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| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - Jun 29 2010 : 06:43:33
For 7 yrs now we've the Admiral (Lori) and I have been planning to build our own boat. We chose the TW28 from bateau.com for it's ease of construction. This past weekend we took a 1000 mi road trip from Iroquois ON to Boston MA to pick up the CnC plywood kit for the TW28. We scored an excellent deal from a fella there who abandoned his TW28 project. This is what it looks like before assembly....
And if all goes well over the next 3 yrs or so we'll end up with something that looks like this.....
Standby.... more details to follow....
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| 50 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 24 2013 : 15:09:45
You're welcome Flutters. Stay tuned.
I'm a little pooped so I'm gonna take the easy way out and just tell you I updated our blog today.
http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/2013/05/freakin-brrrrrrrrrr.html
Standby... |
| Flutterby |
Posted - May 24 2013 : 14:19:05
I so enjoy your pictures and narrative! I know absolutely nothing about building a boat, so your detailed explanations are very useful. Thanks so much for sharing this with us!!! |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 23 2013 : 10:16:38
Was working along sanding the edges in prep for the side cloth. It's hard getting rid of the shiny areas the 33 oz fabric leaves such a deep and course texture. A few more hours and it'll be ready.
It was going fine till the monsoons hit. Something caught the corner of my eye and it was a paint bucket floating around in circles under the boat!
Back at it when it dries up a lil' bit.
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| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 22 2013 : 18:01:47
I'd have to say that Peter is a much better conversationalist than the cats who usually hang out with me in the boat shed!
Here's the Lenihan in his native environment. I really think he's missed sanding since completing his own boat. He didn't even bother to change out of his street clothes before he went right to work!
Enamored with my air sander he pointed out all the oversights in my own sanding. Aye, Master I am still but a grasshopper!
30 Second Video Clip
http://s237.photobucket.com/user/KnottyBuoyz/media/KBIII/9F4E9E0D-FE5B-4AD6-A598-81F58E9031D2-2425-000004901BC5605D.mp4.html
I had ordered 25 yds of 1808 biaxial fabric for the sides and transom. Well, as you can likely guess the roll was 1 1/2 yds short so after cutting the two sides off the roll there wasn't enough for the transom. Plan B called for some 22 oz Basalt fabric I had on hand. It looks a lot like carbon fiber but is more like glass. Lighter and stronger and workable just like fiberglass.
Peter was a little unsure of this new material, the dark color doesn't show you when it's wetted out properly. Call in the Peel Ply.
For those of you not familiar with peel ply it's a nylon (or other synthetic fabric) that is laid over top of the fiberglass (Basalt) and squeegeed out. It will reveal areas where more epoxy is required. When cured the fabric is pulled off (peeled) which leaves a sharp textured surface that's ready for painting or whatever without sanding.
So it was a good day in the boat shed. Didn't get all done that I would have liked but it's quality work and there was some good conversation. Doesn't get much better than that! |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 21 2013 : 05:46:05
Spent a good chunk of the weekend with the sanders preparing the sides for glass. We'll be hanging and gluing down the glass on the sides and transom tomorrow.
The heavy fabric leaves such a large hard edge they have to be faired to prevent bridging when the next layers are put down.
This fairing will get a quick sanding before the glass goes on. Hopefully it'll prevent a lot of bubbles in the layup.
The old boat shed will be a flurry of activity tomorrow!  |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 19 2013 : 17:31:04
12+ hrs of sanding the last two days. Tomorrow I'll finish that up and prepare to hang the glass on the sides and transom. My buddy Peter is coming on Wednesday to help with the glassathon. You might recall Peter launched his Bolger Windemere last year.
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| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 16 2013 : 15:29:56
Big difference having an extra set of hands mixing the epoxy!!! My buddy Andrew N came over and gave me a hand today. Start to finish took 6 hrs. I was able to spend more time fairing out the tape seams which helped a lot. There's virtually no bubbles in this side.
The differences this time were:
1. Extra hands mixing so I didn't have to sprint up and down the ladder to mix my own
2. Warmer. About 70 degs F which is ideal for this type of work
3. Spent more time on details and was able to bust bubbles as I went
4. Wasn't rushing to get it done before I collapsed
I'll have to check but I think we used the same amount of epoxy. I stuck with the smaller roller this time. It worked fine and allowed me to get those nasty little bubbles as I went. So that's layer 1 on the bottom. I've got 3 more to put on the keel then the 10 oz on the bottom. I'll likely do a little fairing on this layer before I put down the 10 oz. There's also some more carbon fiber to go on the chines.
Shower time! |
| PascalG |
Posted - May 15 2013 : 10:46:09
Well I don't do much boating in areas with rocks but have cruised the NE for a few weeks over the last few years and have come to the conclusion that rocks don't pop up :). They are all well charted, marked, buoyed, etc. so I find it easier to deal with than sandbars, shoals etc which can shift quit a bit
Obviously though, when you find one it will hurt a lot more than mud!! |
| pdecat |
Posted - May 15 2013 : 09:02:08
Nobody intends to hit rocks but if you boat in an area with rocks eventually you will. |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 15 2013 : 07:22:26
quote:
Originally posted by PascalG
I think floating debris will cause damage at the bow near the water line or on the hull, I won't lif it can hit the bottom of the keel. On the plus side, adding a SS plate will also add weight to the keel and help stability..
Exactly. I added a layer of Saertex (quadaxial carbon fiber) on the bow area where we'd likely sustain any damage.
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| PascalG |
Posted - May 15 2013 : 06:53:24
I think floating debris will cause damage at the bow near the water line or on the hull, I won't lif it can hit the bottom of the keel. On the plus side, adding a SS plate will also add weight to the keel and help stability.. |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 15 2013 : 05:52:42
quote:
Originally posted by PascalG
To shoe or not to shoe depends in how and where you re going to use the boat...are you really going to beach a 28' trawler on a rocky beach?
Hey Pascal. Thanks for looking in.
That's true and for us this boat, hopefully, will carry us into your backyard someday. Around here the biggest hazards are floating or nearly floating debris in the St. Lawrence. Stuff like picnic tables, trees & partially submerged docks etc. It's worse in the spring.
We usually keep to the deep water whenever possible. I'm not that adventuresome that I need to know where every little creek or backwater goes. I once beached (unintentionally) our 25 footer. The depth sounder on the transom showed 75 feet of water and the bow was aground. That's the 1000 Islands for ya! :-)
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| PascalG |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 14:00:28
To shoe or not to shoe depends in how and where you re going to use the boat...are you really going to beach a 28' trawler on a rocky beach? |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 14 2013 : 13:37:43
I'll have a look to see what I can find Bruce. Thnx.
Here's a pic of today's efforts. Doesn't look like much but there was a good 4 hrs of sanding and wiping to prep the surface for the fiberglass. It'll likely take me another 11 hrs to do this side. Thursday or Friday I'll get to that.
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| pdecat |
Posted - May 13 2013 : 06:55:38
cut2sizemetals dot com
IMO the idea is to prevent impact damage to the FG keel. One piece may be preferred but smaller section should work too. I don't know how thick it should be but go look at scrap dealers and you might find something useful. |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 13 2013 : 05:34:19
This is the SS shoe they put on the TW28 in Australia. It was insisted up by the inspector if I remember correctly.
I'd need a piece of SS about 20' long and 16" wide to fit my keel. Wonder how much that'll cost? Hmmmm? |
| Thudpucker |
Posted - May 12 2013 : 19:36:57
As a kid in Puget Sound area I got my hands on a lottsa 'old wrecks' or direlects.
Most of thse old wooden boats had a keel shoe. That Keel Shoe was normally a long piece of 'half round' steel about an inch wide by half inch thick.
Nothing wrong with that. But the Bolts were often the 'wrong stuff' too few, and too far between.
So many I took off were bent to the side, torn off in front or back and the bolts were barely keeping that shoe in place.
You sometimes cannot help going to the beach.
That's gonna need some repair, so maybe a keel shoe is a wast of time and money up front if your still gonna have to make some serious repairs.
If you did use a shoe under all that Fiberglass etc, make that shoe widen enough to prevent damage to the Glass.
In those early years of mine, which were the late years of wood boats I fixed up some real interesting atrocities.
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| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 12 2013 : 06:54:57
I probably shouldn't have attempted to do this by myself but I did.
11 yds of 33 oz fabric is a bugger to wet out. It took almost 11 hours, 4 1/2 gallons of epoxy, 12 pairs of latex gloves, 2 roller sleeves plus the other expendables. I apologize for the crappy cell phone pic.
I know I was going to have a problem with bridging with this heavy material so I faired out some of obvious spots. Missed a few so I'll have a few voids to deal with. I'll have some prep work to do on the other side before I start that. Mostly runs and some epoxy spills. Not looking forward to it but there's more room to work on that side of the boat so it should be easier. |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 12 2013 : 06:53:33
quote:
Originally posted by pdecat
any thoughts to putting a shoe on that keel?
There's a layer of quadaxial carbon fiber that covers most of the bow and keel. I have thought about adding a keel shoe but not sure exactly which material to use. One that was built in Australia a few years ago used stainless steel but they have reefs & oyster beds to deal with.
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| pdecat |
Posted - May 10 2013 : 11:32:37
any thoughts to putting a shoe on that keel? |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 10 2013 : 10:46:08
Fiberglass as far as the eye can see!
Approx. 10 yds of 33 oz Quadaxial fabric. Should suck up about 3 gallons of epoxy! |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 10 2013 : 04:59:28
Hey Wayne
You can use it if you like. It's 30" long but I have some shorter. You'll have to find the sandpaper for it though. All I have is really course stuff right now.
Stop by anytime.
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Originally posted by carver 2557
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Originally posted by KnottyBuoyz
Hey Thud
I've got the hand powered longboard from Durablock.
Hey Rick: I was actually looking for one of those to finish my truck. How long is it?. U still using it?. U want to sell/rent it out for a couple of days?..
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| Flutterby |
Posted - May 09 2013 : 17:34:39
quote:
Originally posted by adru
I see you are from California, nowhere near the recent fires I hope. What are the summer temps like where your from?
Flutterby here in sunny California. My climate is nothing like Knotty Buoys!!!! Sorry I confused you; I definitely am NOT building a boat; not even a toy boat!
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| carver 2557 |
Posted - May 09 2013 : 06:26:22
quote:
Originally posted by KnottyBuoyz
Hey Thud
I've got the hand powered longboard from Durablock.
Hey Rick: I was actually looking for one of those to finish my truck. How long is it?. U still using it?. U want to sell/rent it out for a couple of days?.. |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 09 2013 : 05:36:29
Before the rains came I rolled out one panel of glass for the bottom. The table is 16' long to give you some perspective. This panel is over 32' long, half of it is still rolled up at the far end of the table. I have to transfer the dimensions from this panel to a new roll of glass for the other side.
This fiberglass is 33 oz quadaxial. About 65 lbs to this roll alone. It'll soak up a lot of epoxy but replaces two separate layers specified by the designer. We've worked with it before and it's pretty easy to work with as long as the panels are relatively flat. We'll have gravity on our side this time. |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 08 2013 : 10:42:35
Some carbon fiber (Saertex) added to the keel and area where the rudder port will be. I had the material and nothing planned for it so I thought these areas could benefit from a little extra reinforcement.
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| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 06 2013 : 05:11:59
California? No, far from it. We're in a small place in Eastern Ontario, Canada called Iroquois, about an hour west of Montreal, an hour south of Ottawa and an hour east of Kingston along the St. Lawrence River.
I have a large pedestal fan in the doorway that pulls a lot of air through the shed. It still gets warm in there. The blue plastic acts like a super greenhouse I guess. Just have to learn to work around the higher temps. If you read back through the thread you'll see it's a bit of a struggle just to keep the shed together. I don't like to put more holes in it than necessary. |
| adru |
Posted - May 05 2013 : 19:37:48
Oops... Didn't see it. If it's already reaching 80 though you may need 2 fans, do you have another on the other end of the shed? I see you are from California, nowhere near the recent fires I hope. What are the summer temps like where your from? |
| Flutterby |
Posted - May 05 2013 : 17:58:56
quote:
Originally posted by KnottyBuoyz
It's about 80 degs in the shed now. Time for a siesta then back at it.
adru, look at this pic and you can see the fan up near the top of the shed...... |
| adru |
Posted - May 05 2013 : 17:12:33
How about venting your shed with an exaust fan blowing out at the top to keep the temp. reasonable? With summer coming it is only going to get HOTTER! |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 05 2013 : 16:15:29
Hey Thud
I've got the hand powered longboard from Durablock.
http://dura-block.com/sanding-blocks/
You're right. They remove a lot of material very quickly. It takes practice to use them properly. I don't think I'll bother with an air powered version. |
| Thudpucker |
Posted - May 05 2013 : 15:38:47
See if you can borrow a sander from an Auto shop. It's about two feet long, and straight. Get's a lot done in a short, but beware of any aggressive tool like that. |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 05 2013 : 11:37:32
2 hrs sanding with the 6" pneumatic RO vs 6 hrs with the 5" electric RO. Hmmmm? Used up about the same number of discs.
The operation was a success but the patient died! :lol:
The larger air compressor and RO sanders were a good investment. I've got a couple hours sanding on the other side then I'll be laying down the glass for the bottom. I'd like to be able to work wet on wet but it's just not possible doing it myself even with a helper. I can live with it.
It's about 80 degs in the shed now. Time for a siesta then back at it. |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - May 04 2013 : 05:46:28
Update: Got another layer of glass on the keel yesterday. Had a kid from next door helping. He jumped right in! 8) It was over 80 degs in the shed so we had to work quickly. I can see how a third set of hands would have been a great help. Two rolling and one mixing.
Will be prepping the bottom for glass this week so more sanding ahead. Small steps but hopefully they're in the right direction. |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - Apr 25 2013 : 05:12:44
In the immortal words of Tim The Tool Man Taylor: "More Power"
My old air compressor just couldn't cut the mustard so I upgraded.
I have a whole bunch of air tools including sanders but could never use them with the old compressor.
Here's the results of 6 hrs of sanding with an 5" RO electric.
Ordered more fiberglass and should be ready to lay that down next week.
Productivity should go up from now on! |
| Flutterby |
Posted - Apr 14 2013 : 02:17:07
Have a good boat-building season! |
| PascalG |
Posted - Apr 13 2013 : 15:25:42
Glad to see you re getting back to work! |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - Apr 13 2013 : 14:02:50
Well Mother Nature's still dicking us around but I can't wait. I've got some screwups to fix from last fall's fiberglass fiasco.
I ran into a batch of extremely course fiberglass tape and had a hard time getting the goopy stuff to fill the weave.
The white areas are voids that'll have to be ground down and filled before the next layer of glass goes on.
Same here, this is all down the starbard side of the keel. All the voids will be ground down and filled. Looks like it's going to be mucho fun!
Standby....
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| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - Mar 09 2013 : 06:56:12
quote:
Originally posted by dl2525
Any updates?
Just waiting for the snow to melt around the shed. Won't be long now. Getting kinda anxious myself. |
| dl2525 |
Posted - Mar 08 2013 : 13:04:47
Any updates? |
| Thudpucker |
Posted - Jan 24 2013 : 16:20:22
Looking back from what I see now, it might have been better to get a Blue Tarp with the 1/2" mesh in it. If it was available.
I had some of the clear stuff covering some Chicken pens and it held up in the wind, but not so much the sun.
Oh well! More blue tarp and Duct tape! |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - Jan 24 2013 : 15:41:39
Mother Nature's being a b*tch again!
We had strong winds last week and the shed was fine. It turned cold, -26C a couple of times this week. I figure the cold broke the plastic.
Gonna be a bugger to fix in this cold. Grrrr. |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - Jan 19 2013 : 07:50:27
quote:
Originally posted by Rick D
Rick, on that note, how do you intend to get it righted when the time comes?
Hey Rick
I've seen a few flipped by other builders. It isn't that hard (so I'm told). The hull won't weigh much more than 1500 lbs when it's ready to be flipped so it's more awkward than heavy. Basically I'll construct a couple of frames to hold the hull so it can be 'rolled' in place.
With the help of a chainfall, winch and a few jacks we should be able to flip it in place. That's the plan anyways. |
| Rick D |
Posted - Jan 16 2013 : 13:10:36
quote:
Originally posted by KnottyBuoyz
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It looks a lot bigger upside down in my backyard but I know it'll seem a lot smaller once it's in the water.
Rick, on that note, how do you intend to get it righted when the time comes?
--Rick
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| bcatlin |
Posted - Jan 16 2013 : 12:17:54
Rick,
We're very proud of our son and hope that he continues to do well in the program. I agree, it is a noble career choice and one that he's going to love! You are right, the first year is common, but he did have to declare which stream he wanted prior to being accepted. This year they only took half the normal number of recruits, he was lucky to get in.
He's going to laugh when he hears 'Rubber Duckys'. He had a great summer! Initially he applied and was interviewed Sarnia, but didn't get in. Then he heard from Steve S. in Newfoundland and was accepted there. He was far from home, but he felt like he was at home in NFLD.
Thanks for the invite. I'll drop you a line if we make it down your way!
Brian
Bcat |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - Jan 15 2013 : 07:22:50
quote:
Originally posted by Thudpucker
TW28???? That big thing is only 28' long?
Jeez, maybe it's 28' wide? OR 28' deep?
When the ground starts to thaw up there, the weight of that thing will bring the Ice Sheets over to Ricks yard.
I really wish I was up there to help him keep at it though.
Hey Thud
As you've likely figured out by now we did stretch the TW28 39 1/8" to get it to 31' 5" LOA. The beam went up a lil' bit too to 10' 2"
It looks a lot bigger upside down in my backyard but I know it'll seem a lot smaller once it's in the water.
Standby... |
| KnottyBuoyz |
Posted - Jan 15 2013 : 07:21:07
quote:
Originally posted by bcatlin
Rick,
I've been away from BoaterEd for some time, but checked back in today to see how you are making out with your project. I am thrilled to see how much progress you've made! Congratulations!
Hi Bcat
Thnx for the kind words. Progress is slow but it's not a race! :-) It will get done, just in my own time.
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On another note, I want to congratulate you on your retirement from the Coast Guard and also want to let you know that my son started at the Canadian Coast Guard Collage shortly before you retired. He is in the Marine Engineering program and with any luck; he’ll graduate in about 3.5 years.
A noble career choice. If I'm not mistaken the first year is common between navigation and engineering. I was an instructor, Logistics, at the College in 1991 and 92. Great facility but out there on the end of Cape Breton it's pretty much in the middle of nowhere. Good place to keep the kids focused on their studies though. I wish him luck.
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Over the summer he had the great opportunity to work in the Inshore Rescue Boat program in Conception Bay NFLD. I’m pretty sure you and he might know some of the same people.
Another great program. I know the guys who run that program, well did, till I left in September. They train the IRB's (Rubber Ducky's) down the road a ways from here in Cornwall, ON. A few of Ducky's have gone on to join the CCG.
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Did you see the Rick Mercer episode from the CCGC in Sydney? My son was in one of the safety boats and appeared in quite a few scenes with Rick. If you haven’t seen it, you can Google – Rick Mercer Canadian Coast Guard Collage.
Yeah, seen them all. The Media services at work send out notices all the time.
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Anyways, best of luck with your boat building. If I’m ever in the area, I might just hunt you down and have an up close look at what you are doing.
Bcat
Always welcome. I'll put my new email address on our blog so you can send me a note there if you're going to be in the area.
Regards
Rick |
| Flutterby |
Posted - Jan 14 2013 : 23:13:38
Here is the link to the blog detailing the build! Lots of really great pictures of the project as it progresses.
http://she-kon.blogspot.ca/
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| Thudpucker |
Posted - Jan 14 2013 : 19:13:28
TW28???? That big thing is only 28' long?
Jeez, maybe it's 28' wide? OR 28' deep?
When the ground starts to thaw up there, the weight of that thing will bring the Ice Sheets over to Ricks yard.
I really wish I was up there to help him keep at it though.
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| bcatlin |
Posted - Jan 14 2013 : 12:00:27
Rick,
I've been away from BoaterEd for some time, but checked back in today to see how you are making out with your project. I am thrilled to see how much progress you've made! Congratulations!
On another note, I want to congratulate you on your retirement from the Coast Guard and also want to let you know that my son started at the Canadian Coast Guard Collage shortly before you retired. He is in the Marine Engineering program and with any luck; he’ll graduate in about 3.5 years.
Over the summer he had the great opportunity to work in the Inshore Rescue Boat program in Conception Bay NFLD. I’m pretty sure you and he might know some of the same people.
Did you see the Rick Mercer episode from the CCGC in Sydney? My son was in one of the safety boats and appeared in quite a few scenes with Rick. If you haven’t seen it, you can Google – Rick Mercer Canadian Coast Guard Collage.
Anyways, best of luck with your boat building. If I’m ever in the area, I might just hunt you down and have an up close look at what you are doing.
Bcat
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