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Type-A
RO# 24241
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 Posted - Jun 05 2008 : 15:40:48
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I was wondering if any (besides me) has the XDP drives on thier boat and had to take them in for the Service Bulletin about replacing the bellows.
Tell me you experiences good or bad and the outcome.
Thanks,
Russ
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Russ
Oshkosh, WI
2005 Cruisers Yachts 300 Express |
Homeport: Oshkosh, WI
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jbacchi
RO# 18970
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Posted - Jun 05 2008 : 16:01:04
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Both of my bellows were replaced under the bulletin when I had my boat in for other drive repairs. I have twin 2005 Volvo 5.7's with XDP drives and its been nothing short of a complete nightmare. Let me know if your interesting in hearing all the problems I have had with them. ***Note to self - never buy the first of anything when it hits the market.***
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Homeport: Lake Conroe,Texas
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Type-A
RO# 24241
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Posted - Jun 05 2008 : 16:58:14
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jbacchi,
Email me at rghandy3 AT sbcglobal DOT net
Mine is currently on the trailer and in WI we have a 5-6 month boating season.
Thanks,
Russ
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Russ
Oshkosh, WI
2005 Cruisers Yachts 300 Express |
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Homeport: Oshkosh, WI
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jbacchi
RO# 18970
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Posted - Jun 05 2008 : 17:17:32
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You have mail
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Homeport: Lake Conroe,Texas
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GSENT
RO# 12438
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Posted - Jun 05 2008 : 18:22:49
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Since my Formula dealer was 130 miles away, he had Volvo service rep. come to me. Rep changed both bellows, u joints and shafts, and all related parts. I am very happy with the 496 ocean series set up, and it has been trouble free. Dealer did a great job coordinating the service.
The old bellows were re-designed so they could not be installed the wrong way. original bellows leaked, and ruined joints.
by the way, u joints are not replaceable without the assembly.
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Homeport: PGH, PA
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Type-A
RO# 24241
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Posted - Jun 06 2008 : 09:22:09
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Hi Gary,
How many hours do you have on your drives since the work was done?
The Service Manager told me about the u-joints AND that they are now no longer servicable. Just like with Gimbal Bearings.
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Russ
Oshkosh, WI
2005 Cruisers Yachts 300 Express |
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Homeport: Oshkosh, WI
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GSENT
RO# 12438
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Posted - Jun 06 2008 : 10:52:44
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I have 370 hours on total, and about 120 since rebuilt.
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Homeport: PGH, PA
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Type-A
RO# 24241
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Posted - Jun 06 2008 : 12:41:09
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Cool. That makes me feel better. I've read on other boards and all they do is complain left and right.
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Russ
Oshkosh, WI
2005 Cruisers Yachts 300 Express |
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Homeport: Oshkosh, WI
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PleasureTime
RO# 27046
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Posted - Jun 28 2008 : 13:21:06
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Do you have a link to the service bulletin, thanks.
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Boating is always "PleasureTime"
Tom [PT]
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Homeport: Eddyville, KY
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boating_rob
RO# 21873
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 10:49:34
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Where is this bulletin. The original bellows failed on both motors 2 years ago and ended up having the mechanic replace on of the transom housing due to damage. If they actually found the fix I need to get my boat done ASAP as I think I am hearing the Gimbal knocking again. Sucks is that the dealer I bought my boat from is out of business and I have to deal with 3rd party.
IMO Volvo XDP are POS.
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| 30 Rinker "My Better Half" |
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Homeport: Stony Point Bay Marina, Stony Point, NY
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jbacchi
RO# 18970
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 11:09:14
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I dont think the bulletin is available to the public -- only your dealer can look it up. Not for nothing, my bellows were replaced about a year ago under the bulletin and this is what happened http://www.boatered.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=115962
Rob, sorry to hear about your dealer, using a third party service place is going to be a nightmare.
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Homeport: Lake Conroe,Texas
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boating_rob
RO# 21873
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 11:52:00
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Are the replacement bellow supposed to fix the bellows from failing or a test to see if they work?
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| 30 Rinker "My Better Half" |
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Homeport: Stony Point Bay Marina, Stony Point, NY
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jbacchi
RO# 18970
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 11:59:30
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From what I was told, there was a design flaw with the orignal bellows that could cause pre-mature failure. The bulletin was to replace existing bellows with a newer version. I had the "new version" but now it appears I may have other issues with the boot rubbing against the ram tubing (shown in the link above). I do have to commend Volvo for standing behind their product because they just picked up the tab on all of my replacements. Good luck
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Homeport: Lake Conroe,Texas
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boating_rob
RO# 21873
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 12:02:06
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They did not pick up my tab for the $800 over land transport fee or my 8 weeks of loosing the boat. I will never buy another Volvo powered boat because of it.
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| 30 Rinker "My Better Half" |
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Homeport: Stony Point Bay Marina, Stony Point, NY
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jbacchi
RO# 18970
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 12:05:53
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Wow -- I am really surprised they didnt take care of you. Were you going through your dealer at the time?
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Homeport: Lake Conroe,Texas
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boating_rob
RO# 21873
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 12:33:11
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No. They closed up 1 and a 1/2 years after I bought the boat. The drives failed later that year. Also the next spring the port drive completely went after the first 5 minutes out. That was another 7 weeks of the limited boating season.
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Homeport: Stony Point Bay Marina, Stony Point, NY
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jbacchi
RO# 18970
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 12:37:53
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That really sucks, I understand how fustrating it is since I have had so many problems with mine too. My days of stern drive boats are over for good.
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Homeport: Lake Conroe,Texas
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Type-A
RO# 24241
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 13:04:26
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Here's the bulletin info:
Service Bulletin
Group 44-1
Number 59
Version 03
Serial Number Range
4251000718 - 4251006317
This bulletin came out in Dec 2006.
Information
A new U-joint bellows kit, Volvo Penta P/N 3886847 has been released for XDP sterndrives. The new bellows incorporates the following changes which improve its durability and ease of installation:
- Changes at both ends which improved fit on the transom shield and drive.
- Improved locating rib in the clamp area to positively locate the bellows during installation.
- Addition of tabs to assist with installation.
- New spring orientation inside the bellows.
- New markings to indicate "drive" end of bellows.
- Dedicated area for properly locating clamps.
U-joint bellows and clamps on all XDP transom shields within the effected serial number range should be replaced with U-Joint Bellows Kit PN 3886847 at the next recommended service interval as outlined in the Operator's Manual.
NOTE! Carefully follow the bellows installation instructions that are included in the kit.
All XDP drives after Serial Number 4251006317 were shipped with the new U-Joint bellows and are not covered under this bulletin.
NOTE! Warranty claims will be accepted for one bellows replacement per serial number within the range noted on this Service Bulletin until November 1, 2008. As this replacement should be scheduled during normal maintenance, haul out and/or transportation are not covered by the Volvo Penta Limited Warranty. Some transom shields may be beyond the original Limted Warranty coverage period (out of warranty). In this situation, a paper Warranty Claim Application must be mailed to Volvo Penta Technical Service Department.
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Russ
Oshkosh, WI
2005 Cruisers Yachts 300 Express |
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Type-A
RO# 24241
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 13:11:29
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What gets me is Volvo covered the damaged bellows, shafts, u-joints, etc - everythting related to the bellows failure BUT they didn't cover anything that was caused by CORROSION. This is a drive system that was designed for a salt water environment! The previous owner didn't do jack-squat for maintenance - although the boat had 56 hours on it when I bought it. So we had to shell out $4,000 for repairs. Not a good way to start the season.
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Russ
Oshkosh, WI
2005 Cruisers Yachts 300 Express |
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jbacchi
RO# 18970
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 13:35:15
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Thanks for the info Russ, looks like Volvo really screwed the pooch on this one.
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Homeport: Lake Conroe,Texas
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Type-A
RO# 24241
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 14:07:56
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You're welcome. Too bad they won't admit to it.
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Russ
Oshkosh, WI
2005 Cruisers Yachts 300 Express |
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Homeport: Oshkosh, WI
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Type-A
RO# 24241
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 14:10:05
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Here's what my drives looked like . . .
Oh yeah, and did I mention that this boat ONLY had 56 hours on it? And it was stored inside a building, on a dry rack until needed then she was splashed into the water.
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Russ
Oshkosh, WI
2005 Cruisers Yachts 300 Express |
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Homeport: Oshkosh, WI
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jbacchi
RO# 18970
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 14:24:25
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HOLY $HIT!!!! That looks like a 20 year old boat lived in Salt water its entire life. Mine wasnt near that bad and Volvo took care of it. My dealer has a 5 star rating so I wonder if thats why they took care of me?
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Homeport: Lake Conroe,Texas
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jbacchi
RO# 18970
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 14:27:45
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Ya know, I could almost deal with all the drive issues but we are gonna take a big hit on resale. The word is spreading about these drives and soon, NO ONE will touch them with a 10-foot pole. <sigh>
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Homeport: Lake Conroe,Texas
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PleasureTime
RO# 27046
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Posted - Jul 01 2008 : 00:24:20
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Thanks for the information Russ, sure sorry to hear about all the trouble you have had with the XDP's, mine have been trouble free so far but I will check the serial number range to see if they are included in the "bad" group.
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Boating is always "PleasureTime"
Tom [PT]
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Homeport: Eddyville, KY
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Type-A
RO# 24241
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Posted - Jul 01 2008 : 06:46:22
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No problem Tom. Glad I could pass on the info that wasn't available to me BEFORE we bought this boat. I sure hope to h*ll that either Cruisers and/or Volvo steps up and covers the rest . . . I have a buddy that's got a '05 Rinker 270 and he was taking on water thru bellows and/or o-ring (Bravo III) and Rinker stepped up and said even though it's out of warranty we'll cover it all 100%.
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Russ
Oshkosh, WI
2005 Cruisers Yachts 300 Express |
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Homeport: Oshkosh, WI
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muddkatt
RO# 27304
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Posted - Jul 01 2008 : 08:35:37
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Russ,
That looks bad man. My 10 year old DP-S that I just repainted was in a lot better shape. I had external corrosion and some minor electrolysis, but the shaft and u-joints were spotless.
Ken
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1997 Wellcraft Eclipse 2400S
5.7 Volvo Penta tweaked to 330HP
DP-S DuoProp w/F6 props
FWC system by Monitor Products
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Homeport: Tarpon Springs, Fl.
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Type-A
RO# 24241
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Posted - Jul 01 2008 : 09:12:08
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Ken,
It doesn't help that the previous owner had the outdrives painted with bottom paint. Jeeze! So that'll be one of my off-seaon projects, removing the bottom paint from the drives and if need be I'll repaint them to match what they looked like from the factory.
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Russ
Oshkosh, WI
2005 Cruisers Yachts 300 Express |
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Homeport: Oshkosh, WI
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LouC
RO# 10314
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Posted - Jul 01 2008 : 09:44:53
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WOW, that looks worse than my 20 year old OMC Cobra! Was that a salt water boat before you bought it? It looks like the bellows was leaking for a long time, I had a small bellows leak one year (happened just before the end of the season) and because I caught it early the ujoints and shaft had almost no corrosion on them (salt water). New bellows and I was back in business. Still running the same ujoints 4 years later. I see there is no way to even grease those, another feature I do not like. This was supposed to be the latest and greatest from Volvo for salt water use. Enough to make you go to OBs or straight IB!
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1988 Four Winns 200 Horizon 4.3 OMC Cobra
1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0 Selectrac
2007 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.7 Hemi Quadradrive II |
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Type-A
RO# 24241
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Posted - Jul 01 2008 : 10:08:31
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LouC,
Yes is was a salt water boat. And I agree it looks like it was leaking for a LOOOOOOONG time.
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Russ
Oshkosh, WI
2005 Cruisers Yachts 300 Express |
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Homeport: Oshkosh, WI
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boating_rob
RO# 21873
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Posted - Jul 01 2008 : 11:03:44
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I have to see if they are the replacement for what was replaced already. Time to call another mechanic. And the fact that it has to be done by Nov 1st is B.S. That means more time lost on the water to get it done before the off-season rush of everyone pulling their boats and winterizing.
I Agree the resale value is going to hurt on this just like the OMC Cobras. Thank You Volvo.
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Homeport: Stony Point Bay Marina, Stony Point, NY
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jbacchi
RO# 18970
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Posted - Jul 01 2008 : 12:52:35
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It seems the early versions of the XDP's (mine) are the problem. I am still working with my dealer to resolve an odd shift problem and hopefully this will be the end of my nightmare. I wonder if early adopters of axius, zeus, and IPS will also suffer from new technology?
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Homeport: Lake Conroe,Texas
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LouC
RO# 10314
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Posted - Jul 01 2008 : 13:55:37
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It really is a shame that some manufacturers do not work out problems before putting the product out, and in this case I wonder if maybe it was a problem with whoever is supplying the bellows to Volvo, maybe they didn't make it exactly to their spec, who knows. I hear that was what caused the problems with the OMC Cobra shifting, the supplier changed something in the cables and the drives were not engaging all the way, and they would jump out of gear and the dog clutches were wearing out. Took them a long time to figure it out, first they changed the angle of the dog clutches but it really was the cables. Too bad it hurt their reputation and cost them money and sales. That plus the Ficht debacle put them out of business. The ironic thing is once the cable is replaced and adjusted right, they shift great (so much so I feel no need to have a cone clutch) and can last a long time even in salt water.
Let's hope Volvo covers the early failures and it doesn't ruin the rep of the saltwater drive which is a good idea in concept.
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1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0 Selectrac
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steiger25
RO# 26881
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Posted - Jul 03 2008 : 12:51:21
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I have a 2004 XDP drive. The first two seasons were trouble with shifting. I found out the hard way about a redesigned shift mechanism. Why Volvo doesn't alert the owners rather than the dealers I don't know. Once I had that repaired, it has been trouble free. I did not know about the bulletin for the bellows. I change the U-joint bellows every other year weather it needs it of not. If you install the bellows clamps as per instrucions at 2 o clock, you will damage the casing on the shift cable. I install mine at 12 o clock and it has been fine.
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Homeport: New Jersey
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Type-A
RO# 24241
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Posted - Jul 24 2008 : 10:33:26
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UPDATE:
We have about 12 hours (so far) on the repaired drives. I have a little water in the bilge - no where near what I had before. So with this little bit of clean water, I'm going to make sure that all of my fresh water fittings are good. The water that we boat in is definately NOT clear. I've got my fingers crossed that the worst is behind me!
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Russ
Oshkosh, WI
2005 Cruisers Yachts 300 Express |
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Homeport: Oshkosh, WI
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jbacchi
RO# 18970
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Posted - Jul 24 2008 : 11:59:37
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Good luck Russ. I am waiting on parts for my drive so I will keep everyone posted when they come in.
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Homeport: Lake Conroe,Texas
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JLAbrams
RO# 24369
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Posted - Jul 31 2008 : 12:49:50
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I have a 2006 Chaparral Signature 290 with 4.3L OSi Ocean Series engines and XDP drives. I had a bellows lwak and had water intrusion on my port drive last July, less than 1 year in the water. Volvo replaced the drive, gimble bearing, drive shaft and u-jounts under warranty.
I just had the boat hauled after a full year in salt water. The drives looked great, zincs great. The service guy just called and told me that both bellows (the supposed new ones) had leaked. No water in the drives, but both sides will need new u-joints, gimble bearings and bellows. he also found that the inside of the bellows was rubbing against the u-jount when the drives are trimmed to normal running angles, and was eating up the inside of the bellows. He thinks it happens because the hose for the engine water intake is pushing against the bellows, causing it to rub on the u=joint. He has a call into Volvo to see if this is a new issue.
I hope these bellows problems are resolved, as the XDP drive is a great idea and works great when it doesn't leak...at least I would expect Volvo to extend the warranty on the drives at least another 4 years as a good faith gesture.
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Homeport: San Pedro CA
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jbacchi
RO# 18970
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Posted - Feb 26 2009 : 11:52:49
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Volvo has a recall on version 2 -- they are now shipping version 3 which they claim will address the problem. I am holding my breathe
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Homeport: Lake Conroe,Texas
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Type-A
RO# 24241
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Posted - Feb 26 2009 : 13:25:31
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Can you show us or link us the recall? I would love to have this taken care of before my boat gets wet for the year.
Thanks!
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Russ
Oshkosh, WI
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jbacchi
RO# 18970
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Posted - Feb 27 2009 : 12:29:45
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quote:
Originally posted by Type-A
Can you show us or link us the recall? I would love to have this taken care of before my boat gets wet for the year.
Thanks!
My dealer told me this and I do not have a link to the bulletin - sorry.
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Homeport: Lake Conroe,Texas
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Type-A
RO# 24241
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Posted - Feb 27 2009 : 15:26:07
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If your dealer told you about it, he should be able to give you a copy of the Service Bulletin or at least give you the Service Bulletin number.
I haven't had any luck "Google-ing" it either.....
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Russ
Oshkosh, WI
2005 Cruisers Yachts 300 Express |
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Homeport: Oshkosh, WI
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jbacchi
RO# 18970
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Posted - Feb 27 2009 : 15:58:45
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quote:
Originally posted by Type-A
If your dealer told you about it, he should be able to give you a copy of the Service Bulletin or at least give you the Service Bulletin number.
I haven't had any luck "Google-ing" it either.....
Let me see what I can get.
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Homeport: Lake Conroe,Texas
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V1rowT8
RO# 16009
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Posted - Feb 27 2009 : 22:01:13
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Guys,
The drives on my 2007 vessel (w/twin 8.1 OSI-XDPs) were both replaced last season under warrantee ....at about 116 hours. This came just after Volvo discovered that the original "REPLACEMENT" bellows were ineffective at resolving the water ingress issue, at least on some boats in the field. I supposedly am one of the first to have the new and improved/3rd generation bellows on my new XDP drives.
That said, my boat will be pulled sometime in March to change the break-in oil in the new drives (20 hrs.), and to inspect everything......inside the bellows, and otherwise. I'll plan on reporting the findings afterwards.
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PleasureTime
RO# 27046
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Posted - Feb 27 2009 : 23:49:22
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I think this the latest revision:
______________________________________________________________________
Service Bulletin
Group Number Version
44-1 73
02
Volvo Penta of the Americas
1300 Volvo Penta Drive
Chesapeake, Virginia 23320-9810
U-Joint Bellows
All XDP Sterndrives
Distribution: M Date: 12-2008 Binder: A, C
Information
A new U-joint bellows kit, Volvo Penta P/N 21277185 has been released for XDP sterndrives. The new
bellows replaces bellows P/N 3886847.
NOTICE! Please discard service bulletin 44-1-59 as this bulletin replaces the old one.
51670
NOTICE! Carefully follow the bellows installation instructions that are included in the kit. As with the
previous bellows, this one is marked to show correct clamp and bellows orientation.
NOTICE! Replaced bellows must be returned with the completed warranty claim form in order to receive
reimbursement.
Dealers in North America may return any new, unused 3886847 bellows for credit by shipping
them to:
In USA: In Canada:
VPA Bellows Return VPC Bellows Return
1300 Volvo Penta Drive 7972 Enterprise Street
Chesapeake, VA 23320 Burnaby, BC V5A 1V7
Dealers should file a warranty claim on Volvo Penta Partner Network for the number of bellows
returned as follows:
Warranty Claim Information for North American market only:
Warranty type: 41
Function group: 4418
Failed part: 3886847
Reason code: 02
Warranty Claim Information for markets outside North America:
Please contact Volvo Penta customer service in your market for instructions.
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Boating is always "PleasureTime"
Tom [PT]
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Homeport: Eddyville, KY
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jbacchi
RO# 18970
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Posted - Apr 02 2009 : 10:41:27
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I am scheduled to have mine replaced with the latest and hopefully this will be the end of my nightmare
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Type-A
RO# 24241
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 Posted - Oct 30 2009 : 11:26:45
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Here's an update...
I have the NEW design on my boat. These have been on my boat since June 2008 and now I have 128 hours on them since the bellows/shafts/gimbals/etc were replaced. I'm not very happy.
Did I mention that his is a FRESH water boat?
PORT
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STARBOARD
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Russ
Oshkosh, WI
2005 Cruisers Yachts 300 Express |
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boating_rob
RO# 21873
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Posted - Oct 30 2009 : 12:18:06
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
It may be time for the class action suit. Now I have to have mine pulled again.
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Homeport: Stony Point Bay Marina, Stony Point, NY
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Type-A
RO# 24241
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Posted - Oct 30 2009 : 13:22:46
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The day I was putting it on the trailer, I'm going about 2mph and I could hear that "growling" when I turned hard to starboard. Sure as sh*t, I verified today that the starboard gimbal bearing is TOAST (again)!
June 2008 - I got new gimbals, shafts, bellows, etc.
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Russ
Oshkosh, WI
2005 Cruisers Yachts 300 Express |
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parkrode360
RO# 25031
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Posted - Oct 30 2009 : 18:49:35
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How many hours do you have on the "new new" bellows? Only 128 hours? And this is a boat that's out of the water at least 5 - 6 months of the year?
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George & Gloree
2006 Rinker 360 Express
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Homeport: Stony Point Bay Marina, NY
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Chris_P
RO# 28295
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Posted - Oct 30 2009 : 19:13:58
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Just to clarify, you had the Version 3 bellows on the boat? If it was done in June of 2008 in may be the Version 2s. When I purchased my boat in Feb of this year, they installed the new V3s and I'm pretty sure they mentioned that they just recently upgraded/changed them .....
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parkrode360
RO# 25031
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Posted - Oct 31 2009 : 06:45:21
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Chris, good point. I know I had my bellows change scheduled for March / April 2009 and my marina had just heard about the "new new" bellows -- and had to wait for the parts.
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George & Gloree
2006 Rinker 360 Express
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