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| PascalG |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 15:54:03
don't know the story behind the pictures... a friend of mine saw a large SR aground at the Devil's Backbone in Eleuthera a couple of months ago, but i dont' know if it's that boat...
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| Capt. Bill1 |
Posted - Aug 09 2008 : 11:04:19
At that point you are traversing the "Backbone" with the beach on one side of you and the reef on the other. So you maybe right, they hit the reef and then washed up on to the beach. |
| missnmountains |
Posted - Aug 08 2008 : 23:30:22
Capt. Bill There are some other pics going around regarding this. I saw some on another site. The boat must have hit something off the beach. The picture I saw showed the boat sinking quite a ways off shore. The next showed it in the surf. I suspect it hit something and got washed ashore. |
| Capt. Bill1 |
Posted - Aug 08 2008 : 14:48:02
"Do you REALLY need an experienced pilot to show you the way? How about "stay away from the beach!"
There are two common ways to end up on the beach at the backbone. One is to have a swell lift you up and set you there. And the other is to hit a coral head/patch reef, become disabled and drift on to the beach.
The passage through the reef at one point takes you about 75 - 100 feet off the beach at best. So if there is a big swell running on to the beach it can catch a boat and lift it up and set it on the beach or in the breakers.
My guess is they hit something then ended up difting onto the beach. |
| Capt. Bill1 |
Posted - Aug 08 2008 : 12:25:32
There isn't a doubt in my mind that the pictures are real. But it's interesting that they let it go up on the beach and then tear it apart. Boats go aground or hit something there a fair amount and they take them to Spanishwells to be fixed or parted out. |
| Robski97 |
Posted - Aug 08 2008 : 12:19:03
How long before ROMMER makes LES lock this topic ?
LEts see.....
Rob |
| Flutterby |
Posted - Aug 08 2008 : 11:45:31
Bob every year you become more experienced and are building on what you learn. Good for you!!!!!
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| blouderback |
Posted - Aug 08 2008 : 10:24:59
Wonderful trip, thanks. The circumnavigation went well without any issues whatsoever. I was nervous as all get out, but it was no worse than crusing the lake on a windy, busy day. |
| In the know |
Posted - Aug 07 2008 : 14:03:44
quote:
Originally posted by abalmuth
It’s definitely a SeaRay 48 sedan, depending on the year built, it has (had) Cat 3196’s or Cummins QMS'
Definitely had the Cummins. Can't you see those Cat's smiling in the pictures? |
| Msibley |
Posted - Aug 07 2008 : 14:01:26
BOB! nice to see you..you've been dormant for awhile.
Great pics, huh, Bob? That could be you in a few years if you play your cards right. You can always tell how good a pilot is by the number of dents in the leading edge of the wing...
Did you have a good trip?
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| blouderback |
Posted - Aug 07 2008 : 13:42:46
quote:
Originally posted by PascalG
apparently the owner had never been thru before and didnt' want to pay a pilot to show him the way...
Do you REALLY need an experienced pilot to show you the way? How about "stay away from the beach!" |
| Robski97 |
Posted - Aug 07 2008 : 11:30:03
Pascal,
So ur buddy is saying he saw the boat get demo'd ... and the pics are completely legit ?
Rob |
| mixman |
Posted - Aug 06 2008 : 22:13:14
quote:
Originally posted by PascalG
here are 2 more pictures, these 2 were taken by a friend of mine... they drained the fuel in drums (first pic.)
Then I have to take back my first comment. They DID drain the fluids (at least the ones that were easy to get out and were worth some money!).
I'd put a dollar or two on these pics being legit. I've seen wrecks in the Abacos that hadn't been touched because they weren't near anything. This one must be at a resort, so they wanted it gone.
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| PascalG |
Posted - Aug 06 2008 : 21:09:46
well, it is the Devil's Backbone, by Spanish Wells, Eleuthera...
here are 2 more pictures, these 2 were taken by a friend of mine... they drained the fuel in drums (first pic.)
apparently the owner had never been thru before and didnt' want to pay a pilot to show him the way...
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| PascalG |
Posted - Aug 06 2008 : 14:27:18
these pictures came off the internet... they were posted on the Maxum owners site... origin unknown like many such things. |
| Robski97 |
Posted - Aug 06 2008 : 13:50:16
Im not saying wreck removal doesnt happen. Im just saying Id think there would be more STUFF blowing around... The water has no debris... nothing.... thats all im saying ... its too clean... Think about it ..
Rob |
| L. Keith |
Posted - Aug 06 2008 : 12:27:57
I have not doubt that the photos are real, wreck removal happens. |
| Robski97 |
Posted - Aug 06 2008 : 12:12:51
The pics do look fishy... NOt really a debris field around all that destruction... no oil... no insulation blowing around.... Ever have a dog tear up a pillow ?? It looks like he ate mattress .. Theres no debris... Im not sold this is legit...
Rob |
| Pale Ale |
Posted - Aug 06 2008 : 10:58:20
Yep, definitely a Sea Ray 480. I emailed it to to my slip neighbor and asked how his Bahama trip was going.... haven't heard back from him ;) |
| L. Keith |
Posted - Aug 06 2008 : 10:54:12
"if this had been in the US, you'd have local cops, local DNRs, EPA, USCG, sheriffs, and TV crews! plus 1/2 mile of yellow booms..."
The local law is who is sitting in the beach chairs under the umbrellas. The TV crew stopped by and left, the EPA is in a tele-conference with the associate director, the DNR guys are at nearby cafe on break, the USCG has a Falcon Jet at 30,000 feet monitoring the site and a chopper that flys by twice a day to video tape the scene, boom is no good in surf, if Bahamas should you not see some coral mixed with that pure white sand. Where did the photo's come from?
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| Sandy K. |
Posted - Aug 06 2008 : 10:38:19
Saw them remove a 27 Sea Ray bowrider from the surf in Pt. Pleasant NJ the same way earlier this summer. Gas tank was the last part to go into the dumpster and the smell of fuel was evident all over the beach..... |
| SLW |
Posted - Aug 06 2008 : 08:17:51
I was kidding Andy! I was just slamming the media for rarely, or never, getting story details correct and for tending to exaggerate the value of distressed boats.
That was in fact a late-2001 or newer SeaRay 480DB (based on the black SR emblem on the bridge). The engine choices were Cat 3196's and Cummins QSM-11's, but it's not entirely based upon year, as the choices overlapped until the 3196 was dropped. |
| SteelClipper57 |
Posted - Aug 06 2008 : 08:02:31
That boat was stripped the night after being washed up. In the second picture, you can see two guys at the helm checking things out.
The salvage company pumped the fuel out of the boat before the "clean-up." Once the boat starts filling with sand you either let it get burried, or you're rippin' and tearin'.
Happens all the time. |
| abalmuth |
Posted - Aug 06 2008 : 07:58:29
It’s definitely a SeaRay 48 sedan, depending on the year built, it has (had) Cat 3196’s or Cummins QMS' |
| RWS |
Posted - Aug 06 2008 : 07:37:27
oh the humanity..... the humanity...... |
| missnmountains |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 22:32:54
There were a couple of photos of this on another forum over the July 4th holiday. Just the sinking. They also said the Bahamas. The salvage must have taken place quite a time after the holiday. |
| SLW |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 22:32:14
Good point! ...and the news would be reporting "a $2,000,000 42 ft Carver, stranded on the beach...." |
| PascalG |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 22:16:43
if this had been in the US, you'd have local cops, local DNRs, EPA, USCG, sheriffs, and TV crews! plus 1/2 mile of yellow booms... |
| L. Keith |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 21:25:06
The only thing that makes me question if the photos are the Bahamas is, that's pretty nice heavy equipment for the out Islands. Those Cat excavators have articulated thumbs on the booms. That's not a normal construction add-on, but something you see on machines set up for debris removal. To see two identical machines set up like that, plus the dual axle dump truck (in good condition) doesn't look like a typical out Island scene. No visible sheen on the water makes me think the fuel/oil has been removed prior to the heavy work. Pan handle of Florida maybe? |
| November Charlie |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 21:07:47
Now THAT is a hard ungrounding!
I'd also echo Pascal and Les' point - once the beach breaks start coming over the side, it's game over. You know how when you're standing in the surf on the beach, your feet bury into the sand with each wave? Yeah...That whole thing, plus the impressive amount of sand each wave dumps in the boat. The water itself on the supposed-to-be-dry side of the hull doesn't contribute any positive benefit, either.
Swamped and adrift has hope. Beached and broken upon has zip for post-casualty value, but plenty enough liability to get the underwriter's attention. Brings to mind the mind the SAR joke (based in firm reality, I assure you), that when notified that a boat was responding to a report of a vessel taking on water, the response was "How much fuel did they have on board?" |
| SteveG |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 21:06:48
Oh that hurts to see! |
| douglee25 |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 21:02:48
I'm just curious because the one thing that struck me odd was the fact that you have heavy excavating equipment in the sand and I don't see them sunk into the sand at all. Weird?
Doug |
| PascalG |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 20:59:10
i don't know.. I dont' think so, if it is the kudos to whoever did it! too many details to be photoshopped...
i dont' even know if that was in the bahamas... i wondered about about the backbone because a friend mentioned a SR aground there but it may not be there. |
| douglee25 |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 20:50:59
Are you sure that's not photoshopped?
Doug |
| Capt. Bill1 |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 20:44:09
Is that a Searay?
And the beach looks wrong to be the Backbone. Where you would end up on the beach like that at the Backbone you wouldn't find tourist with beach chairs and unbrellas.
"I am surprised that the Bahamians allowed that. The potential for pollution is great."
You're joking right? I mean we are talking about the Bahamas where with the right amount of cash to spread around you can pretty much screw up the enviroment any way you like. Much like Florida now that I thing about it. |
| Ocean Spray |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 19:56:02
Picture two shows a couple of Sea Monkeys picken thru all the good stuff. What a shame, looked like a nice boat, but I guess thats one wa out of your loan! |
| Les Hall |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 19:41:03
Pascal is right - once a boat is in the surf, it is going to be full of sand. Not worth much for salvage - no salvaged value. I am surprised that the Bahamians allowed that. The potential for pollution is great. And notice the difference between photo 1 and 2. The radar dome is gone and other stuff is missing. Somebody picked her clean before the "removal."
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| Ghost |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 18:47:04
That's just plain heartbreaking. |
| dominic |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 18:42:23
quote:
Originally posted by RWS
Well I guess that ends the who wins ....... Cat over Cummins arguments!
RWS
Many of the SR 480DBs came through with 3196 CAT motors....this could be more of the herd eating it's young.... |
| Flutterby |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 18:38:40
At least it couldn't be resold without identifying it as salvage!
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| RWS |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 18:33:42
Well I guess that ends the who wins ....... Cat over Cummins arguments!
RWS |
| dominic |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 17:31:22
Notice that at least a few thousand $$$$ in electronics were removed before the total break-up....antennas, satellites, etc...they're probably already on ebay... |
| rduhon |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 17:27:32
I wonder how much they want for the swim platform??? |
| Tanqueray |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 17:06:06
I'll be back later....I gotta go throw-up. |
| Msibley |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 17:00:19
Bahama version of the Dan Ryan Expressway (Chicago) at 0200 hrs.
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| mixman |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 16:55:29
Being in the Bahamas, I'm sure they pumped all the nasty fluids out before they "salvaged" it....NOT!
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| L. Keith |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 16:55:07
The proper phrase is "wreck removal", Underwriter pays a total loss to owner, then gets wreck removed (and continuing liability) removed at lowest cost possible. Judging from the beach chair set-up, the wreck must have ended up in front of a resort. I'm surprised the locals had not stripped more of it. |
| In the know |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 16:52:33
I told you that you should have opted for Caterpillar power over the Cummins!! |
| MichaelNJ |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 16:42:45
WHAT? I can't believe that. When I saw the first picture of the back hoe, I thought: What are they going to do? Dig trenches so the water can come in and float it back out?
I find it hard to believe that they couldn't lift that with a crane and fix it. |
| PascalG |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 16:32:20
well, once the boat is buried in the sand and flooded, there is really very little to salvage... engines, etc.. are beyond salvage, so besides the hardtop, some parts, hatches, etc... there is nothing to save and the cost of disassebling probably exceed the value of the parts... |
| littlebookworm |
Posted - Aug 05 2008 : 16:29:43
What an unbelievable waste of a beautiful boat! I'd love to know the story behind this "salvage", or was that "savage" operation> |
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