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steve mcguire
RO# 27937
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 Posted - Mar 04 2010 : 21:51:19
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I can solve the problem, I have a dock side power cord holder for sale in the classified section. See no more worries. STeve
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Capt. Bill1
RO# 2017
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Posted - Mar 04 2010 : 21:54:54
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Originally posted by seabug
A few years ago, a 12 y/o boy took a swim while his dad was getting the boat ready for departure; it was learned too late that a neighbor-boater had let the 50 amp cord fall into the water. The boy was electrocuted. Fresh water is a weak electrolyte, but salt water is supper ionic.
Fresh water is far more dangerous than salt.
Because of it's lower conductivity more current goes into/through a persons body than in saltwater as I recall.
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Cpt. Harold
RO# 29184
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Posted - Mar 04 2010 : 22:07:44
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Like a faraday cage effect? Interesting.
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Homeport: Boqueron, Puerto Rico
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giolic
RO# 23638
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Posted - Mar 04 2010 : 23:34:00
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boatpoker,
that's to much reading for a cabin fever yankee like me to read. Can you find me a video on the topic instead.....
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gcolton
RO# 9708
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 : 05:16:09
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quote:
Originally posted by Capt. Bill1
quote:
Originally posted by seabug
A few years ago, a 12 y/o boy took a swim while his dad was getting the boat ready for departure; it was learned too late that a neighbor-boater had let the 50 amp cord fall into the water. The boy was electrocuted. Fresh water is a weak electrolyte, but salt water is supper ionic.
Fresh water is far more dangerous than salt.
Because of it's lower conductivity more current goes into/through a persons body than in saltwater as I recall.
V = IR
I = V/R
Therefore the higher the resistance the lower the current.
George
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 : 06:19:47
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"Fresh water is far more dangerous than salt.
Because of it's lower conductivity more current goes into/through a persons body than in saltwater as I recall."
indeed this why almost all of these accidents occur in fresh water
as to jamiko,he'ss a troll who came here ( to what he and a couple of his buddies call boaterdead) just to pick a fight...
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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rommer
RO# 12280
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 : 07:52:00
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Sucks having "fans" eh Pascal! 
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MIke F
RO# 95
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 : 07:52:19
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In fresh water there is a higher electric field gradient for a given voltage/current source than there would be in saltwater. Because of this a person in fresh water has a higher voltage drop across their cross section. This higher voltage drop causes a higher current to flow through their body (compared to the same situation in saltwater).
Interestingly, once there is a current flow through the body, it acts like an electrical resistance in partial series with the freshwater and the freshwater limits the amount of current passing through the body. As a result, the person usually dies because the current is sufficient to inhibit body movement and self-rescue. The person actually dies by drowning.
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rnbenton
RO# 31163
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 : 08:14:44
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Question: If there was a power cord dipping in the water that did have a break in the insulation or whatever that allowed water to intrude wouldn't that cause a short and make the GF at the shore pedestal pop?
Personally, I just don't like the "look" of a power cord dipping in the water regardless of the risk factor. But, then again, I'm the kind of guy who is a neatnik at heart. Heck, I even keep all of my lines Flemished at dockside just because it looks neat and tidy.
Bob
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rommer
RO# 12280
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 : 08:18:54
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Originally posted by rnbenton
Heck, I even keep all of my lines Flemished at dockside just because it looks neat and tidy.
Bob
Ahhh, these were your boat lines then! 
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carver 2557
RO# 11591
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 : 08:32:22
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Originally posted by PascalG
as to jamiko,he'ss a troll who came here ( to what he and a couple of his buddies call boaterdead) just to pick a fight...
Maybe a bit of revenge from what went on here last week...
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PeteMrrs
RO# 4125
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 : 08:33:17
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One simple question. What is the advantage of letting your power chord sit in the water?
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dale
RO# 118
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 : 09:54:53
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Well, it's better than using it as a mooring line, which I have seen. Luck. Dale
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Homeport: Virginia Beach, VA.
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WALSHIE
RO# 2124
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 : 11:15:00
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I will unplug your electricity at our marina if:
A)You are not using a real power cord and B) the cord is unattended OR A)you did not pay for electric and have been warned.
I will remove any approved power cords from the water (but not unplug) and if it persists, talk to you and complain to the officers.
As "utility committe head", I have full support of the membership.
Officially our marina closes as of 10/31 and there were a few boats still in the basin. As part of work detail, I had to cut the power and remove the power lines to bring the docks together for the winter. As a courtesy, I did call and leave messages for anyone in my cell phone I was familiar with that the power is off and they should check their boats.
Flame away.
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yzer
RO# 14523
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 : 11:23:39
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Originally posted by PeteMrrs
One simple question. What is the advantage of letting your power chord sit in the water?
It's a handy place to tie on a crawdad trap.
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vic33004
RO# 27361
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 : 14:58:47
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Pascal, I know that you are an able mariner and know what you are doing. Posting a poll on this is inviting problems for the naive as it seems to condone as sloppy that which is clearly improper. I'm not aware of any shore power cord mfg that is using cable that is rated for underwater use. An SJ, OS, SJOW, OSJ rating are merely water and oil resistant which by NEMA and IP definition is able to withstand water being sprayed on them. This in no way implies they are rated for water submersion.
since i have no doubt your intent here is to educate, i would suggest posting info on here of a shore power cable mfg that is in fact rated for water submersion and to what depth or, redirect the post here as a warning not to immerse these cords in water. It’s not cool to post an opinion poll on whether it’s acceptable to ignore the mfg's specifications on the use of their products.
I don’t mean for this post to come off as criticism or a flame, but the post is very misleading the way it is framed.
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 : 17:22:24
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well i disagree, if look at the result 3/4 of those who responded checked "bad idea"... i think that's pretty clear result
i dont think i or most posters condoned letting cords dip in the water.
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1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
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JLC
RO# 18971
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 : 21:07:51
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quote:
Originally posted by vic33004
Pascal, I know that you are an able mariner and know what you are doing. Posting a poll on this is inviting problems for the naive as it seems to condone as sloppy that which is clearly improper. I'm not aware of any shore power cord mfg that is using cable that is rated for underwater use. An SJ, OS, SJOW, OSJ rating are merely water and oil resistant which by NEMA and IP definition is able to withstand water being sprayed on them. This in no way implies they are rated for water submersion.
since i have no doubt your intent here is to educate, i would suggest posting info on here of a shore power cable mfg that is in fact rated for water submersion and to what depth or, redirect the post here as a warning not to immerse these cords in water. It’s not cool to post an opinion poll on whether it’s acceptable to ignore the mfg's specifications on the use of their products.
I don’t mean for this post to come off as criticism or a flame, but the post is very misleading the way it is framed.
Oyi.... So what...you should not make a poll because the naive may read it then go out and perform the worst case scenario question?
Here is a new poll for the chronically naive.
"You get on your boat and you smell gas fumes do you.....
A) Get off your boat, grab a fire extinguisher and then carefully look for its source?
B) Sit down and light a cigar to ponder what your next move is.
C) Open your engine cover up and squirt Dawn into the bilge then fire the engines up, because that's what you do when you spill gas over board filling up the outboard.
D) Say "my engine is a diesel, it must be the boat next door, fire the engines up and then remember its your car that's a diesel not your boat.
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circaburns1
RO# 29565
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Posted - Mar 05 2010 : 21:38:01
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Originally posted by Cpt. Harold
Some people just don't know how to argue or defend a point without
resorting to insults. They just can't.
Hmmm. I did say 'stupid' and 'irresponsible' didn't I. They were not intended as insults,
Just a fact.
If you took them as an insult, then the shoe must fit.
IMO it is indefensible to argue an above water power cord that is water resistant can be for the most case be left submerged.
As for the argument that all power cords look the same (yes they are straight and can coil and may be the same color and conduct electricity) - therefore must be same. That's wrong.
And for those who say what's good for DC bilge wiring is good for AC wiring - well that's just plain disturbing.
I do wonder though how many inexperienced boaters out there who read this thread and see the ambivalent posts condoning what I believe to be the improper (read: stupid and irresponsible if you wish) laying of power cords through water and deem it as OK.
Ice-eaters - I do not pretend to be an expert on cords, although as an importer of corded consumer products for more than 25 years - I do know there are literally hundreds of different types of cords all looking the same but manufactured entirely differently and all rated for different purposes. But I can guarantee you that ice-eater cords and shore power cords will have been tested (and passed) to different standards.
And lastly any warning label that is attached to or forms part of a power cord is there for a reason. Some may believe it is there to redirect liability and that would be correct. But it's also there because it would be stupid or irresponsible (darn there I go again - must get my thesaurus out) to not warn against the real life threatening dangers of immersion.
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HOGAN
RO# 3813
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 Posted - Mar 06 2010 : 08:22:33
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quote:
Originally posted by circaburns1
IMO it is indefensible to argue an above water power cord that is water resistant can be for the most case be left submerged.
Even though you preface it with "IMO", it most obviously IS defensible, as evidenced by the posts defending it!
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Mar 06 2010 : 08:38:00
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Pascal,
Don't ever go to Chumplins. You will see powercords everywhere, in water, across boats, wrapped around bimini poles. My powercord fried after someone kicked it, can u imagine if it burned, it would of left a nice brown line on someone's boat.
I personally don't think powercord are meant to be in the water and I regularly will adjust people's cords so they are not in the water. Can't imagne why anyone would want them in!
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circaburns1
RO# 29565
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Posted - Mar 06 2010 : 09:59:45
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Originally posted by HOGAN
quote:
Originally posted by circaburns1
IMO it is indefensible to argue an above water power cord that is water resistant can be for the most case be left submerged.
Even though you preface it with "IMO", it most obviously IS defensible, as evidenced by the posts defending it!
Yes, apparently.
This quote from USCG:
If a shore power cord should become immersed in
water, it should be immediately sprayed with fresh
water, THOROUGHLY dried, and blades and contact
slots sprayed with a moisture displacement before
re-using.
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Audrey II
RO# 30499
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Posted - Mar 06 2010 : 10:03:59
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I'm surprised to see so much anger here. Not everyone has the same level of experience and knowledge when it comes to both boating and electricity. The point of this forum is to help bridge the gap from those how know and those that don't. Not everyone is going to agree about everything that is just human nature. Bottom line is there is no reason for anyone to get nasty and insult.
As for me stray current scares me. I would never leave my cord in the water there is no way anyone can look at a good and know it is good you can look at a cord and know it is bad why take a chance.
Water and electricity don't mix I would say just ask this guy but it's too late.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35650429/
Now that has to hurt.
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Capt. Bill1
RO# 2017
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Posted - Mar 06 2010 : 11:44:18
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quote:
Originally posted by circaburns1
quote:
Originally posted by HOGAN
quote:
Originally posted by circaburns1
IMO it is indefensible to argue an above water power cord that is water resistant can be for the most case be left submerged.
Even though you preface it with "IMO", it most obviously IS defensible, as evidenced by the posts defending it!
Yes, apparently.
This quote from USCG:
If a shore power cord should become immersed in
water, it should be immediately sprayed with fresh
water, THOROUGHLY dried, and blades and contact
slots sprayed with a moisture displacement before
re-using.
Note the "blades and contact slots" part.
FYI, nobody is advocating letting the end of a power cord lay in the water.
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Homeport: Sarasota/Ft. Lauderdale
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psalzer
RO# 4570
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Posted - Mar 06 2010 : 12:00:35
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"I'm surprised to see so much anger here."
AudreyII Nor really anger, just the end of a long winter ... many here are passionate about their opinions!! There are a couple who just join to
be aggrivating!
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circaburns1
RO# 29565
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Posted - Mar 06 2010 : 20:12:53
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quote:
Originally posted by Capt. Bill1
quote:
Originally posted by circaburns1
quote:
Originally posted by HOGAN
quote:
Originally posted by circaburns1
IMO it is indefensible to argue an above water power cord that is water resistant can be for the most case be left submerged.
Even though you preface it with "IMO", it most obviously IS defensible, as evidenced by the posts defending it!
Yes, apparently.
This quote from USCG:
If a shore power cord should become immersed in
water, it should be immediately sprayed with fresh
water, THOROUGHLY dried, and blades and contact
slots sprayed with a moisture displacement before
re-using.
Note the "blades and contact slots" part.
FYI, nobody is advocating letting the end of a power cord lay in the water.
I believe the USCG warning covers the entire power cord not just the plug.
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circaburns1
RO# 29565
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Posted - Mar 06 2010 : 20:29:11
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Originally posted by Audrey II
I'm surprised to see so much anger here. Not everyone has the same level of experience and knowledge when it comes to both boating and electricity. The point of this forum is to help bridge the gap from those how know and those that don't. Not everyone is going to agree about everything that is just human nature. Bottom line is there is no reason for anyone to get nasty and insult.
As for me stray current scares me. I would never leave my cord in the water there is no way anyone can look at a good and know it is good you can look at a cord and know it is bad why take a chance.
Water and electricity don't mix I would say just ask this guy but it's too late.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35650429/
Now that has to hurt.
Sigh. I'm not sure but I hope the anger bit is not directed at me. Because I'm not angry. I am a bit disturbed though by what I view as ambivalent posts on what should be seen as a really important safety issue. Less experienced boaters may be misdirected by many of the replies. And this does no-one any good.
As a concession to my choice of words, I am happy to replace stupid with silly and irresponsible with rash. I hope any offense is mitigated but the message is not.
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Cpt. Harold
RO# 29184
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Posted - Mar 07 2010 : 12:23:09
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As a concession to my choice of words, I am happy to replace stupid with silly and irresponsible with rash. I hope any offense is mitigated but the message is not.
There you go. Now the point is well taken and it still gets across...
Now we are all in agreement. A shore power cord should NEVER be allowed to touch the water.
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Capt. Bill1
RO# 2017
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Posted - Mar 07 2010 : 15:21:23
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quote:
Originally posted by Cpt. Harold
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As a concession to my choice of words, I am happy to replace stupid with silly and irresponsible with rash. I hope any offense is mitigated but the message is not.
There you go. Now the point is well taken and it still gets across...
Now we are all in agreement. A shore power cord should NEVER be allowed to touch the water.
Correct.
In fact it rained most of the day here so several hours ago I unplugged all the boats at the marina and then dried and stored all their cords in a shed to keep them out of the water.
Oops, got ta go. There is a crowd of boat owners gathering out side my boat right now yelling something and throwing thawed meat on my deck.
Must mean they want to thank me by having a BBQ in my honor.
"OK, OK, calm down. I'll be out in a second. And watch were you are squirting that lighter fluid will ya. My grill is on the top deck for crying out loud."
People in Puerto Rico are so appreciative.
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GaryP
RO# 15124
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 : 15:58:35
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I've heard if you put a few coils in the cord underwater with a net on one end, that a fish will die as it swims thru and you have supper! I haven't caught any yet but I haven't given up either :)
Why is it that forums tend to attract a few people who insist on telling the rest of the world what to do?
What about GFI's? I'm pretty sure the marina is using them.
There's alot more important stuff in life and in boating to worry about than a cord hanging in the water. That should fire someone up.
I suppose that it could be very difficult or impossible to avoid in an area with large tides and fixed docks.
FYI, I try to never let mine touch the water, think its bad "marinamanship" to do so (seamanship is while underway), and I'm amazed at the number of posts put into this simple question...of course I took the time to add my 2 cents too!
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circaburns1
RO# 29565
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 : 20:43:27
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GaryP: GFI's are not infallible. They do fail. I have observed several boat owners by-pass them because they have an earth-leakage somewhere and it keeps tripping. I believe it is not impossible to hang a cord free of the water in high tide/fixed dock situations. A properly positioned dock-pole will do the trick. This forum is here in part as a Q&A. If any of my posts come across as advising people what to do in a certain situation, isn't that the point? And I believe posts that suggest to leave a power cord immersed in water is OK because they are ambivalent, unaware of the dangers or too lazy to properly locate it are misleading at best. And tragic at worse. It is no different than running an outdoor power cable into your swimming pool, out the other side while drilling holes in your fence. Jump in kids, the water's just fine.
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RO# 27413
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 : 21:14:35
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Power cords do not belong in the water just as indoor extension cords should not be used to electrify outdoor lights of any kind. But people do both. Are they wrong? Sure. Should we be angry with them. NO. We should help them understand that what they are doing is incorrect, why it's incorrect, and how to avoid doing something that is incorrect. That's the purpose of forums and communication in general. So, people, let's help those who don't understand to understand; let's not ridicule, insult, or belittle them. I'm sure there are other things that you and I do related to boating or other activities which are equally as incorrect as letting a power cord droop into the water. I, for one, accept and appreciate advice from those who know more about boating than I do. Their experience and knowledge is priceless. So, let's share it, not use it to beat someone into submission. Hy
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RO# 20033
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 : 22:21:58
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See what happens when I go out on the boat for the weekend, all hell breaks loose! OK for some of your concerns from page one, about me un-plugging the boat 2 slips from me, yes I did un-plug the dam thing. It was a derilict boat, the owner abandoned the boat and the cord was in the water eating up my zincs. After un-plugging it, I did tell the dock master about it and he said it was ok to do so because the boat was being removed in a few weeks. So thats my story and I'm sticken to it. I think I had every right to un-plud an un-safe boat that is causing harm to other property, and if you dock your boat next to mine and I see something wrong that is affecting my boat or my safety, bet your bottom dollar I will do something about it, and ask questions later. Take it up with management!
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Ocean Spray
RO# 20033
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 : 22:24:02
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Circaburns, Don't worry about insulting anyone on here! You used the word STUPID and it is just that, STUPID. besides, Iam still laughing at all the comments, good and bad, its making my day! Love to laugh!
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littlebookworm
RO# 27413
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Posted - Mar 08 2010 : 23:09:12
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Cap. Pat: Don't get me wrong. I would do exactly what you did. I just think that members attacking other members because of differing opinions and/or lack of knowledge is wrong. You don't educate someone by insulting them. Safe boating, all. Hy
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JLC
RO# 18971
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Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 06:55:57
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quote:
Originally posted by Ocean Spray
about me un-plugging the boat 2 slips from me, yes I did un-plug the dam thing. It was a derilict boat, the owner abandoned the boat and the cord was in the water eating up my zincs.
How did you know your zincs were being eaten up?
I can't see mine until the boat is pulled.
You must have an outdrive or an outboard.
Anywho.... if the boat was abandoned, maybe the battery's were dead or missing and someone put a 110v automatic bilge pump in it to keep it afloat.
Your unplugging it could of sunk that boat and then there would have been a REAL electrical problem, not to mention a fuel mess ...bla bla bla.
I like this saying.
"Your business......mind it"
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jamikito
RO# 32039
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Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 11:07:14
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quote:
Originally posted by Ocean Spray
See what happens when I go out on the boat for the weekend, all hell breaks loose! OK for some of your concerns from page one, about me un-plugging the boat 2 slips from me, yes I did un-plug the dam thing. It was a derilict boat, the owner abandoned the boat and the cord was in the water eating up my zincs. After un-plugging it, I did tell the dock master about it and he said it was ok to do so because the boat was being removed in a few weeks. So thats my story and I'm sticken to it. I think I had every right to un-plud an un-safe boat that is causing harm to other property, and if you dock your boat next to mine and I see something wrong that is affecting my boat or my safety, bet your bottom dollar I will do something about it, and ask questions later. Take it up with management!
How do you know it was that boat eating up your zincs? While you are busy bragging about doing something to someone elses boat, remember if it gets damaged as a result of what you did, you bought it buddy.
It's the responsibility of the management to address such a situation not yours.
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KiDa
RO# 16492
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Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 11:14:19
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quote:
Originally posted by jamikito
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Originally posted by Ocean Spray
See what happens when I go out on the boat for the weekend, all hell breaks loose! OK for some of your concerns from page one, about me un-plugging the boat 2 slips from me, yes I did un-plug the dam thing. It was a derilict boat, the owner abandoned the boat and the cord was in the water eating up my zincs. After un-plugging it, I did tell the dock master about it and he said it was ok to do so because the boat was being removed in a few weeks. So thats my story and I'm sticken to it. I think I had every right to un-plud an un-safe boat that is causing harm to other property, and if you dock your boat next to mine and I see something wrong that is affecting my boat or my safety, bet your bottom dollar I will do something about it, and ask questions later. Take it up with management!
How do you know it was that boat eating up your zincs? While you are busy bragging about doing something to someone elses boat, remember if it gets damaged as a result of what you did, you bought it buddy.
It's the responsibility of the management to address such a situation not yours.
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RO# 20824
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Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 11:17:43
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Originally posted by Ocean Spray
See what happens when I go out on the boat for the weekend, all hell breaks loose! OK for some of your concerns from page one, about me un-plugging the boat 2 slips from me, yes I did un-plug the dam thing. It was a derilict boat, the owner abandoned the boat and the cord was in the water eating up my zincs. After un-plugging it, I did tell the dock master about it and he said it was ok to do so because the boat was being removed in a few weeks. So thats my story and I'm sticken to it. I think I had every right to un-plud an un-safe boat that is causing harm to other property, and if you dock your boat next to mine and I see something wrong that is affecting my boat or my safety, bet your bottom dollar I will do something about it, and ask questions later. Take it up with management!
How did you know the boat was abandoned? For all you knew, the owner paid his slip fee just like you did.
How did you know it was eating your Zincs?
You, as the self procliamed mayor of your own dock, had no right to unplug anothers boat.
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RO# 27413
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Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 15:00:24
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You know; you're right; I'm wrong. I have no right to unplug anyone else's power cord. Thinking about what was said here hit me on the head just like Dinozo gets hit by Gibbs on NCIS! I stand corrected. I promise not to touch another's power cord unless someone's life is in danger. I will, however, report such an incident to the marina's staff. It's their responsibility to deal with it. In addition, if I happen to see the owner of the offending cord, I will suggest that it not be left dangling and might even help that person secure it properly. I aslo am amazed at how long this thread has become. I guess this topic is really important to many people on the site. Hy
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RO# 18971
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Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 16:15:05
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My old man has an old sail boat. Its 32ft long, and he pays $4500 a summer for a slip that includes power, water & cable TV.
He does not have a TV, he uses my hose to fill his water tank, his boat WAS NEVER wired for shore power, its rigged for 12V lights, water pump, the head is a manual flush, he uses an ice box with real ice, no refrig, hes been sailing for 80 years non stop.
So if he takes an orange cord from his car and plugs it into the 110 GFI, strings it over his bow rail to run a fan on night...are the dock police going to unplug him whiles he's sleeping?
Do we really have the right to police other people?
If the hose someone is running to their boat's house water is green instead of an approved white drinking water type, should we run and shut off the water, then unscrew the hose and let it dangle?
Is the next thing I'm going to hear from "Ocean Spray" is that the shore power cord was seen twice dipping in the water so he unplugged it and then cut the end off?
To many chiefs and not enough Indians at someones marina I think.
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jeff_c
RO# 25917
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Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 16:33:47
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Sooo...now that (almost) everyone agrees that a shore power cord is basically designed to go from an appropriate outlet directly to the boat without dangling in the water, what creative solution can I use to run shorepower from my boat on a floating dock that experiences anywhere from 3-5' (sometimes more) of tide to an outlet that is fixed on a pole way above any potential water line?
Admittedly in the past I have left a loop in the water along the bulkhead to compensate for the tides. Obviously, consensus or not, this is not the best solution. I haven't seen them but are there some kind of cord reels that will feed and uptake the slack?
TIA
Jeff
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RO# 12280
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Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 17:53:32
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Originally posted by jeff_c
Sooo...now that (almost) everyone agrees that a shore power cord is basically designed to go from an appropriate outlet directly to the boat without dangling in the water
Ahhh yes, just like the "scientific consensus" that proves the global warming myth.
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RO# 18971
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Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 18:01:05
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Necessity is the mother of invention!!!
Ronco & I proudly present; The floating shore power cord!!!
I called Billy Mays on this but he was laying down his wife said, so I ended up with Ron Popiel.
I offered him 50% of the take for the floating cord idea and he was delighted.
We have videos with me saying " Why store that 50' shore power cord on deck where people can trip all over it? Just plug it in and throw it all overboard it floats!!! Always handy always out of your way"
It doubles as a life line and is UL & Coast Guard approved for towing. You can even water ski with it. Or you can attach this water proof light to the end and inspect the bottom of your boat, or just walk around the bottom looking for that nut you dropped last year.
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RO# 7934
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Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 18:23:01
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I love it!!!
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RO# 29565
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Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 21:52:37
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OK so the thread has taken a few twists. Consensus appears to be overwhelmingly in agreement it is unsafe and irresponsible to let your shore power cord dangle in the water. It is a major safety issue affecting not only the user but those around them. Electrocution is not something to be made light of.
As for unplugging someone else's cord that's a no-no unless I believe it is a distinct safety issue that is unlikely to be remedied in the short term. I would most likely have done what Ocean Spray did under the exact same circumstances on the proviso I was strongly of the opinion my zinc's were being attacked by stray current from this particular boat - but for the reason there is something wrong with this power cord that allows stray current into the water - the danger signs are already there. And then it should be the marina management's responsibility to investigate and remedy the problem and the onus goes back on them.
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JohnC
RO# 204
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Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 23:21:03
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Admittedly in the past I have left a loop in the water along the bulkhead to compensate for the tides. Obviously, consensus or not, this is not the best solution. I haven't seen them but are there some kind of cord reels that will feed and uptake the slack?
Jeff, I do the same, depending on the tide part of my shorepower cord sometimes dips into the water. Personally I'd be more concerned about a cord reel automatically adjusting for slack failing and end up putting pressure on the outlet connection and causing a bigger problem than having a small amount of it in the water.
For those asking why anyone would ever have their shorepower cord in the water, that's your answer. With a fixed dock and a reasonably large tide swing depending on the location of the shorepower connection on shore and the power inlet on the boat it can be difficult in my experience to adjust the shorepower cord so that it never touches the water while at the same time eliminating the possibility of there being tension on the cord during all tide cycles.
BTW, I had my ice eater out today and I have a hard time believing the insulation on the wire for it is any thicker than the insulation on my 50amp shorepower cord.
John
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rommer
RO# 12280
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Posted - Mar 09 2010 : 23:25:14
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Originally posted by JohnC
BTW, I had my ice eater out today and I have a hard time believing the insulation on the wire for it is any thicker than the insulation on my 50amp shorepower cord.
John
I'd even venture to say it's thinner.
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circaburns1
RO# 29565
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Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 05:47:48
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Originally posted by rommer
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Originally posted by JohnC
BTW, I had my ice eater out today and I have a hard time believing the insulation on the wire for it is any thicker than the insulation on my 50amp shorepower cord.
John
I'd even venture to say it's thinner.
I believe it is not a issue on thickness but grade of plastic and internal construction.
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HOGAN
RO# 3813
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 Posted - Mar 10 2010 : 06:08:28
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My shore power cords came with a big tag that said, "Do Not Remove This Tag".
I immediately removed it...
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