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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 05 2011 : 17:05:07
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Just got home awhile ago and unloaded. Got tanks and a stove now.
2300 kms (1430 miles) and 11 States in 4 1/2 days. It was a good trip. Now the fun and games are over. Back to boat building.
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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Flutterby
RO# 14378
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Posted - Aug 05 2011 : 23:49:23
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I lost all my bookmarks. Can you post the link to your blog again? Thanks!
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Homeport: California Sierras/Gold Country
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 06 2011 : 05:51:59
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Sure Flutters. http://she-kon.blogspot.com/ Haven't updated it in while though. I'll get to that today.
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 10 2011 : 10:58:17
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Lori & I glassed the underside of the main cabin roof yesterday. It took twice as long and used twice as much epoxy as I estimated. Doh!
Only a few minor puddles and hardly any dry spots at all. We had to work it in really hard. A bubble buster on an extendable pole helped a lot. We used the Sticky Stuff dispenser with the static mixing nozzles again too. That also helped not having to mix epoxy as we worked. Temps were in the low 70's so we had plenty of working time. Next step is to flip this monster and tape the seam on the top. Once that's done I'll likely do the fwd cabin roof and fwd deck undersides.
I've also got to climb up on top of the shed and fix a few holes. I have one good size rip about a foot long near the back. The Dr. Shrink tape is apparently only good for about a year. Probably all the stretching & shrinking as the plastic heats and cools.
That's 'bout it for now. Jeep is in the garage for new back brakes. *sigh*
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 14 2011 : 05:30:07
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Update: Last night, with the help of a few friends, we manged to get the cabin roof out of the shed and stowed. It was nice to get that out of the way. Only the fwd cabin roof and the fore deck to be glassed on their undersides then we can dismantle the long table and setup the strongback. Sorry no pics, I was a lil' preoccupied.
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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 Posted - Aug 15 2011 : 10:24:08
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The last two panels that I have to glass will be ready tomorrow morning and then the long table can come apart.
These are the fwd cabin top and foredeck. Doing these now upside down on the long table will avoid having to do them later and working overhead. Glass laid out. I used up some more of the 33 oz stuff along the center of each. This is where there'll be cutouts for windlass and hatch etc. It'll be plenty strong (fingers crossed).
All glassed and epoxied. It went a lot better this time. Temps in the shed were 20 degs C. which gives plenty of working time to mix and roll out single handed.
I put some exaggerated curve into the panels to help them fit when they go on the forms. They'll spring back likely flat but some of the stress will be out of them when they go on.
Just like the disassembly of the "Tower of Pain & Suffering" I'm really looking forward to taking the long table apart. I've been looking forward to setting up the strongback and forms so I'll at least have something that looks like a boat.
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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Audrey II
RO# 30499
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Posted - Aug 15 2011 : 19:51:25
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I'm looking forward to the pictures of when it starts looking like a boat! It's hard to get a feel for how all the peaces will come together.
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Dave
I just wish common sense was a little more common.
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Homeport: Haverstraw, NY
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walterv
RO# 12640
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Posted - Aug 15 2011 : 20:23:26
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Rick,
Right there with Dave, love the steps, and appreciate being able to follow this, love it and thank you. But on that note, this is starting to feel like the girl I wanted to nail and never got :) Love the thread, love the progress, dieing to see the end result, thanks for the ride.
Walter
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 15 2011 : 20:42:14
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Working in such a tight space means doing one epoxy job that takes an hour then waiting 23 for it cure. It slows things down a lot. As soon as the strongback gets setup you'll see how it comes together.
This are from other builders.
The long panels I showed earlier will get laid on the forms and stitched together. Once that's done we fiberglass the outside.
I know it's slow going. I gave myself 3 yrs to complete this project so I'm doing pretty good I think. Time will tell I guess.
Thanks for looking in. It's nice to know someone's watching. ;-)
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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SteveG
RO# 2657
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Posted - Aug 15 2011 : 22:08:53
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Wow, really coming along nicely. I'm really enjoying watching you do this Rick! Keep it up...
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Homeport: NH Seacoast & Lakes Region
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 16 2011 : 13:39:34
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Thanks everybody. The words of encouragement help a lot.
Today was "clean up the boat shed" day!
First task was to trim and stow the panels you saw the other day. Now that they're out of the way it's time to disassemble the long table.
Puzzle pieces for the strongback. I think I have everything I need. I'll re-read the instructions again tonight.
It looks big and empty now but it'll get filled up pretty quick!
That's it. I'm pooped, time for a nappy!
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 17 2011 : 13:44:10
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This strongback thing has me a lil' baffled but I'll figure it out. It was well over 90 degs (34C) in the shed this afternoon so I had to pack it in and cool off before I got much done.
I'm working directly on the ground which isn't very level so I have to plumb and level each of the 10 post blocks that'll support the strongback.
Well at least I think I started out plumb and level. Next task was to square up the second post.
My little laser level didn't have enough power to see in the daylight so I'll go out after dark and see how I did with just a framing square and spirit level.
This is as far as I got before it got too hot and I had to bug out to get cooled off.
Hopefully tomorrow I'll get the verticals up ready to attached the forms.
The project supervisor pestered me constantly this morning so if there's any mistakes made it's his fault!
That's it for now. Time for a cool beverage. Cheers!
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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rblochli
RO# 644
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Posted - Aug 17 2011 : 19:38:12
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Looking good! Enjoy the beverages!
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Homeport: Forked River, NJ
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 18 2011 : 11:59:37
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Thanks Bob. Appreciate it. The beverages were indeed refreshing.
I've setup the first form on the strongback. Spent some extra time on this one to get it plumb and level so that I've got a good foundation to work off of with the rest. The laser will show me the proper height & center for the remaining forms.
It's setup dead nuts on the centerline. I did it this way because the tripod isn't high 'nuff to reach the baseline that's cut onto the forms. I'd only be tripping over the tripod anyways.
I'll be setting up the verticals that hold the forms and will need a little help once I get to the transom form.
Hoping to have it all setup by Saturday. Standby...
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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Capt. Bill1
RO# 2017
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Posted - Aug 18 2011 : 12:18:06
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Coming along nicely I see. Pet the supervisor once in a while for me. :-)
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The two most common elements on Earth are oxygen and stupidity.
Great, now take it to NBR. |
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Homeport: Sarasota/Ft. Lauderdale
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 18 2011 : 12:45:49
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quote:
Originally posted by Capt. Bill1
Coming along nicely I see. Pet the supervisor once in a while for me. :-)
He tells me he's got a whole in his Scratchy Tank. So every time I fill it up he's back in 10 minutes for more.
What a freakin' pest sometimes! ;-)
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 18 2011 : 16:23:30
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I just had to throw Frame E up to see how it looked! Wow, it's going to be tight. I'll have 2' on this side and about 3 on the workbench side.
Probably won't get much done tomorrow. I need my helper buddy's hands to help put the forms up. He's not available till Saturday.
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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Thudpucker
RO# 10503
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Posted - Aug 18 2011 : 17:41:29
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Rick I dont think I ever lived in a House that had a foundation as well laid out as your Strongback is.
So is this really a boat your building or are you downgrading to an easier house to afford?
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Homeport: AL.
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 18 2011 : 18:26:00
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I could very easily live in there Thud with a few amenities and conjugal visits! ;-) It might get a lil' chilly in the winter but I could survive. ;-) I think it's genetic, over engineering stuff. Reminds me of one of my favorite quotes: "If it breaks, make it stronger. If it's not broke, try harder!" = Author unknown but it certainly applies to most things I make. This boat will be no different.
Still considering a bow shed to replace your machine shed Thud?
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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BillK
RO# 775
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Posted - Aug 19 2011 : 20:10:59
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"Were gonna need a bigger shed."
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Homeport: Lake Tillery, NC
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Aug 19 2011 : 20:25:58
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looking good! it gets interesting when the pile of frames, stringers, etc.. start looking like a real boat!
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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dl2525
RO# 31205
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Posted - Aug 19 2011 : 20:44:04
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Stitch and glue, glue and stitch....
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Homeport: NJ
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 19 2011 : 20:45:32
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quote:
Originally posted by BillK
"Were gonna need a bigger shed."
Ayup! 
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 19 2011 : 20:47:06
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quote:
Originally posted by PascalG
looking good! it gets interesting when the pile of frames, stringers, etc.. start looking like a real boat!
Yours must be in the water by now eh Pascal? I gotta go find your thread.
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Aug 19 2011 : 23:43:31
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I wish... I ll post some pics this weekend, working on the decks right now. Hope to start planking in a couple of weeks... Been slow lately as we has a charter and spent almost 2 weeks up north...
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 20 2011 : 11:47:36
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Oh Boy!
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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pdecat
RO# 842
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Posted - Aug 20 2011 : 11:55:29
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You are building a BAB "big ass boat"
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Homeport: Gulf Coast FL
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BillK
RO# 775
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Posted - Aug 20 2011 : 13:11:56
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How are going get it out and turned rightside up?
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Homeport: Lake Tillery, NC
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Audrey II
RO# 30499
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Posted - Aug 20 2011 : 16:15:58
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Now we're talking, it's starting to look like a boat! Looks like you're making good headway.
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Dave
I just wish common sense was a little more common.
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 21 2011 : 09:42:13
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Yes she is gonna be a big ass boat Bruce. I guess in the grand scheme of things a 31' boat isn't really that big until you try to build one yourself. :-)
It's getting there Dave. I just have to keep plugging away at it. Nobody's gonna do it for me and as the wife always says "you got yourself into this now get yourself out of it!" ;-)
Thanks BillK, one more thing to add to the worry list! *hehehe* It won't be bad getting it out, the hydraulic trailer the local boat hauler has will fit right in the shed to pick it up. I'll have to take the front of the shed off but when I get to that point the whole shed is coming down anyways.
As to flipping it over, well that's going to be a bit of a challenge. I don't want to bring in a crane 'cause I'll have to tear half the shed apart to flip it. It'll likely be a combination of a frame built to allow the hull to roll and some jacks & cable hoists to turn it. I think! ;-)
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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Rick D
RO# 32381
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Posted - Aug 21 2011 : 17:57:04
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Rick,
Been silently following along... you work at quite a pace... everyday, something new!
One question, when you begin to actually put the material (plywood covered in f-glass, I assume) on the frame you currently have, how do join two seams together? In other words, if you were building a roof on your house, you stagger the plywood panels but do so, so that each end is centered on a rafter. On the boat, the bulkhead members you have don't appear thick enough for two sheets to butt up against each other. How do you handle where two pieces join off of a framing member?
--Rick
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Homeport: Guilford, CT
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 21 2011 : 18:15:53
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Thanks for following long Rick. That's a great question and so appropriately timed I almost fell off my chair! ;-) I was just reviewing some photos of another build that's happening in Holland right now.
The panels are "stitched" and the "glued" together in place. Here's how it works, I'll let the photo's tell the story.
I hope that helps. I couldn't of explained it very well but you can see where the Stitch & Glue method gets its name. Once the epoxy glue hardens you can pull the plastic wire ties, sand and tape the seams.
The forms are placed on the stations where the bulkheads will eventually be installed. I don't think any of the seams in the long panels line up with any of the forms.
The glass fabrics specified by the designer are biaxial stitched fabrics with 0/90 and 45/45 deg orientations. A final layer of light knitted glass is added on top to help with the fairing and cosmetics.
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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psalzer
RO# 4570
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Posted - Aug 21 2011 : 18:42:10
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This is getting very interesting now, keep up the good work!
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Homeport: Fayetteville, Ga
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Capt. Bill1
RO# 2017
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Posted - Aug 21 2011 : 18:52:39
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Are you going to put any kind of grounding shoe on the keel?
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The two most common elements on Earth are oxygen and stupidity.
Great, now take it to NBR. |
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Homeport: Sarasota/Ft. Lauderdale
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Thudpucker
RO# 10503
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Posted - Aug 21 2011 : 18:52:56
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[quoteStill considering a bow shed to replace your machine shed Thud?
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Not that I wouldnt if I really had to, but my Health died. From now on I'm just a Spectator.
I'll just watch!
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walterv
RO# 12640
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Posted - Aug 21 2011 : 19:00:39
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Looking Great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And always remember, life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by those moments that take our breath away.
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 21 2011 : 20:18:52
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Originally posted by Capt. Bill1
Are you going to put any kind of grounding shoe on the keel?
I've thought about that Capt. Bill. This photo is from the TW28 that was built in Australia a few years ago.
They have to get into some shallows to fish where there's a lot of oyster shells etc. that litter the bottom. If I remember correctly it's about 1/4" stainless plate.
If we were going to restrict ourselves to the local waters here I probably wouldn't but with plans to venture well beyond our normal range I just might do the same.
Thanks Pete & Walter. Hang in there Thud.
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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Thudpucker
RO# 10503
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Posted - Aug 21 2011 : 21:39:24
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Out in the PacNW we found steel and lag bolts to be the Cheapest for those Skid plates. We had Oyster and Clam beaches to run up on.
One time, out hunting I ran my Rubber boat up onto a beach where the Gulls had been breaking shells.
I spent the better part of a day patching that thing. The broken shells cut it up so bad I nearly ran out of patching material.
Wood boats are better,and metal skids help.
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 22 2011 : 06:50:48
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I'm looking at materials now. Stainless Steel isn't too bad compared to other options, aluminum, steel, lead, UHMW plastic etc. I'll see what I can get from the recyclers.
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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Thudpucker
RO# 10503
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Posted - Aug 22 2011 : 08:48:32
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Stainless is for really big boats that you cant beach to work on. Stainless would be good for you Rick.
Bigger Shed? Yup!
And when it comes to the turn, you'll need a bigger neighborhood!
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 27 2011 : 05:03:53
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Keel Laying Day
Throwing a party with some friends. Pics to follow. Standby.....
PS. Prayers for those in Irene's path. I hope she peters out and you're all safe & Sound.
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 27 2011 : 12:38:32
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I can have my cake and eat it too! :-)
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 28 2011 : 09:34:03
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a good friend, Ray Martin, stopped in to celebrate with us yesterday. Ray is one of the most talented chef's I've ever had the pleasure of working with. He "tossed" this lil' edible arrangement together for us.
Words can't express how grateful we are to everyone that came. :-)
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 29 2011 : 10:56:53
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Party is over. Time to get back to work! ;-)
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 29 2011 : 12:14:02
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Two parts of port side bottom panel being glued together.
It's going to be trickier doing the other side.
I was standing on a 5 gal bucket and still couldn't see the bow! 
That's it for today. More of the same tomorrow.
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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pdecat
RO# 842
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Posted - Aug 29 2011 : 13:19:53
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where is the keel?????
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Bruce
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 29 2011 : 15:52:18
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Originally posted by pdecat
where is the keel?????
It was there Bruce then I went and re-read the instructions that said to put the bottom panels on first! *hehehe* Don't worry it'll go back up soon.
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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jtybt15
RO# 3300
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Posted - Aug 30 2011 : 02:22:35
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Rick, everyone,
Just ran across the little film about wooden boat building...
Titled 'Charlotte'. Really gave me a sense of peace of mind.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/265023/charlotte
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Charlie
There is much to be said, in a world like ours, for taking the world as you find it and fishing with a worm.-Bliss Perry, 1904
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Homeport: Ca
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Aug 30 2011 : 08:09:06
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quote:
Originally posted by jtybt15
Just ran across the little film about wooden boat building...
Titled 'Charlotte'. Really gave me a sense of peace of mind.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/265023/charlotte
I'll have to try to find that video on Youtube. Apparently we're not allowed to view it in Canada! Doh!
Anywho, the second set of bottom panels went up slick as ...... Maybe I'm just getting the hang of it.
Alignment on the stern was perfect. Bow needs a little adjustment which will have to wait till this afternoon.
This girl is starting to show her true size. :-) It's getting hard to get around her and get any pics that show anything of interest.
The glue and tape job on the bottom panels I did yesterday didn't turn out as well as I had hoped. I see using quite a bit of epoxy filler in this area. :-( I'll try to do a better job on the other side. It's a little more difficult working up in the air, maybe I should have stitched them together when I had the long table. Oh well, hind sight is always 20/20 eh?
More later.....
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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KnottyBuoyz
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Posted - Sep 01 2011 : 09:16:53
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The two bottom panels are now one.
I had to stand on tippy toes on the ladder to even see this much.
I've been battering and bruising my shins on the strongback and step ladders for a month now. Finally smartened up and got myself a cheap pair of shin pads. 8)
My friend Peter is launching his Bolger Windemere (Estuary Cruiser) he's built tomorrow so there likely won't be any work done till Saturday.
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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For anyone who's built their own boat....
