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getakey
RO# 32379
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 Posted - Jan 31 2011 : 16:56:06
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What do all you sailors think of the new large cat format for the Cup? I have enjoyed watching the races and in the past there seemed to be a lot of strategy and skill that dictated the winner. More recently seems like new technology and raw boat speed always wins.
I'm thinking the speed of the new cats may liven the race up a lot.
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jan 31 2011 : 17:05:13
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i like it... it stretches the envelope to the limit and that's what the Cup has always been about.
there will not be a big technology gap with those new boats, at least no more than we've seen in the past 20 years. Raw boat speed has always been a big part of the game, but then when a team pushes it to far they pay the price. Remember the Kiwi boat snapping in two and sinking in seconds off San Diego a few years back? they had pushed for raw boat speed and paid the price...
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1970 Hatteras 53 MY
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12' Westphal Catboat
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getakey
RO# 32379
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Posted - Jan 31 2011 : 17:16:25
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I do remember a boat breaking up, but wasn't it the Australian boat racing against the Kiwis?
But back to the next Cup race, I'm really looking forward to it as I just moved my boat into a slip in SF.
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jtybt15
RO# 3300
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Posted - Jan 31 2011 : 18:28:54
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Ever wonder why there's never been a cup race in a crowded port before?
Are all the shipping lines going to do a work around? Making the ferries do it is the easy part but you know how it gets just during the blue angles show one weekend.
When is the cup gonna happen?
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There is much to be said, in a world like ours, for taking the world as you find it and fishing with a worm.-Bliss Perry, 1904
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Homeport: Ca
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getakey
RO# 32379
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Posted - Jan 31 2011 : 18:31:39
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I think it is scheduled for 2013, but there may be some preliminary racing in 2012.
There's a lot of Pier work to be done - they don't have much time
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Homeport: CA
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getakey
RO# 32379
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jtybt15
RO# 3300
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Posted - Feb 01 2011 : 00:09:22
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Just looking at the course, it looks to be about 10 mi. What's the normal course?
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Charlie
There is much to be said, in a world like ours, for taking the world as you find it and fishing with a worm.-Bliss Perry, 1904
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Homeport: Ca
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getakey
RO# 32379
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Posted - Feb 01 2011 : 12:11:39
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This is a complete new format and course. Previous courses were basically straight line upwind turnaround and head back downwind. I believe they usually went up and back 3 times. I did quick search and the 2000 race was an 18.55 mile course
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cwms
RO# 7357
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Posted - Feb 01 2011 : 12:32:24
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quote:
Originally posted by getakey
This is a complete new format and course. Previous courses were basically straight line upwind turnaround and head back downwind. I believe they usually went up and back 3 times. I did quick search and the 2000 race was an 18.55 mile course
I thought the course was always triangular shaped.
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Homeport: VA
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getakey
RO# 32379
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Posted - Feb 01 2011 : 12:40:55
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Now that you mention, think you are right about triangular
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Homeport: CA
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getakey
RO# 32379
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getakey
RO# 32379
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Posted - Feb 28 2011 : 14:06:08
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USA 17 made it into the Bay today. However, I read that there are no plans to sale her as of yet.
Would really like to see it on the bay with the 230 foot mast!
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Homeport: CA
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KiDa
RO# 16492
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Posted - Feb 28 2011 : 14:51:13
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So....I take it these are not 12 meter yachts.
The Oracle boat will cruise at over 30. Using a 10 mile course, the thing will be over in minutes.
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getakey
RO# 32379
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Posted - Feb 28 2011 : 15:01:55
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I'm assuming that they will go around the course multiple times
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KiDa
RO# 16492
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Posted - Feb 28 2011 : 15:18:56
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I know what SF WANTS to do. However to shut down commerce for a sailbote race is insane. I'm thinking they will probably have a nice parade run throught the harbor and head out to the ocean to race. Maybe make the last leg under the bridge and in.
Of co9urse you could use a fully laden cargo ship arriving or departing as a moving obstacle. That would add a little zip to it.
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getakey
RO# 32379
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Posted - Feb 28 2011 : 15:31:05
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There are races all the time on the bay that does not shut down commerce. I know there are going to be a lot of spectator boats, but I doubt there will be more than there are out there when the Blue Angels fly during Fleet Week.
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KiDa
RO# 16492
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Posted - Feb 28 2011 : 15:38:40
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But does the course cross shipping lanes?
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getakey
RO# 32379
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saltysam
RO# 26
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Posted - Feb 28 2011 : 21:34:11
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I wonder if the new cats with their fantastic speed will ever be able to replicate the close quarters thrills of tacking
keelboats making for the upwind mark. Maybe. I believe there will be a lack of intense competition so long as the superfast boats are permitted to have wide variance in design criteria. It was the nearly identical 40-60 foot boats that brought the intensity to match racing as earlier seen in AMERICA'S CUP Races.. We better watch out or the races will be determined within the first few moments. Raw Speed may kill the competition. Maybe ?
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getakey
RO# 32379
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Posted - Mar 01 2011 : 00:24:02
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I'm mixed on this. The cats bring raw excitement, but the older design was exciting in its own way. Which do you think requires more skill?
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Peleka7
RO# 691
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Posted - Mar 01 2011 : 08:12:10
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I liked the last race! In 8 knots of wind the boats were doing over 28 knots. The race comittee had to rent a better boat to keep up. It was fascinating to watch and the race took about the same time as prior, the course being extended because of the dramatic speeds. Few of the "chase fleet" could keep up.
As for strategy and skill...Look at the start of the 1st race...Oracle suckered Alinghi into trying for box position, recovered from being in arrows, gybed on the home stretch to protect position. Best race I ever watched...JMO
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KiDa
RO# 16492
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Posted - Mar 01 2011 : 08:44:21
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Close quarter maneuvering at 30 knots will be exciting. Don't go any faster than you are willing to hit something rule goes out the door (or over the side) here.
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getakey
RO# 32379
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Posted - Mar 01 2011 : 11:54:08
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Anyone know when/where they are going to put USA 17 on display?
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brokenrule2
RO# 32154
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Posted - Mar 29 2011 : 19:23:51
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with all the varied conditions on the bay it should make for a nice race. better that we can anchor out and watch it.
Mike
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Homeport: North S.F. Bay, CA
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getakey
RO# 32379
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Posted - Apr 29 2011 : 11:54:21
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I was hoping that they would get USA 17 on the bay for Opening Day.
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getakey
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