou (Dutchess) and John Marx. We had my wifes freind move in behind us. It is definitely quiter, but that's a good thing. I'm loving the outside slip with the piling in the middle. Came in Sunday with a pretty stiff wind and no major problem getting in, except for a little rubbin.
We'll have to have a SPBM reunion someday. Dave will hand out Haverstraw business cards.
MJK |
| Audrey II |
Posted - Jun 19 2012 : 20:06:22
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Originally posted by HOGAN
Dave must be getting a commission from Haverstraw...
Just remember to use my name when you come a knocking:) Which I bet will be sooner then later! 17' at low tide!!!!! I haven't so much as looked at a tide chart since I got here. I do get a discount for referrals but the truth is I want to be surrounded by people I know and like, it's simply more fun this way! |
| Anchor Management |
Posted - Jun 19 2012 : 19:53:20
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Originally posted by king5899
Someday maybe. For now I'm pretty happy.
MJK
Somebody told me that you moved. I guess this is not true? |
| winters remedy |
Posted - Jun 19 2012 : 19:36:05
Yup |
| HOGAN |
Posted - Jun 19 2012 : 19:30:27
Dave must be getting a commission from Haverstraw... |
| king5899 |
Posted - Jun 19 2012 : 19:26:36
Someday maybe. For now I'm pretty happy.
MJK
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| Audrey II |
Posted - Jun 19 2012 : 18:09:03
Mike there is a slip right behind me with you name on it:) |
| king5899 |
Posted - Jun 19 2012 : 17:27:52
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Originally posted by Anchor Management
The demise of the Haverstraw condos was directly related to the crash in the economy which was an unfortunate circumstance that nobody saw coming. After that, higher priced condos with high taxes never had a shot of selling. From what I read into these articles these will be much less expensive and by the way will be contributing in taxes to a much smaller town which will have a greater overall effect.
Plus Ginsburg being an A-hole sure didn't help. |
| Anchor Management |
Posted - Jun 19 2012 : 13:17:46
The demise of the Haverstraw condos was directly related to the crash in the economy which was an unfortunate circumstance that nobody saw coming. After that, higher priced condos with high taxes never had a shot of selling. From what I read into these articles these will be much less expensive and by the way will be contributing in taxes to a much smaller town which will have a greater overall effect. |
| rommer |
Posted - Jun 19 2012 : 08:53:29
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Originally posted by Audrey II
I think this will happen and will probably be good for the area!
The Haverstraw condo's have really helped revitalized that area, just saying. |
| Audrey II |
Posted - Jun 19 2012 : 08:15:00
I just read the article and there is no big surprises there, I think this will happen and will probably be good for the area! Patsy Bay will be booming with business just don't (Mike just remember I still want my winter spot).
What did surprise me was on the side of this article was a heading something like Rocklands newest Millionaires I watched it only to see that someone I went to High School with won 5 million dollars playing Lotto, good for her! |
| rommer |
Posted - Jun 19 2012 : 07:30:51
Interesting comment.
Corts said. “We are not going to be keeping the boats on land for the winter. ... We’re leaving the boats on the water for the winter.” Can anyone envision derelict liveaboards???
125 slips vs the 400 they have now. Sounds like a much smaller marina with no winter storage. Then again he's been steadily losing that part of his business anyway.
http://www.lohud.com/article/20120526/NEWS03/305260072/Stony-Point-marina-owner-proposes-riverfront-homes-restaurants |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 30 2012 : 06:40:25
"Sometimes at dead low tide the boat is on the bottom and I'm not going anywhere."
That's why I had to leave! This said not all water front condos have deep water slips Piermont has very little water as well. If I had a water front home I would actually want a smaller affordable boat to tool around on I would need a big boat to sleep on to be on or near the water. Although the Haverstraw condos have deeper water I not sure how large a boat they can handle either. I know the is a member of Haverstraw marina who lives in those condos and still keeps his large boat at the marina.
I think this could work and I believe Wayne will pull it off. He already has a partner in place to build a nice place. I guess we will have to wait and see.
BTW I think Patsy Bay is going to really benefit from this! a bunch of people are going to move and winter storage is in question being the parking lot will no longer accommodate winter storage. Mike Remember I still want my spot for the Winter:) Best of luck I hope this works out well for you! |
| pocket change |
Posted - May 29 2012 : 20:22:09
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Originally posted by rommer
But you only draw 12 inches Ken!!!! 
That's with the drive up. It's 30 inches with the drive down. I keep it up in the slip. Sometimes at dead low tide the boat is on the bottom and I'm not going anywhere. |
| rommer |
Posted - May 29 2012 : 19:27:19
But you only draw 12 inches Ken!!!!
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| pocket change |
Posted - May 29 2012 : 17:04:37
Unlike some of you I don't have a problem with low water. If I come in at dead low I go into an empty slip at the end of "G" dock rather than churn through the mud. I live 1 mile away so I can come down later when the water is in and go in my slip. I think I'll have empty slips all summer to use. |
| Anchor Management |
Posted - May 29 2012 : 16:35:24
Smart decision. I doubt there will be any immediate need to move. These things take time. |
| pocket change |
Posted - May 29 2012 : 16:06:18
Several years ago they were going to build condos on Letchworth Village property. The builder had to sell half of them pre-construction to get bank financing which would have been about 70. After one year he only sold about 20. No go said the bank. They refunded the 20 deposits and removed the sales office trailer. I don't think the economy is any better now. I, for one am paying a deposit this fall for my slip next year. It will be there. |
| Anchor Management |
Posted - May 29 2012 : 14:12:32
You guys are making the wrong argument. It's not a matter of can this place be successful and why Wayne should not build to this plan. It appears that decision has already been made. There are closer condos to the tracks then these would be. Trust, me, I know because I bought one when I first got married because that is what I could afford. The question is if he can get approvals from the town and yes, he already has a partner. If aproved, time will tell whether it was a smart business decision or not. |
| rommer |
Posted - May 29 2012 : 09:33:41
Aren't the property taxes in SP going/already sky high due to the issues with the power plants?
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| Robyns Nest |
Posted - May 29 2012 : 09:30:07
The bay is too shallow to really support a waterfront like Torches up north. You would have to dredge every few years to maintain it, the cost is just too high.
The nicer waterfront homes on the Rockland side are south of Hook Mountain where the trains run more inland.
The condos will shake rattle and roll when the sales lady is making her pitch to new prospective buyers and it will turn people off.
You have to wonder if the DEC will jump in and look for some soil remediation on the site as well. The property in places has to be loaded with copper, oils and who knows what else.
Down in Tarrytown the waterfront projects have slowed and the ones over at Haverstraw can be rented for a fraction of what they thought they would be worth. Many people lost a lot of money of the condos over there and I think that will have an impact on any project in Stony Point.
It is not easy to get bank financing for a project like this if there isn't a hope for 100% sell out very quickly. I wonder who he is taking in as a partner on this deal. Someone has to pony up some big dollars to make any bank comfortable with a project like this.
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| BenDiss |
Posted - May 29 2012 : 09:10:04
Keep in mind, all Wayne needs is the zoning change and he makes money
. He could build condos or just sell the land to a develper. |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 29 2012 : 08:01:15
I think you are being wishful in believing the project will be stalled I think he has been waiting for years for this and now he will jump on it and frankly I think he will do well if he builds it right they will sell and many here will be looking for a new home for their boats. Don't love the idea of the tracks but there are plenty of expensive homes along the water front. I may even consider buying one if the price is right. I would also like to see a couple of decent new restaurants nearby that could be reach by boat. The town needs the income and this is a good way to bring it in. |
| wciparchia |
Posted - May 29 2012 : 07:30:58
Ken, you are 100% right, however he is going to have to put a few $$$ into the marina if he wants to keep the boats that he has now. The only thing that is keeping a lot of the larger boats there are the people around them. I do know however, there are quite a few including myself that are talking about a change next season if we don't see a change in the way the marina is operated. A marina is somewhere we go, we go for the friends. |
| pocket change |
Posted - May 26 2012 : 17:53:21
I don't think anything is going to happen in this economy. Look at all the other projects on or off the river that are stalled or never started. I don't think there is a huge unmet need for these condos. All the marinas have empty slips, not just SPBM. In 1996 when I got my slip SPBM had a long waiting list. Gene threw someone out and I got the slip because I am a Stony Point resident. Back then Miniceongo Yacht club had a ten year wait. Now there has been a sign at the gate advertising slips for several years. Wayne isn't going to build condos until he knows he can sell them. If he gets a zone change it will increase the value of the property. I think we will all have our boat slips for years to come. |
| Anchor Management |
Posted - May 26 2012 : 13:25:31
The restaurants that would go in as proposed would not be on a barge but rather real waterfront restaurants owned and operated privately. I would imagine the entire 30 acres would be completely redeveloped. I think the proposal has a lot of potential to be something special for the entire area and the place as we know it gone. |
| marsij |
Posted - May 26 2012 : 09:22:00
I have not seen the kitchen since then so I don't know what the renovation was or what new equipment they put in there....which would have had to be everything to make it feasable! How did Wayne change the agreement? I do not know Wayne, don't think I have ever even met him, but over the years I have heard many negative stories of him & he seems to be widely disliked by pretty much everyone I know who do know him. Must suck to have so many enemies. Crappy way to live life I would think. |
| rommer |
Posted - May 26 2012 : 09:12:31
The kitchen was completely "redone" after Gene left Judy. That's the guy that almost made a decent living at that place. Of course as soon as the traffic started to come, Wayne changed the agreement and made it impossible for the guy to continue there.
I just read a recent Boating On the Hudson magazine and was not surprised to see that SPBM was no longer advertising. I guess they must be full this year?
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| marsij |
Posted - May 26 2012 : 08:36:13
Most of the "restaurants" previously in that location were hardly restaurants, more like snack bars. I never went to the most recent one but heard loads of people say the service was often awful & wait time very long even during slow periods. Good food/service, reasonable prices & the great location are going to bring people in even in a sluggish economy. When Gene was at SPBM we toyed with the idea of me opening that restaurant, but the amount of work & expense to bring that place up to a standard where you can make quality food was more than I cared to get involed with. Ever see that kitchen??? |
| rommer |
Posted - May 25 2012 : 18:19:15
Good answer Mike! So true.
There was one guy that almost made it work but then Wayne screwed him over, which is what he tends to do to anyone who partners with him, and the chief/operator moved up to Middletown.
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| HOGAN |
Posted - May 25 2012 : 17:54:09
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Originally posted by rommer
How many restaurants have failed at that location in the past 5-10 years?
All of them. |
| rommer |
Posted - May 25 2012 : 16:29:55
How many restaurants have failed at that location in the past 5-10 years?
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| marsij |
Posted - May 25 2012 : 15:41:29
Does indeed huh John? Maybe he feels it is a "compromise" since only a handful of units would surely attract families with school age children. New yacht club/marina & restaurants nice & if they really can bring in revenue with minimal/no increase in school costs, I would consider that a viable compromise although I know many who would not & are opposed to mass building..period! I would rather not see all that housing there personally but it is what it is. I guess Finn feels he would be covering all bases with this project.
Guess we'll just have to see where it goes. All I know is I am damn excited to be going home to Jersey soon!! |
| rommer |
Posted - May 25 2012 : 13:25:20
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Originally posted by marsij
We have a new town government. We elected them because they agree with what most of us in town want. Ratables without ever growing housing.
OOPS!!!
From Ben's post it looks like someone was lying to you all.
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| BenDiss |
Posted - May 25 2012 : 11:01:52
Sounds like the town supervisor is supportive.
http://www.rocklandtimes.com/2012/05/24/marina-presentation-made-in-stony-point/
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Architects, planners and engineers from Wayne Cortz’s marina in Stony Point were on hand at Tuesday’s Stony Point Town Board meeting
David Zigler of Atzl, Scatassa & Zigler P.C. and Tim Miller of Tim Miller Associates presented to the board. The current plan is to build approximately 300 condo units over a span of 30 acres of waterfront property. Miller said it is a “proposed two-phase” project, which will require some zone changes to be made by the board, if they are interested.
Of the 300 units, 79 are proposed as one bedroom, 191 as two bedroom and only 30 as three bedroom. Supervisor Geoff Finn said he liked this because the town had to be cognizant of school district costs that would come along with attracting families with kids, those being the most likely to purchase three bedroom homes.
Finn also said he expected a lot of “snowbirds” to be attracted to the location. Snowbirds are people who live six months in Florida and six months in New York.
Some highlights of the project would include a waterfront walkway and esplanade that would be accessible to the greater community, food kiosks, a new yacht club and marina, and two brand new restaurants.
Miller noted that the plan accounts for new stormwater drainage requirements implemented after the state realized that stormy weather is probably here to stay. He said the development is in very preliminary stages and at least 18 to 30 months away from a possible groundbreaking.
The project will be implemented in two phases if it goes forward, the first phase bringing in 162 units of housing and the second phase 138. Miller described the condos as “beautiful, residential” and “a destination type” of project.
Supervisor Finn was eager to point out that the condos would only be three stories high, not five as Haverstraw Harbors are. He said the Haverstraw Harbors are “a monstrosity” compared to what Stony Point envisions these condos to be.
Some residents were worried about losing their view of the Hudson, which the planners said should not be the case.
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| Anchor Management |
Posted - May 23 2012 : 20:23:07
You know what they say, if this boats a rockin, don't come a knockin. ( for at least 30 seconds). |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 23 2012 : 18:46:45
I have been meaning to speak to you about this I think you are creating a wake from your boat rocking so much:), |
| Anchor Management |
Posted - May 23 2012 : 13:53:08
I did not see anywhere that it was approved or was even discussed. Still waiting for someone to enlighten us. BTW, Dont buy the unit below mine if you want to get any sleep. You know how I like to party all night. :) |
| Audrey II |
Posted - May 23 2012 : 10:12:30
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Originally posted by wciparchia
Condo's here we come
So it was approved?
WOW I may have to see it I can prepurchase and save a few dollars! |
| wciparchia |
Posted - May 23 2012 : 08:56:56
Condo's here we come |
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