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L Hall

RO# 1



Posted - Aug 03 2007 :  17:00:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bob, drive up to the top of Mt. Washington and jump off. You'll find that you are sliding down the mountain, at an angle, getting further from the summit, both vertically and horizontally. That is caused by gravity, the same force that is pulling your boat down the wave.

The other effect you'll find in inlets is the equivalent of the Doppler effect on sound. An ebbing current will create steeper waves that are closer together, like a compressed sound wave. If you turn off your engine in the middle of an inlet during an ebbing tide, you will find yourself being pushed back out the inlet, regardless of the wave direction.

I suspect that you experienced two or three foot waves during your inlet trip. Try it, alone, in 6 to 8s or better and you may have a better understanding of what we are talking about.



Les Hall, ATC Forum Host

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PascalG

RO# 12212



Posted - Aug 03 2007 :  17:13:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Come on, do you all believe that waves just go up and down? Look at the picture from the wikipedia link and tell me that those water particles are NOT moving forward. Common sense here, fellas. I like how you all ignored the part that says the travel thousands of miles and concentrate on the other (contradictory) statement. I suggest that we are both right."

put a cork or something small in the water and see what happens to it as waves pass under it... it's not going to move. the water is not moving, it's not a current. it's only a vertical motion.

now, a boat will be moved by a wave but only because it will momentarily slip down the face of the wave... unlike a cork or piece of seaweed.


Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper

Homeport: Miami, FL Go to Top of Page

psalzer

RO# 4570



Posted - Aug 03 2007 :  17:19:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bob, you have been given many explanations, demonstrations, and advice, all of which you continue to ignore. You claim to have "hundreds of hours" at the helm" however it seems as you have learned nothing!! As I said in a previous post ... we are goind to read about you one day!!

Pete

Homeport: Fayetteville, Ga Go to Top of Page

papillon

RO# 18476

Posted - Aug 03 2007 :  17:25:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Cast not pearls before swine," Jesus Christ.

And for His sake, Bob, no, I'm not calling you a pig!



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blouderback

RO# 24057

Posted - Aug 03 2007 :  17:32:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Pete, I only have 30 minutes experience in the ocean. This is why I'm asking these questions. I have learned quite a lot in the last couple of days!

-Bob-
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"Annabo": 2005 Larson Senza 206 w/5.0L Bravo III

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Britanic

RO# 27562



Posted - Aug 03 2007 :  17:41:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
papillon, perhaps a better quote:

"you can't fix stupid" Larry the Cable Guy



Homeport: Barnegat Bay, NJ Go to Top of Page

papillon

RO# 18476

Posted - Aug 03 2007 :  17:45:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Or..
"Better to be quiet and thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt," Mark Twain.



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Charlie

RO# 6922

Posted - Aug 03 2007 :  17:48:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
When you're laying on the ground and somebody's compressing your chest after drowning, is the water flying out of your mouth really moving?

Bob, this post is educational. What have you learned?



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blouderback

RO# 24057

Posted - Aug 03 2007 :  17:48:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"The only stupid question is the question not asked."

-Bob-
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"Annabo": 2005 Larson Senza 206 w/5.0L Bravo III

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blouderback

RO# 24057

Posted - Aug 03 2007 :  17:53:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by charlie826

Bob, this post is educational. What have you learned?


Waves only move up and down, they don't have any forward motion.
I need a bigger boat.
I will probably be in the news if I try the inlet again.

Just kidding, I learned a lot of good stuff, and I hope others have gleened info from this post.

Thank you, and have a good evening, I'm outta here!


-Bob-
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"Annabo": 2005 Larson Senza 206 w/5.0L Bravo III

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Msibley

RO# 16534

Posted - Aug 03 2007 :  17:54:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by charlie826



Bob, this post is educational. What have you learned?



Stay with your boat after it swamps...



Mike
"War is cruelty. There's no use trying to reform it, the crueler it is the sooner it will be over."
"I hate newspapermen. They come into camp and pick up their camp rumors and print them as facts. I regard them as spies, which, in truth, they are."
- Maj. Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman, Commanding, Union Armies-Military Division of the Mississippi

Homeport: Melbourne, FL Go to Top of Page

walterv

RO# 12640



Posted - Aug 03 2007 :  18:04:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Les,
Thanks for the education, I never thought about it before but if anyone asked I would say waves move. Your analogy about the ball park was a good one. Also what Pascal said really hit home: "now, a boat will be moved by a wave but only because it will momentarily slip down the face of the wave... unlike a cork or piece of seaweed." The seaweed part of your statement was something I have always seen but never thought about it, a light bulb turned on when you mentioned that.


Most of the time I enjoy post's like Bob's purely as entertainment, this one really educated me on something that might have never of come up.

Thanks,


And always remember, life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by those moments that take our breath away.

George Carlin

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Msibley

RO# 16534

Posted - Aug 03 2007 :  18:07:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Take more baths instead of showers Walter...it's incredible what you can learn by watching tub waves slop around all over the place. I especially like the displacement dynamics when lowering my tired old body into the tub.




Mike
"War is cruelty. There's no use trying to reform it, the crueler it is the sooner it will be over."
"I hate newspapermen. They come into camp and pick up their camp rumors and print them as facts. I regard them as spies, which, in truth, they are."
- Maj. Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman, Commanding, Union Armies-Military Division of the Mississippi

Homeport: Melbourne, FL Go to Top of Page

PascalG

RO# 12212



Posted - Aug 03 2007 :  18:14:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Bob, this post is educational. What have you learned?"

since we established that many boats will swamp, sink and barely stay afloat by the bow if they get in trouble in an inlet, the lesson is clear. Add a bow thruster to your boat so you have something to grab on until help arrives. If you can salvage a piece of line you could even tie your kids up high on the trhuster prop.


Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper

Homeport: Miami, FL Go to Top of Page

L Hall

RO# 1



Posted - Aug 03 2007 :  18:17:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
walter, that's the only reason I kept posting - same with the others I suspect. This stuff is important for a boater to understand and many other people besides Bob read it. But he's so stubborn that we have to explain everything ten ways from Sunday.

Les Hall, ATC Forum Host

Homeport: Concord, NH Go to Top of Page

papillon

RO# 18476

Posted - Aug 03 2007 :  18:44:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Les,

Overall a good thread. Thanks



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Perry

RO# 3836



Posted - Aug 03 2007 :  21:52:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bob,
Was fishing today out of Shinnecock Inlet...went out at the start of incoming to 2-3 footers. Traversing the Inlet was lumpy but not impassable. Seas outside built to 3-5 as we fished. We came back in during the outgoing tide...with the wind and the ocean waves there were standing 8 footers inside the inlet. Not for the squeamish or time to second guess. You must have a plan and the experience to carry it out. Coming down off the face of a wave and getting spun sideways is very easy to do.
Perfect Practice Makes Perfect.
Perry



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Ghost

RO# 689



Posted - Aug 03 2007 :  22:17:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bob, seriously, what does it take to get the cotton out of your ears? If you don't want to hear anything, why do you keep asking?

What part of GALE WARNING did you not understand?

Homeport: Everett Wa Go to Top of Page

bobh

RO# 13842



Posted - Aug 04 2007 :  00:22:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Les,

The ballpark description was excellent...thanks.


Bob
Stingray 250CR

Homeport: Delran, NJ Go to Top of Page

Estimator

RO# 23140

Posted - Aug 04 2007 :  10:56:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ghost,

I think it is pointless. After fighting any constructive discussion of smart tabs, and stubbornly arguing that one that has not had them can’t have a valid point about them standing on the tired old adage, you can’t knock it if you haven’t tried it, (Buddhism I guess) setting off a three page thread of knowledgeable\experienced people repeating the same points again and again, everyone telling him that they could help some in certain situations, and might be dangerous in certain situations, and one person he deems credible posting recently……He has come to the conclusion that smart tabs may help some in some situations and could be dangerous in some situations, and it is “Bob’s idea”, and that point of view is now OK and officially blessed by Bob, I pity anyone in the interim, that went off on his blanket endorsement of smart tabs without regard as to the situations in which they might be used.. …..dah, three pages, 3 different threads, to come to the simple conclusion that the excellent information that had been repeated to him over and over is correct., but God help anyone that challenged his view before then.

I used to think I knew what BE meant, but I now believe it means…….Bob’s Empire

The knowledge in this thread is great, and I too have learned, but not because of Bob. It is akin to taking medicine; you can swallow a pill with water, the easiest way, or swallow it dry, a good way to choke. And most of his threads and post make me want to choke. I got the informative information in this thread many posts ago (And also from the Coast Guard) I don’t know if he’s got it yet, but when he does, he will grace us with his opinion that he has studied the post and deems the information BB (Bob Blessed) for all here, 4 or 5 pages later. Trying to get information to him is like talking to a fence post and not worth the effort IMO. I prefer dealing with people that are not blinded by stubbornness (it’s certainly more than normal questioning) and are a little quicker (hell of a lot quicker) on the up tick…he’s gone for the weekend I guess, with his I’m out of here comment, probably on the water, probably speeding of his little lake and feeling secure in the knowledge that he is smarter in all things, than anyone here, based on his extensive use of a pwc and about 3 years of owning boats, an 18 and 20 foot bow rider, and their use on a very small lake. If he is the new voice of wisdom here…..I feel sorry for new members he will lead astray.

I’m headed to my backyard to stare at my trailer and dream of being on the water….will someone please e-mail me when he gets banned again.


"In Heat"
1997 Bayliner Capri 2350 LS SE, 454, Bravo III
"Everything is changing. People are taking their comedians seriously and the politicians as a joke."
-Will Rogers-

Homeport: Lake Eufaula, Oklahoma Go to Top of Page

Tanqueray

RO# 17091

Posted - Aug 04 2007 :  15:33:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Tanq, he was encouraging me the whole way, never had any fear. It really wasn't as bad as you all think, there was never any danger of swamping, broaching, plowing the bow, waves over the bow, or anything. Jeepers, I didn't even get a splash in my face!"

So WHAT then was the purpose of this Question to begin with?


KALENA II

Homeport: New York Go to Top of Page

blouderback

RO# 24057

Posted - Aug 04 2007 :  18:37:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nevermind. There is no point.

-Bob-
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"Annabo": 2005 Larson Senza 206 w/5.0L Bravo III

Homeport: Chalfont, Pennsylvania Go to Top of Page

Scottath

RO# 26640

Posted - Aug 04 2007 :  19:11:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ive seen people go through some inlets in a canoe. I would say it depends on the inlet.


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Tanqueray

RO# 17091

Posted - Aug 05 2007 :  13:52:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I guess maybe that last question seemed a bit sarcastic but even YOU would have to admit that after reading the initial post that you wanted to know how to make the next possible outing easier............and then reading this..........

"there was never any danger of swamping, broaching, plowing the bow, waves over the bow, or anything."

It looks to me like there was NO problem yet you asked the original question as if there was.
I was JUST GETTING READY to cut you a little more slack to but now I have to return to my original assumption that you crave attention and lots of it and use this forum for your own personal form of entertainment.
By the way.....Did you ever meet up with MikeeH like you were going to?


KALENA II

Homeport: New York Go to Top of Page

Estimator

RO# 23140

Posted - Aug 05 2007 :  13:55:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tanq……good morning, slept in late today. The walkways at our marina are a little less than a foot under the water and it looks like our boating season will resume next weekend, which is also my lovely bide of 22 years birthday.

Since Bob puts soooooo much importance in polls. (I don’t)….check the latest results of his, I was surprised when I looked this morning, but it does give me confidence in the overall knowledge of the people that use this board.

Bob, your tsunami example is dead on right, and regardless of what anyone else says, any article ever printed, or any science to the contrary, with that one example, I DO believe that water particles move forward with the waves. Just ask those poor tsunami survivors and they will tell you that those waves were definitely moving forward…..a great example, and I am just waiting for the scientific community to rewrite their books and catch up with your knowledge regarding waves.

While your ocean experience was thirty minutes, and I stated I had none, that wasn’t totally correct. A few years ago my wife and I went to the Bahamas, and rented a damn big ass Boston Whaler (27 or 30 foot-convinced the guy I knew what I was doing, with a big ass motor) First of all, I found that cell phones aren’t much good between some islands. We had the boat for two weeks and explored the islands. It was absolutely one of the neatest things we had ever done, but I was reckless, and know I did a couple of stupid things that endangered the lives of me and my wife. I got us caught in a squall (learned later that they are very common, and predictable in the Bahamas) that came up in about 5 minutes and survived waves that appeared to be larger than the boat. We were scared to death and considered just taking the boat back if we lived through that experience. I learned very quickly some hands on experience of waves, tides and currents and as well as knowing that what ever the forecast was for the weather, it is just that, a forecast.. I also learned that with a big damn ass, self baling boat, plenty of power, and a lot of prying, that even the ignorant can get a chance to live and boat another day. I wouldn’t recommend what we did to anyone.

If you’ve never been scared ****less while boating, than you are either the greatest boater ever, right out of the box, or haven’t accumulated enough man hours yet.

Let’s debate Dolefins again….that was great fun.



"In Heat"
1997 Bayliner Capri 2350 LS SE, 454, Bravo III
"Everything is changing. People are taking their comedians seriously and the politicians as a joke."
-Will Rogers-

Homeport: Lake Eufaula, Oklahoma Go to Top of Page

blouderback

RO# 24057

Posted - Aug 06 2007 :  09:14:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tanqueray

By the way.....Did you ever meet up with MikeeH like you were going to?



Geeze, do you keep notes on everything I've posted? How'd you remember that?

In any case, no I've not met up yet with Mike. I have his phone number, but I've just been too busy. Week at the shore, new addition at the house, Kids started football and cheerleading practice, etc. Plus, my wife is a little leery of me meeting my friends from the internet. She has no idea how great you all are!


-Bob-
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"Annabo": 2005 Larson Senza 206 w/5.0L Bravo III

Homeport: Chalfont, Pennsylvania Go to Top of Page

shepdog

RO# 16889

Posted - Aug 06 2007 :  09:59:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by In the know

As my dad says - some people are meant to be Captains', and others are meant to charter.



And still others seem destined to become chum....


Shep
Looking for my next Sabre...


Homeport: Ponte Vedra Beach, FL Go to Top of Page

PeteMrrs

RO# 4125



Posted - Aug 06 2007 :  10:22:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bob:

You are the best. I find your threads and outlook on life to be truly entertaining. And just when I think it can get no more entertaining, you express your wife's concern for your safety when meeting fellow RO's. She doesn't appear concerned over Block Island or running inlets . . . . but, MikeH could spell danger.

Bob, I'm not poking fun at you I am just entertained.


If you are not enjoying every single day, you are just depleting the oxygen supply for the rest of us!

Homeport: Osprey Marina, Myrtle Beach SC Go to Top of Page

Freddy

RO# 6704

Posted - Aug 06 2007 :  10:35:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Great wave/tide/current info, as to the other, "Yawn", err, sorry

Fred


You can tell the character of a man by the way he treats those who can't help him."

Homeport: Lake Texoma, Richland Chambers Reservoir Go to Top of Page

STEELA

RO# 17957

Posted - Aug 06 2007 :  15:22:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Bob, some people will feed you all sorts of BS on many, many different topics. I personally visualize way before I get to a destination what that destination will be like based on condistions I hear about and see. Inlets are light light switches. Many times just sitting out a tide change can mean the difference between life or death. If you get out there again and it's too nasty to come in with a following sea, wait it out. Of the 100's of butchered landings I have witnessed there's no doubt in my mind 99% of them were a result of the Capt. figuring out conditions "During" the docking proceedure, not way before. Same goes for your inlet voyage.


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EdFitz

RO# 32779

Posted - Jan 19 2015 :  16:48:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wow.


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Ed
2001 Bayliner Ciera 245

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Audrey II

RO# 30499



Posted - Jan 19 2015 :  22:19:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I guess you had to be there:)

Dave

“Time you enjoyed wasting is not wasted time.” – T.S. Elliotcommon.
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1996 440 Trojan Express

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Riverbed

RO# 19680



Posted - Jan 20 2015 :  12:17:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dave - yer just plain bad!!! :)


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Reel Antsy

RO# 9587



Posted - Jan 20 2015 :  12:20:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Audrey II

I guess you had to be there:)



Maybe he was...



Jamie
1985 Trojan F32





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KiDa

RO# 16492



Posted - Jan 20 2015 :  13:37:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Reel Antsy

quote:
Originally posted by Audrey II

I guess you had to be there:)



Maybe he was...



So I'm not the only one with that thought playing pong between my left and right ears.


____________


Best Regards,

David
Saint Max
'99 330 Sundancer

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Reel Antsy

RO# 9587



Posted - Jan 20 2015 :  13:57:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
:-)


Jamie
1985 Trojan F32





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MikeeH

RO# 6342



Posted - Jan 20 2015 :  13:57:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Who resurrected this thread and why????
FYI, Bob and I did get together for a beer and still stay in touch.


Mike

I recently realized that at this stage of my life I'm now wise enough to know better, but old enough not to give a damn.

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walterv

RO# 12640



Posted - Jan 20 2015 :  18:59:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Mike,
Ed Fritz seems to be resurrecting old threads, not the first :)


And always remember, life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by those moments that take our breath away.

George Carlin

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November Charlie

RO# 824

Posted - Jan 20 2015 :  19:03:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I still maintain that with the properly skilled operator, you can run an inlet in a bow rider.

Without a capable operator, you're probably going to die.


My signature line is cooler than your signature line.

Homeport: Northwest Go to Top of Page

zane

RO# 19940

Posted - Jan 20 2015 :  20:28:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I miss bob. Love him or hate him, his topics always went viral. Always a few pages of responses.


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Capt. Bill1

RO# 2017

Posted - Jan 20 2015 :  20:33:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by November Charlie

I still maintain that with the properly skilled operator, you can run an inlet in a bow rider.

Without a capable operator, you're probably going to die.



Of course you can. As I'm sure you see in your job, it's done all the time.




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November Charlie

RO# 824

Posted - Jan 20 2015 :  22:05:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Capt. Bill1

quote:
Originally posted by November Charlie

I still maintain that with the properly skilled operator, you can run an inlet in a bow rider.

Without a capable operator, you're probably going to die.



Of course you can. As I'm sure you see in your job, it's done all the time.





See it often both ways - with a capable operator and without. In fact, I'm spending this month on this very matter. I'll try to get some photos up in NBR when I get back home. I have had the most fun you can possibly have on a boat these last few weeks.


My signature line is cooler than your signature line.

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gcolton

RO# 9708

Posted - Jan 21 2015 :  07:03:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by November Charlie

I still maintain that with the properly skilled operator, you can run an inlet in a bow rider.

Without a capable operator, you're probably going to die.



Certainly you can run an inlet with a bowrider.

As stated here it depends upon many things, just like running an inlet in a boat that is not a bowrider depends upon conditions.

George


If you are not boating or golfing you are wasting your day.

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BoatCrazy

RO# 30843



Posted - Jan 21 2015 :  08:29:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"I still maintain that with the properly skilled operator, you can run an inlet in a bow rider."

When I had my 17ft Center console I used to run out Jones Inlet run the ocean to fire island inlet and run the bay home.

When I was selling that boat, we went out for a sea trial. Potential buyer wanted open water, I pointed and said there's the ocean. He was running the boat, and I took the controls over as he had NO idea how to run Jones inlet on an incoming tide and blowing 15.



1988 StarCraft Bluewater 240 250hp Yamaha OX66

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OBX Boater

RO# 5301



Posted - Jan 21 2015 :  11:50:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I run Oregon Inlet, NC in my 20 foot center console. But I dang sure don't try it on anymore on a falling tide, east wind. Once was enough for me. 14 years later and I'm still shaking.


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Britanic

RO# 27562



Posted - Jan 21 2015 :  20:05:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am native to Barnegat Inlet NJ, she is Mother Natures bitch, and I have seem some darn small boats, open bow riders to boot go they Her. you can, but you must be very skilled or lucky, or dumb to make it.
And IMHO, Ed is Bob.



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Reel Antsy

RO# 9587



Posted - Jan 21 2015 :  20:55:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Britanic


And IMHO, Ed is Bob.



Yep...



Jamie
1985 Trojan F32





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Audrey II

RO# 30499



Posted - Jan 21 2015 :  21:00:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"And IMHO, Ed is Bob."

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner!

Who else would have dug this old thread up just to stir the pot!!!!!



Dave

“Time you enjoyed wasting is not wasted time.” – T.S. Elliotcommon.
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1996 440 Trojan Express

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