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| PascalG |
Posted - Mar 02 2010 : 16:08:35
I am amazed to see how many boaters leave their power cords dip in the water. Power, sail, small, medium, big, captain operated yachts... no pattern, around here about 30 to 40% have their cords dip in the water.
it's big no no in my book, but maybe i am a little too picky?
How do you feel about it: |
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| seahawk215 |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 19:14:07
Actually water and electricity do mix. If the water is salty enough it will make Sodium Hypochlorite. I am trying to keep the barnacles off the hull by having the cord in the canal. |
| HOGAN |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 18:53:06
quote:
Originally posted by jamikito
That's the dumbest statement I have ever heard in any boating forum
You really don't get around much, do you? |
| JLC |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 18:52:52
[quote]Originally posted by JLC
whoops double post ...sawry |
| JLC |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 18:52:01
quote:
Originally posted by walterv
4 pages, you got to be SM!!!
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| JLC |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 18:50:02
This thread is "Forum Gold"
Believe me, I own 2 forums and this is why people come back. |
| walterv |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 17:27:21
To have any kind of defense on why electric cords should be in the water is insane. Those that defend that, all I can say is the the square block will never fit in the round hole :)
4 pages, you got to be SM!!!
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| jamikito |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 16:31:43
quote:
Originally posted by HOGAN
quote:
Originally posted by jamikito
Anyone with any common sense knows electricity and water don't mix, the poll in itself is nonsense, and the comments resulting from it, well, they speak for themselves.
Perhaps "common sense" tells you that, but the physical laws of this world tell us that pure water does NOT conduct electricity, it is the minerals and/or contaminants in the water that conduct electricity.
This is true, if you are in a labratory doing an experiment. Is your boat in a labratory? That's the dumbest statement I have ever heard in any boating forum, obviously meant to just disagree. Show me where anyone is boating in pure water. |
| Starry Night |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 15:48:38
My shore cord come with me when I leave the dock. This way no on can touch it or dangle in the water.
Mike, I did that on my mattress.. I recieved a call from the mattress police the next day. |
| HOGAN |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 15:25:49
quote:
Originally posted by KiDa
quote:
Originally posted by HOGAN
My shore power cords came with a big tag that said, "Do Not Remove This Tag".
I immediately removed it...
Like living on the edge huh?
What can I say? I'm just a nut!
(I also removed the tags from my mattress that warned not to remove them under penalty of law) |
| PeteMrrs |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 15:12:52
Les; Can we begin a new forum called "Just Power Chords" |
| KiDa |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 15:04:23
quote:
Originally posted by HOGAN
My shore power cords came with a big tag that said, "Do Not Remove This Tag".
I immediately removed it...
Like living on the edge huh? |
| HOGAN |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 14:40:43
quote:
Originally posted by jamikito
Anyone with any common sense knows electricity and water don't mix, the poll in itself is nonsense, and the comments resulting from it, well, they speak for themselves.
Perhaps "common sense" tells you that, but the physical laws of this world tell us that pure water does NOT conduct electricity, it is the minerals and/or contaminants in the water that conduct electricity. |
| jamikito |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 14:31:31
quote:
Originally posted by jamikito
In every marina there is a busy body looking around to criticize others. Unplugging someones boat can get expensive if there is perishable food on board.
PascalG, why don't you go repair the problems on your own boat, instead of wasting your time starting bs threads like this one. Man, get a life.
My statement was not an acusation the Pascal unplugged anyone. It's a statement of fact, inserted into a reply. If you want to massage it into anything more, as many comments on this forum are, go for it.
Anyone with any common sense knows electricity and water don't mix, the poll in itself is nonsense, and the comments resulting from it, well, they speak for themselves.
I have never been in a good marina where self appointed dock captains or what ever they call themselves is worth a damn. |
| psalzer |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 07:19:49
Amazing how this thread has become like the old party trick .... where you tell one person something and then they tell another etc .. until it gets back to the first and is unrecognizable. Pascal never said he unplugged anything, but has been accused at least twice!!! Have patience .. spring is coming!!! |
| JLC |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 07:05:14
So we have people that do not like "regular" cords going to a boat. If its such a crime then why are there 110v outlets on the docks? I will tell you why, its so you can run something you may need like a drill ...... on the dock or in your boat.
So if some guy (who may not have a factory shore power setup) wants to run a 110v cord to his boat to sand something or drill something down below, he is breaking the dock police's law?
I can imagine drilling something in our sail boat and then having someone unplug my cord, I appear at the hatch and say to the dude that just unplugged the cord..."Hi, could you plug me back in please?" Then he goes into a 500 word rant about how he is justified in unplugging the cord, and that he is willing to stand there all day to insure the safety of the marina.
I would then promptly call the police and state that he repeatedly offered me BJ's for $20.00 even after I insisted I could get them elsewhere for $18.95 by a female and for $13.88 from a shemale.
I don't believe in violence you see..... if I pushed him off the dock he could get electrocuted from my brown lamp cord that runs my Sea Ray 30amp shore power. |
| circaburns1 |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 06:29:48
quote:
Originally posted by PascalG
. I would most likely have done what Pascal did under the exact same circumstances
hey wait a minute... I never unplugged or even suggested unplugging anyone!!!
Sorry my mistake. Now corrected. |
| PascalG |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 06:10:05
. I would most likely have done what Pascal did under the exact same circumstances
hey wait a minute... I never unplugged or even suggested unplugging anyone!!! |
| HOGAN |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 06:08:28
My shore power cords came with a big tag that said, "Do Not Remove This Tag".
I immediately removed it... |
| circaburns1 |
Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 05:47:48
quote:
Originally posted by rommer
quote:
Originally posted by JohnC
BTW, I had my ice eater out today and I have a hard time believing the insulation on the wire for it is any thicker than the insulation on my 50amp shorepower cord.
John
I'd even venture to say it's thinner.
I believe it is not a issue on thickness but grade of plastic and internal construction. |
| rommer |
Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 23:25:14
quote:
Originally posted by JohnC
BTW, I had my ice eater out today and I have a hard time believing the insulation on the wire for it is any thicker than the insulation on my 50amp shorepower cord.
John
I'd even venture to say it's thinner. |
| JohnC |
Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 23:21:03
quote:
Admittedly in the past I have left a loop in the water along the bulkhead to compensate for the tides. Obviously, consensus or not, this is not the best solution. I haven't seen them but are there some kind of cord reels that will feed and uptake the slack?
Jeff, I do the same, depending on the tide part of my shorepower cord sometimes dips into the water. Personally I'd be more concerned about a cord reel automatically adjusting for slack failing and end up putting pressure on the outlet connection and causing a bigger problem than having a small amount of it in the water.
For those asking why anyone would ever have their shorepower cord in the water, that's your answer. With a fixed dock and a reasonably large tide swing depending on the location of the shorepower connection on shore and the power inlet on the boat it can be difficult in my experience to adjust the shorepower cord so that it never touches the water while at the same time eliminating the possibility of there being tension on the cord during all tide cycles.
BTW, I had my ice eater out today and I have a hard time believing the insulation on the wire for it is any thicker than the insulation on my 50amp shorepower cord.
John |
| circaburns1 |
Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 21:52:37
OK so the thread has taken a few twists. Consensus appears to be overwhelmingly in agreement it is unsafe and irresponsible to let your shore power cord dangle in the water. It is a major safety issue affecting not only the user but those around them. Electrocution is not something to be made light of.
As for unplugging someone else's cord that's a no-no unless I believe it is a distinct safety issue that is unlikely to be remedied in the short term. I would most likely have done what Ocean Spray did under the exact same circumstances on the proviso I was strongly of the opinion my zinc's were being attacked by stray current from this particular boat - but for the reason there is something wrong with this power cord that allows stray current into the water - the danger signs are already there. And then it should be the marina management's responsibility to investigate and remedy the problem and the onus goes back on them. |
| stmbtwle |
Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 18:23:01
I love it!!! |
| JLC |
Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 18:01:05
Necessity is the mother of invention!!!
Ronco & I proudly present; The floating shore power cord!!!
I called Billy Mays on this but he was laying down his wife said, so I ended up with Ron Popiel.
I offered him 50% of the take for the floating cord idea and he was delighted.
We have videos with me saying " Why store that 50' shore power cord on deck where people can trip all over it? Just plug it in and throw it all overboard it floats!!! Always handy always out of your way"
It doubles as a life line and is UL & Coast Guard approved for towing. You can even water ski with it. Or you can attach this water proof light to the end and inspect the bottom of your boat, or just walk around the bottom looking for that nut you dropped last year. |
| rommer |
Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 17:53:32
quote:
Originally posted by jeff_c
Sooo...now that (almost) everyone agrees that a shore power cord is basically designed to go from an appropriate outlet directly to the boat without dangling in the water
Ahhh yes, just like the "scientific consensus" that proves the global warming myth.
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| jeff_c |
Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 16:33:47
Sooo...now that (almost) everyone agrees that a shore power cord is basically designed to go from an appropriate outlet directly to the boat without dangling in the water, what creative solution can I use to run shorepower from my boat on a floating dock that experiences anywhere from 3-5' (sometimes more) of tide to an outlet that is fixed on a pole way above any potential water line?
Admittedly in the past I have left a loop in the water along the bulkhead to compensate for the tides. Obviously, consensus or not, this is not the best solution. I haven't seen them but are there some kind of cord reels that will feed and uptake the slack?
TIA
Jeff
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| JLC |
Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 16:15:05
My old man has an old sail boat. Its 32ft long, and he pays $4500 a summer for a slip that includes power, water & cable TV.
He does not have a TV, he uses my hose to fill his water tank, his boat WAS NEVER wired for shore power, its rigged for 12V lights, water pump, the head is a manual flush, he uses an ice box with real ice, no refrig, hes been sailing for 80 years non stop.
So if he takes an orange cord from his car and plugs it into the 110 GFI, strings it over his bow rail to run a fan on night...are the dock police going to unplug him whiles he's sleeping?
Do we really have the right to police other people?
If the hose someone is running to their boat's house water is green instead of an approved white drinking water type, should we run and shut off the water, then unscrew the hose and let it dangle?
Is the next thing I'm going to hear from "Ocean Spray" is that the shore power cord was seen twice dipping in the water so he unplugged it and then cut the end off?
To many chiefs and not enough Indians at someones marina I think.
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| littlebookworm |
Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 15:00:24
You know; you're right; I'm wrong. I have no right to unplug anyone else's power cord. Thinking about what was said here hit me on the head just like Dinozo gets hit by Gibbs on NCIS! I stand corrected. I promise not to touch another's power cord unless someone's life is in danger. I will, however, report such an incident to the marina's staff. It's their responsibility to deal with it. In addition, if I happen to see the owner of the offending cord, I will suggest that it not be left dangling and might even help that person secure it properly. I aslo am amazed at how long this thread has become. I guess this topic is really important to many people on the site. Hy |
| In the know |
Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 11:17:43
quote:
Originally posted by Ocean Spray
See what happens when I go out on the boat for the weekend, all hell breaks loose! OK for some of your concerns from page one, about me un-plugging the boat 2 slips from me, yes I did un-plug the dam thing. It was a derilict boat, the owner abandoned the boat and the cord was in the water eating up my zincs. After un-plugging it, I did tell the dock master about it and he said it was ok to do so because the boat was being removed in a few weeks. So thats my story and I'm sticken to it. I think I had every right to un-plud an un-safe boat that is causing harm to other property, and if you dock your boat next to mine and I see something wrong that is affecting my boat or my safety, bet your bottom dollar I will do something about it, and ask questions later. Take it up with management!
How did you know the boat was abandoned? For all you knew, the owner paid his slip fee just like you did.
How did you know it was eating your Zincs?
You, as the self procliamed mayor of your own dock, had no right to unplug anothers boat. |
| KiDa |
Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 11:14:19
quote:
Originally posted by jamikito
quote:
Originally posted by Ocean Spray
See what happens when I go out on the boat for the weekend, all hell breaks loose! OK for some of your concerns from page one, about me un-plugging the boat 2 slips from me, yes I did un-plug the dam thing. It was a derilict boat, the owner abandoned the boat and the cord was in the water eating up my zincs. After un-plugging it, I did tell the dock master about it and he said it was ok to do so because the boat was being removed in a few weeks. So thats my story and I'm sticken to it. I think I had every right to un-plud an un-safe boat that is causing harm to other property, and if you dock your boat next to mine and I see something wrong that is affecting my boat or my safety, bet your bottom dollar I will do something about it, and ask questions later. Take it up with management!
How do you know it was that boat eating up your zincs? While you are busy bragging about doing something to someone elses boat, remember if it gets damaged as a result of what you did, you bought it buddy.
It's the responsibility of the management to address such a situation not yours.
DNFTT |
| jamikito |
Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 11:07:14
quote:
Originally posted by Ocean Spray
See what happens when I go out on the boat for the weekend, all hell breaks loose! OK for some of your concerns from page one, about me un-plugging the boat 2 slips from me, yes I did un-plug the dam thing. It was a derilict boat, the owner abandoned the boat and the cord was in the water eating up my zincs. After un-plugging it, I did tell the dock master about it and he said it was ok to do so because the boat was being removed in a few weeks. So thats my story and I'm sticken to it. I think I had every right to un-plud an un-safe boat that is causing harm to other property, and if you dock your boat next to mine and I see something wrong that is affecting my boat or my safety, bet your bottom dollar I will do something about it, and ask questions later. Take it up with management!
How do you know it was that boat eating up your zincs? While you are busy bragging about doing something to someone elses boat, remember if it gets damaged as a result of what you did, you bought it buddy.
It's the responsibility of the management to address such a situation not yours.
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| JLC |
Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 06:55:57
quote:
Originally posted by Ocean Spray
about me un-plugging the boat 2 slips from me, yes I did un-plug the dam thing. It was a derilict boat, the owner abandoned the boat and the cord was in the water eating up my zincs.
How did you know your zincs were being eaten up?
I can't see mine until the boat is pulled.
You must have an outdrive or an outboard.
Anywho.... if the boat was abandoned, maybe the battery's were dead or missing and someone put a 110v automatic bilge pump in it to keep it afloat.
Your unplugging it could of sunk that boat and then there would have been a REAL electrical problem, not to mention a fuel mess ...bla bla bla.
I like this saying.
"Your business......mind it" |
| littlebookworm |
Posted - Mar 08 2010 : 23:09:12
Cap. Pat: Don't get me wrong. I would do exactly what you did. I just think that members attacking other members because of differing opinions and/or lack of knowledge is wrong. You don't educate someone by insulting them. Safe boating, all. Hy |
| Ocean Spray |
Posted - Mar 08 2010 : 22:24:02
Circaburns, Don't worry about insulting anyone on here! You used the word STUPID and it is just that, STUPID. besides, Iam still laughing at all the comments, good and bad, its making my day! Love to laugh! |
| Ocean Spray |
Posted - Mar 08 2010 : 22:21:58
See what happens when I go out on the boat for the weekend, all hell breaks loose! OK for some of your concerns from page one, about me un-plugging the boat 2 slips from me, yes I did un-plug the dam thing. It was a derilict boat, the owner abandoned the boat and the cord was in the water eating up my zincs. After un-plugging it, I did tell the dock master about it and he said it was ok to do so because the boat was being removed in a few weeks. So thats my story and I'm sticken to it. I think I had every right to un-plud an un-safe boat that is causing harm to other property, and if you dock your boat next to mine and I see something wrong that is affecting my boat or my safety, bet your bottom dollar I will do something about it, and ask questions later. Take it up with management! |
| littlebookworm |
Posted - Mar 08 2010 : 21:14:35
Power cords do not belong in the water just as indoor extension cords should not be used to electrify outdoor lights of any kind. But people do both. Are they wrong? Sure. Should we be angry with them. NO. We should help them understand that what they are doing is incorrect, why it's incorrect, and how to avoid doing something that is incorrect. That's the purpose of forums and communication in general. So, people, let's help those who don't understand to understand; let's not ridicule, insult, or belittle them. I'm sure there are other things that you and I do related to boating or other activities which are equally as incorrect as letting a power cord droop into the water. I, for one, accept and appreciate advice from those who know more about boating than I do. Their experience and knowledge is priceless. So, let's share it, not use it to beat someone into submission. Hy |
| circaburns1 |
Posted - Mar 08 2010 : 20:43:27
GaryP: GFI's are not infallible. They do fail. I have observed several boat owners by-pass them because they have an earth-leakage somewhere and it keeps tripping. I believe it is not impossible to hang a cord free of the water in high tide/fixed dock situations. A properly positioned dock-pole will do the trick. This forum is here in part as a Q&A. If any of my posts come across as advising people what to do in a certain situation, isn't that the point? And I believe posts that suggest to leave a power cord immersed in water is OK because they are ambivalent, unaware of the dangers or too lazy to properly locate it are misleading at best. And tragic at worse. It is no different than running an outdoor power cable into your swimming pool, out the other side while drilling holes in your fence. Jump in kids, the water's just fine. |
| GaryP |
Posted - Mar 08 2010 : 15:58:35
I've heard if you put a few coils in the cord underwater with a net on one end, that a fish will die as it swims thru and you have supper! I haven't caught any yet but I haven't given up either :)
Why is it that forums tend to attract a few people who insist on telling the rest of the world what to do?
What about GFI's? I'm pretty sure the marina is using them.
There's alot more important stuff in life and in boating to worry about than a cord hanging in the water. That should fire someone up.
I suppose that it could be very difficult or impossible to avoid in an area with large tides and fixed docks.
FYI, I try to never let mine touch the water, think its bad "marinamanship" to do so (seamanship is while underway), and I'm amazed at the number of posts put into this simple question...of course I took the time to add my 2 cents too! |
| Capt. Bill1 |
Posted - Mar 07 2010 : 15:21:23
quote:
Originally posted by Cpt. Harold
quote:
As a concession to my choice of words, I am happy to replace stupid with silly and irresponsible with rash. I hope any offense is mitigated but the message is not.
There you go. Now the point is well taken and it still gets across...
Now we are all in agreement. A shore power cord should NEVER be allowed to touch the water.
Correct.
In fact it rained most of the day here so several hours ago I unplugged all the boats at the marina and then dried and stored all their cords in a shed to keep them out of the water.
Oops, got ta go. There is a crowd of boat owners gathering out side my boat right now yelling something and throwing thawed meat on my deck.
Must mean they want to thank me by having a BBQ in my honor.
"OK, OK, calm down. I'll be out in a second. And watch were you are squirting that lighter fluid will ya. My grill is on the top deck for crying out loud."
People in Puerto Rico are so appreciative. |
| Cpt. Harold |
Posted - Mar 07 2010 : 12:23:09
quote:
As a concession to my choice of words, I am happy to replace stupid with silly and irresponsible with rash. I hope any offense is mitigated but the message is not.
There you go. Now the point is well taken and it still gets across...
Now we are all in agreement. A shore power cord should NEVER be allowed to touch the water.
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| circaburns1 |
Posted - Mar 06 2010 : 20:29:11
quote:
Originally posted by Audrey II
I'm surprised to see so much anger here. Not everyone has the same level of experience and knowledge when it comes to both boating and electricity. The point of this forum is to help bridge the gap from those how know and those that don't. Not everyone is going to agree about everything that is just human nature. Bottom line is there is no reason for anyone to get nasty and insult.
As for me stray current scares me. I would never leave my cord in the water there is no way anyone can look at a good and know it is good you can look at a cord and know it is bad why take a chance.
Water and electricity don't mix I would say just ask this guy but it's too late.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35650429/
Now that has to hurt.
Sigh. I'm not sure but I hope the anger bit is not directed at me. Because I'm not angry. I am a bit disturbed though by what I view as ambivalent posts on what should be seen as a really important safety issue. Less experienced boaters may be misdirected by many of the replies. And this does no-one any good.
As a concession to my choice of words, I am happy to replace stupid with silly and irresponsible with rash. I hope any offense is mitigated but the message is not. |
| circaburns1 |
Posted - Mar 06 2010 : 20:12:53
quote:
Originally posted by Capt. Bill1
quote:
Originally posted by circaburns1
quote:
Originally posted by HOGAN
quote:
Originally posted by circaburns1
IMO it is indefensible to argue an above water power cord that is water resistant can be for the most case be left submerged.
Even though you preface it with "IMO", it most obviously IS defensible, as evidenced by the posts defending it!
Yes, apparently.
This quote from USCG:
If a shore power cord should become immersed in
water, it should be immediately sprayed with fresh
water, THOROUGHLY dried, and blades and contact
slots sprayed with a moisture displacement before
re-using.
Note the "blades and contact slots" part.
FYI, nobody is advocating letting the end of a power cord lay in the water.
I believe the USCG warning covers the entire power cord not just the plug. |
| psalzer |
Posted - Mar 06 2010 : 12:00:35
"I'm surprised to see so much anger here."
AudreyII Nor really anger, just the end of a long winter ... many here are passionate about their opinions!! There are a couple who just join to
be aggrivating! |
| Capt. Bill1 |
Posted - Mar 06 2010 : 11:44:18
quote:
Originally posted by circaburns1
quote:
Originally posted by HOGAN
quote:
Originally posted by circaburns1
IMO it is indefensible to argue an above water power cord that is water resistant can be for the most case be left submerged.
Even though you preface it with "IMO", it most obviously IS defensible, as evidenced by the posts defending it!
Yes, apparently.
This quote from USCG:
If a shore power cord should become immersed in
water, it should be immediately sprayed with fresh
water, THOROUGHLY dried, and blades and contact
slots sprayed with a moisture displacement before
re-using.
Note the "blades and contact slots" part.
FYI, nobody is advocating letting the end of a power cord lay in the water.
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| Audrey II |
Posted - Mar 06 2010 : 10:03:59
I'm surprised to see so much anger here. Not everyone has the same level of experience and knowledge when it comes to both boating and electricity. The point of this forum is to help bridge the gap from those how know and those that don't. Not everyone is going to agree about everything that is just human nature. Bottom line is there is no reason for anyone to get nasty and insult.
As for me stray current scares me. I would never leave my cord in the water there is no way anyone can look at a good and know it is good you can look at a cord and know it is bad why take a chance.
Water and electricity don't mix I would say just ask this guy but it's too late.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35650429/
Now that has to hurt. |
| circaburns1 |
Posted - Mar 06 2010 : 09:59:45
quote:
Originally posted by HOGAN
quote:
Originally posted by circaburns1
IMO it is indefensible to argue an above water power cord that is water resistant can be for the most case be left submerged.
Even though you preface it with "IMO", it most obviously IS defensible, as evidenced by the posts defending it!
Yes, apparently.
This quote from USCG:
If a shore power cord should become immersed in
water, it should be immediately sprayed with fresh
water, THOROUGHLY dried, and blades and contact
slots sprayed with a moisture displacement before
re-using.
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| CurrentSea |
Posted - Mar 06 2010 : 08:38:00
Pascal,
Don't ever go to Chumplins. You will see powercords everywhere, in water, across boats, wrapped around bimini poles. My powercord fried after someone kicked it, can u imagine if it burned, it would of left a nice brown line on someone's boat.
I personally don't think powercord are meant to be in the water and I regularly will adjust people's cords so they are not in the water. Can't imagne why anyone would want them in!
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| HOGAN |
Posted - Mar 06 2010 : 08:22:33
quote:
Originally posted by circaburns1
IMO it is indefensible to argue an above water power cord that is water resistant can be for the most case be left submerged.
Even though you preface it with "IMO", it most obviously IS defensible, as evidenced by the posts defending it! |
| circaburns1 |
Posted - Mar 05 2010 : 21:38:01
quote:
Originally posted by Cpt. Harold
Some people just don't know how to argue or defend a point without
resorting to insults. They just can't.
Hmmm. I did say 'stupid' and 'irresponsible' didn't I. They were not intended as insults,
Just a fact.
If you took them as an insult, then the shoe must fit.
IMO it is indefensible to argue an above water power cord that is water resistant can be for the most case be left submerged.
As for the argument that all power cords look the same (yes they are straight and can coil and may be the same color and conduct electricity) - therefore must be same. That's wrong.
And for those who say what's good for DC bilge wiring is good for AC wiring - well that's just plain disturbing.
I do wonder though how many inexperienced boaters out there who read this thread and see the ambivalent posts condoning what I believe to be the improper (read: stupid and irresponsible if you wish) laying of power cords through water and deem it as OK.
Ice-eaters - I do not pretend to be an expert on cords, although as an importer of corded consumer products for more than 25 years - I do know there are literally hundreds of different types of cords all looking the same but manufactured entirely differently and all rated for different purposes. But I can guarantee you that ice-eater cords and shore power cords will have been tested (and passed) to different standards.
And lastly any warning label that is attached to or forms part of a power cord is there for a reason. Some may believe it is there to redirect liability and that would be correct. But it's also there because it would be stupid or irresponsible (darn there I go again - must get my thesaurus out) to not warn against the real life threatening dangers of immersion.
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| JLC |
Posted - Mar 05 2010 : 21:07:51
quote:
Originally posted by vic33004
Pascal, I know that you are an able mariner and know what you are doing. Posting a poll on this is inviting problems for the naive as it seems to condone as sloppy that which is clearly improper. I'm not aware of any shore power cord mfg that is using cable that is rated for underwater use. An SJ, OS, SJOW, OSJ rating are merely water and oil resistant which by NEMA and IP definition is able to withstand water being sprayed on them. This in no way implies they are rated for water submersion.
since i have no doubt your intent here is to educate, i would suggest posting info on here of a shore power cable mfg that is in fact rated for water submersion and to what depth or, redirect the post here as a warning not to immerse these cords in water. It’s not cool to post an opinion poll on whether it’s acceptable to ignore the mfg's specifications on the use of their products.
I don’t mean for this post to come off as criticism or a flame, but the post is very misleading the way it is framed.
Oyi.... So what...you should not make a poll because the naive may read it then go out and perform the worst case scenario question?
Here is a new poll for the chronically naive.
"You get on your boat and you smell gas fumes do you.....
A) Get off your boat, grab a fire extinguisher and then carefully look for its source?
B) Sit down and light a cigar to ponder what your next move is.
C) Open your engine cover up and squirt Dawn into the bilge then fire the engines up, because that's what you do when you spill gas over board filling up the outboard.
D) Say "my engine is a diesel, it must be the boat next door, fire the engines up and then remember its your car that's a diesel not your boat.
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