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blouderback
RO# 24057
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 Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 17:43:02
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Poll Question:
Do you give a blast when leaving the dock? How about you trailerboaters like me, after you launch, and tie up to the courtesy dock at the lake, do you give a blast when leaving the courtesy dock?
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-Bob-
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"Annabo": 2005 Larson Senza 206 w/5.0L Bravo III
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Edited by - blouderback on Jun 30 2008 17:43:48
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Homeport: Chalfont, Pennsylvania
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 17:49:17
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when i back out of a slip, or if i'm tied alongside and back out, I sound 1 long (leaving) and 3 shorts (reversing) mostly because visibility aft isn't very good and there could be a small boat or PWC trying to cut right behing my stern.
obvously, if someone is that stupid to be that close, they probably dont know the meaning of 3 blasts so it's mostly a CYA thing...
otherwise if it's all clear around i skip the long blast... that usually results in too many angry stares.
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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MichaelNJ
RO# 14778
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 18:01:03
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I don't do it when I leave the dock. I dock stern in to my slip and I can see the fairway before I pull out. There is a sea wall with a small opening to my marina. I use the horn (1 long blast) when I am approaching the opening on the way out.
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Capt. Bill1
RO# 2017
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 18:01:52
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What Pascal said.
Unless I have a very clear view and/or the crew calls all clear.
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Sunny
RO# 10414
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 18:03:53
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"I don't do it when I leave the dock. I dock stern in to my slip and I can see the fairway before I pull out. There is a sea wall with a small opening to my marina. I use the horn (1 long blast) when I am approaching the opening on the way out."
Ditto, well at least we used to.
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Homeport: Seneca River, NY
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Sandy K.
RO# 3775
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 18:42:09
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I sound one blast on the horn as there are lots of small motorboats fishing the channel outside my fairway. I get their attention so they are aware I'm coming....
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Homeport: Belmar, NJ
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lil red truck
RO# 25758
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 18:51:22
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Same as MichaelNJ.
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1987 Bayliner Ciera 2450
Matthew 7:12
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Homeport: Yonkers, NY
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AustinPaul
RO# 17353
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 19:04:28
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Never in our case. It would be like blowing the horn at no one. :-)
If I did, folks would probably think that I am grandstanding.
OTOH, in the unlikely circumstance where someone was near, I would follow Pascal's lead.
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mixman
RO# 25362
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 19:10:12
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Just about always, especially weekends. We've got 2 other marinas nearby and my pier is the only fuel dock around. It's pretty much the norm to signal around here (although I usually wait until I'm nearing the end of the fairway ready to exit the marina instead of just leaving my slip).
As for your trailering question, you've got me there. I haven't see/heard that done yet.
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mx8
RO# 24359
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 21:34:57
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Our marina owner sometimes keeps his 100 some odd foot charter yacht at the end of our dock, with boats in the opposite slips I have to vitually tuck my radar arch under his pulpit, (yes, it fits). Then I blow a long blast becaiuse there is no possible way anyone would see me coming out.
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Homeport: Haddam Ct
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sortie
RO# 2043
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 21:50:06
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Almost always. Especially when running one of the tour boats. Backing out of the slip into a congested area,carrying 30-50 passengers,you bet your bib I blast three. Local MSD officer would be most unhappy with us if we did not use horn signals.
Sorry to say Pascal is correct,very few have any idea what is happening or why. It gets scarrier every year.
John
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Perc
RO# 9738
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Posted - Jun 30 2008 : 21:58:17
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always. there are always pwc's and fishing boats hanging around the end of the slips That I won't see until I've cleared my slip.
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GaryMartin
RO# 14360
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Posted - Jul 01 2008 : 09:32:20
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(You kinda have two different questions in that poll there Bob)
Absolutely, I signal one long every time before leaving the dock. My dock is next to the Marina's gas dock and there's always lots of traffic around there. I am stern-in, but it's good to get the attention of all the small boats around the gas dock to let them know the 40-ish footer is moving out in their area. Besides, they have our docks so freakin close together, the fairway is only about 50 to 55 feet wide between my dock and the gas dock.
If nothing else, it's also a great way to make sure your horn works before leaving. :)
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Homeport: Perry, KS
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marykhubby
RO# 25522
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Posted - Jul 01 2008 : 09:51:19
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I stern into my dock. What irritates me is someone following me closely when I get ready to pivot into the slip. Horn or no horn - they always seem surprised.
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Dusty Rhoads
RO# 10868
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Posted - Jul 01 2008 : 14:00:18
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I do for mainly Garys' reason,,to make sure they work. I also know the air compressor is full and ready.
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Homeport: Annapolis, MD
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Perry
RO# 3836
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Posted - Jul 01 2008 : 14:09:51
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I do it as I leave my marina for the canal. Limited sight and the current is very swift at times.
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Homeport: Shinnecock
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In the know
RO# 20824
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Posted - Jul 01 2008 : 14:14:59
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I used to because I would leave to go fishing aroun 4:00 - 4:30 or so and I new my old slip neighbor was up to 2:00 or so drinking up a storm.
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Reel Antsy
RO# 9587
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Posted - Jul 01 2008 : 14:41:50
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My dock is covered. When I'm leaving, I'm up on the bridge. The cover over the slips block the view of the fairway from that height, so...I do sound the horn when the admiral is not up forward on the bow, looking out as I leave the slip.
Also, when mother duck and her little ones are nearby. :-)
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Veg
RO# 20854
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Posted - Jul 01 2008 : 15:59:59
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I don't, because if I did, I'd be the ONLY one at the marina doing it, and I'm sure I'd get quite a few "what the ____" stares. I'm in my second season of boating at this marina, and haven't heard a horn go off once.
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GeeBee
RO# 385
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Posted - Jul 01 2008 : 20:08:30
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At Lake Lanier they would flip you off if you used the horn.
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Homeport: Lake Lanier, GA
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westdelta
RO# 21652
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Posted - Jul 01 2008 : 20:36:25
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The bartender in the restaurant honks at all boats coming or going, so I honk back.
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Ghost
RO# 689
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Posted - Jul 01 2008 : 23:47:44
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Bob I doubt they can hear that little girls bicycle squeezy horn anyway.
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Homeport: Everett Wa
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Skeetobite
RO# 23118
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Posted - Jul 02 2008 : 06:54:26
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One in, two out. Always. We're on the 40' (small boats) dock and it's impossible to see traffic in the other fairways or at the entrance/restaurant dock as we weave our way in and out. Even after sounding the horn, I've been cut off by small boats and dinks more times than I can count.
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blouderback
RO# 24057
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Posted - Jul 02 2008 : 08:21:40
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Ghost, if you took the cotton out of your ears, you'd be able to hear my horn.
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-Bob-
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"Annabo": 2005 Larson Senza 206 w/5.0L Bravo III
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Homeport: Chalfont, Pennsylvania
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dominic
RO# 2355
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Posted - Jul 02 2008 : 08:32:09
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Just so I'm sure of this......
I sound one long on the way out of the marina,fairway, dock etc and I do NOT get a response back. Do I have the right of way to continue? Or..... I DO get one long back.....then what? Do I stop and let the responder continue until clear?
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dominic
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blouderback
RO# 24057
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Posted - Jul 02 2008 : 08:38:59
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My understanding is that it is not necessary for you to get a response back from anyone in order to continue. However, if you get 5 blasts back, then you should not proceed, as this indicates that there is danger or that the other vessel cannot avoid you if you do proceed.
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-Bob-
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"Annabo": 2005 Larson Senza 206 w/5.0L Bravo III
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jul 02 2008 : 09:41:55
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when nearing a bend or corner or whenever you can't see around you need to sounds on prolong blast. The other vessel, should respond, but it doens't mean you must stop or either one is stand on. you just need to proceed carefully... and use good ole common sense. If you think you can't make the turn with another boat coming thru, stop and wait... or call on 16. Most commercial boats do a securité call when they approach a tight blind corner.
when it comes to sound signals, I think most boats are illegal as they are delivered. On a small/medium boat, horns need to be heard ONE mile away. i seriously doubt the little horns some builders install at the bow under a cute little cover can be heard that far. so unless you have a pair of decent trumpets, ghost is right... they're no better than little girls bicycle horns :-)
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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saltysam
RO# 26
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Posted - Jul 02 2008 : 09:52:32
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Everyone should keep in mind that you're playing a safe game when using one prolonged blast when changing status---you are preparing the defense for an injury trial where some small dork claims you were to blame for hitting him as he reached for his cold 6-pack.
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dominic
RO# 2355
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Posted - Jul 02 2008 : 10:22:20
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I agree 100% with using common sense. But I was looking for what the rules interpretation would be.
I would think that the responder becomes stand on vessel because that vessel would be assumed to be already making way where the initiator is intending to go.
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dominic
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jul 02 2008 : 11:02:27
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"I sound one long on the way out of the marina,fairway, dock etc and I do NOT get a response back."
Two different situations here...
1)- on the way out of the marina or fairway, the rules do not give any privilege to either vessel approaching a blind corner.
2)- now if we're talking about a vessel leaving a berth/dock/slip, the proper response by an incoming vessel would be 5 blasts if there isnt enough room in the fairway or channel.
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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hooks
RO# 13083
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Posted - Jul 02 2008 : 11:09:13
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Instead of blasting the horn, the wife looks both ways for traffic, down the channel of the marina, and then gives me the o.k. to pull out....
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Regards, Jim
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dominic
RO# 2355
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Posted - Jul 02 2008 : 11:21:47
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quote:
Originally posted by PascalG
1)- on the way out of the marina or fairway, the rules do not give any privilege to either vessel approaching a blind corner.
That's what I was driving at. The rules say...
(e) A vessel nearing a bend or an area of a channel or fairway where other vessels may be obscured by an intervening obstruction shall sound one prolonged blast. Such signal shall be answered with a prolonged blast by any approaching vessel that may be within hearing around the bend or behind the intervening obstruction.
So after the answer of one long.....then what.....common sense?
The rule says that every 'approaching' vessel that hears your one long should respond with one long....that could get pretty loud!!!
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dominic
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Homeport: Jersey Shore, NJ
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saltysam
RO# 26
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Posted - Jul 02 2008 : 11:25:40
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Common Sense. Sure. This includes doing anything/everything required to avoid collision. And in serious liability cases some courts will walk back the cat as far as checking if you did the correct toothbrush routine in the early morning!
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jul 02 2008 : 11:33:46
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the purpose of sounding one prolonged blast approaching a bend (or blind corner) is for both (or more) vessel to slow down so that they can take action to avoid a collision.
seems pretty obvious that in a marina everyone will be going slow enough to be able to stop instantly rounding a blind corner (like around a dock with a large boat or obstruction)
so, yeah, after both boats have exchanged one long on each side of the blind corner, they should slow down even more and do what it takes. it may mean moving aside or one stopping to let the other one thru.
common sense indeed.
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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WALSHIE
RO# 2124
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Posted - Jul 02 2008 : 11:38:45
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We have a standing rule that you must sound the horn when leaving the slip then again when approaching the entrance (coming or going). Most people do not do this and it's very annoying. Just yesterday I was coming in and a sail boat was coming out. I blew my horn, they did not, we met, I backed off.
One day, two boats collided and I witnessed the whole thing. I was watching a sail boat come in who did not blow his horn. Behind me, I heard a horn and saw a power boat coming down the fair way. It was pretty much too late, they collided at the corner, neither could stop. Luckily there was no damage and nobody was hurt.
I've learned to scan the marina for moving masts as sailboaters are the common offenders.
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Ghost
RO# 689
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Posted - Jul 02 2008 : 15:30:12
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It was the power boats fault. Every sailboater knows that power boats must stay out of the way of sailboats no matter what. ;)
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blouderback
RO# 24057
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Posted - Jul 02 2008 : 15:42:14
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I think I'm gonna start living by the letter of the law. It's gonna be fun blasting my little beep beep horn everytime I'm at the lake - 3 times when backing off the trailer, once when leaving the courtesy dock, 2 blasts EVERY time I alter my course to port, 1 blast EVERY TIME I turn my wheel to starboard, 1 blast EVERY TIME I pass another boat and leave him to my port, 2 blasts EVERY TIME I pas a boat and leave him to starboard, etc., etc., etc. I'm gonna be the most popular guy on the lake!
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Msibley
RO# 16534
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Posted - Jul 02 2008 : 16:02:17
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quote:
Originally posted by blouderback
I think I'm gonna start living by the letter of the law. It's gonna be fun blasting my little beep beep horn everytime I'm at the lake - 3 times when backing off the trailer, once when leaving the courtesy dock, 2 blasts EVERY time I alter my course to port, 1 blast EVERY TIME I turn my wheel to starboard, 1 blast EVERY TIME I pass another boat and leave him to my port, 2 blasts EVERY TIME I pas a boat and leave him to starboard, etc., etc., etc. I'm gonna be the most popular guy on the lake!
And with that "skipper's hat" of yours, people will remember you fondly while shaking their heads, waving at you with the one-finger salute and covering their childrens' eyes.
Ever see the "Family Guy" on TV, Bob? 
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Veebyes
RO# 11224
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Posted - Jul 06 2008 : 16:44:18
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If there is a navigational need to use the horn, then it is used. For the 'look at me, I have a boat' useless noise making, NO.
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GaryMartin
RO# 14360
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Posted - Jul 07 2008 : 10:39:08
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quote:
Originally posted by blouderback
I think I'm gonna start living by the letter of the law. It's gonna be fun blasting my little beep beep horn everytime I'm at the lake - 3 times when backing off the trailer, once when leaving the courtesy dock, 2 blasts EVERY time I alter my course to port, 1 blast EVERY TIME I turn my wheel to starboard, 1 blast EVERY TIME I pass another boat and leave him to my port, 2 blasts EVERY TIME I pas a boat and leave him to starboard, etc., etc., etc. I'm gonna be the most popular guy on the lake!
Sorry Bob, the rules clearly call for "BLASTS" on the horn, not *beeps* So no beeping for you, you need to put an airhorn on that runabout of yours.
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blouderback
RO# 24057
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Posted - Jul 07 2008 : 12:26:29
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No problem. Since my boat is under 20 meters, My "whistle" (the generic term for a sound signalling device) needs to produce a sound in the 250-525 HZ range, and be audible for 1/2 mile. I just tested it with a Hertzometer, and I am in that Hz range, and someone a mile away heard it, so I guess I'm OK.
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Radiowaves
RO# 14642
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Posted - Jul 07 2008 : 12:41:05
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My horn Sucks !!! for some reason on the Sea Ray sport cruisers 28’-38’ they put this dinky horn on. I can’t spell the sound it makes, but something like ENE ENE….
If I really need to blow a horn loud, I use my VHF fog horn on manual. I also carry a hand held under the helm.
I only use the horn for safety when needed. Not to grand stand leaving my dock.
But, I will admit to once I did when no one was leaving the dock on a nice day. We have these dock potatoes who were sitting at the end of the dock in the same chair when I went to bed, woke up, did errands, readied the boat and they were in the same spot. So I tooted a couple of times when passing them.
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chriscraft67
RO# 12563
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Posted - Jul 07 2008 : 19:25:47
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We long ago gave up on marine electrical horns and shifted to air horns. The electric ones are junk in my opinion and the worst part is, who is going to hear them when you need them? We boat in fog some of the time and the rules for navigating in fog are clear: use a sound-producing device. In our case, that means navigating in as little as 200 ft visibility and you can bet, we use the horn.
When leaving our marina, we have to back around another boat that is tied directly behind us on our T-head and then into a fairway. Do I use the three blasts for running astern? You bet, even if it alarms the marina-queens drinking at our dock.
To keep any marine horn working, you have to use it, otherwise the vibrating element in the horn will freeze over with corossion.
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WALSHIE
RO# 2124
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Posted - Jul 08 2008 : 10:13:02
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I for one find it beneficial to know if someone else is leaving their slip as I'm untying. Sure, I look around before untying but it takes about a good minute to untie. I try to look again but I'm usually focused on my boat, my passengers, backing and turning.
Too many times I've been surprised by a boat popping up. Our fairways are tight and my boat is wide, I'd like to avoid a passing if possible.
Again, it's a standing rule in our marina to blow horn when leaving slip and when exiting or entering the basin. It's a rule I agree with.
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