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mjkkemper

RO# 21252

Posted - Feb 10 2011 :  18:47:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I few years ago i took on my first fiberglass build for a swim platform for a 270DA Sea ray. Link below. well i since moved into a different boat and of course am now building another one.

http://www.lakestclair.net/forums/index.ph...mp;#entry839332


I am build this for a 86 Carver 3207 Aft Cabin. with the 80's style aft cabin you have a ladder leading down to the plate form. I am planning on putting a set of Fiberglass stairs down to it for the Kids and ease of access. i also going to incorporate a box/seat on the platform

I started with the stairs making a negative female plug. the boat has some interesting curves so i took quit a few trips to make sure the paper patters where correct. attached is the rough plug i will need to flair the plug and round the inside corners

I will update this post if anyone is interested in its progress





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talexander38

RO# 31109

Posted - Feb 11 2011 :  11:16:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You get it worked out sand on your let us know , you just might be able to sale a few.:)

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talexander38

RO# 31109

Posted - Feb 11 2011 :  11:19:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oh ever looked at making a taller opening from the aft deck to the salon stairs like the 1988 and on 3607/3807' s

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mjkkemper

RO# 21252

Posted - Feb 11 2011 :  12:12:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by talexander38

You get it worked out sand on your let us know , you just might be able to sale a few.:)



I should be finished with the plugs/molds mid March and the fiberglass lay up begging of April. You should be able to get quite a few pulls from these molds. I not sure what I plan doing with the molds when I am finished but if all goes well this could be a option for someone who would like the easy of acess down to the swimplatform and also a larger deck on the 3207.


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mjkkemper

RO# 21252

Posted - Feb 20 2011 :  21:47:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Attached is a sketch of how it will look when finished and so updated pic's









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talexander38

RO# 31109

Posted - Feb 22 2011 :  13:07:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
ok question does the 3207 ,3607 and 3807 share the same measurements aft ? and whats your cost est.?

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mjkkemper

RO# 21252

Posted - Feb 22 2011 :  22:42:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by talexander38

ok question does the 3207 ,3607 and 3807 share the same measurements aft ? and whats your cost est.?



I Believe the 3607 is taller in that you have an additional step. I am not sure on how much taller. Also the beam is wider on the 3607.

Material including hardware should be around 1200+. And my labor which is where I probably saving the most on


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pdecat

RO# 842



Posted - Feb 23 2011 :  07:42:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
impressive work

Bruce



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Audrey II

RO# 30499



Posted - Feb 23 2011 :  14:28:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This looks like quite the project. I can't wait to see the finished product. Looks great so far!

Dave

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BoatCrazy

RO# 30843



Posted - Feb 23 2011 :  15:36:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Im impressed..Looks great.

Ive always wondered why they didnt make the platforms larger for a DC boat..My pops old 43 Viking DC had a small platform..




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mjkkemper

RO# 21252

Posted - Feb 28 2011 :  18:32:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This weekends progress

Added the nonskid pattern and sides for the platform and caulk/rounded the inside corner. Need to round the rest of the corner and paint/ and the tooling gelcote to the platform





http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff498/mjkkemper/27003.jpg

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Audrey II

RO# 30499



Posted - Feb 28 2011 :  20:30:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I can't wait to see this finished.

Dave

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KiDa

RO# 16492



Posted - Feb 28 2011 :  21:40:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Beautiful work. I wish I had the talent.

Is the sketch and the mock up an inverted?

The sketch appears to offer more room than the mock up. What changed?


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Britanic

RO# 27562



Posted - Feb 28 2011 :  21:52:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
WOW, looks factory.
PFA!



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footloose

RO# 6963

Posted - Mar 01 2011 :  06:52:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Nice work! I need a hardtop made when you are finished ;-)

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mjkkemper

RO# 21252

Posted - Mar 01 2011 :  07:20:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KiDa

Beautiful work. I wish I had the talent.

Is the sketch and the mock up an inverted?

The sketch appears to offer more room than the mock up. What changed?



Yes these are inverted. They are the plug or molds for the fiberglass. you are in a since building from the bottom up. when demoded you flip the platform over and that is the top. In the next couple of weeks i will have the molds painted with tooling gel cote. Then they get waxed with a special wax about 8 times. At this point the actual work of the fiberglass is started.

In regards to the sketch the seat will be a little closer to the stairs. There will be about 20 inch between the stairs and the edge of the platform at its narrowest point. this about the same as the original. Around the seat area there will be more room. Also it most likely looks a little bit smaller at this point in that the blanked off sections for the stairs and seat is about 3 inch (including the rim on the stairs) larger than the stairs its self. The non-skid will be elevated about 3/16"


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff498/mjkkemper/27003.jpg

Edited by - mjkkemper on Mar 01 2011 07:42:16

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HOGAN

RO# 3813



Posted - Mar 01 2011 :  08:46:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks nice, any new pix?

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rythmstrat

RO# 32479



Posted - Mar 01 2011 :  13:06:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wow, looks terrific!

Scott.
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DUSTCUTTER

RO# 10885

Posted - Mar 01 2011 :  19:28:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What is height of staircase, from top of swim platform to top of aft deck?

Ron



Edited by - DUSTCUTTER on Mar 01 2011 19:30:20

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froggy3k

RO# 4247

Posted - Mar 01 2011 :  20:15:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Cool! Very Cool! Impressive.


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mjkkemper

RO# 21252

Posted - Mar 02 2011 :  06:39:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DUSTCUTTER

What is height of staircase, from top of swim platform to top of aft deck?

Ron



Ron

The steps risers are 10-1/2" each at total of 4
so the platform to the top of the stairs/winder is 42" and from this top stair/winder is about 10" to the top of the Aft or so. giving the height - platform to top of the aft deck around 52". I can measure the pattern tonight but the the sairs themself do not go all the way up to the aft. the last riser is actually the aft deck. Let me know if this is close enough or if want i can mearsure the paper pattern to detrimine the exact height of the platform to top of Aft


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff498/mjkkemper/27003.jpg

Edited by - mjkkemper on Mar 02 2011 06:42:11

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DUSTCUTTER

RO# 10885

Posted - Mar 02 2011 :  21:43:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In about 2 wks I will be at the boat. I will get a measurement. However, I think we are about 60"/65" from platform to aft deck.

Ron



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mjkkemper

RO# 21252

Posted - Mar 04 2011 :  12:00:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by DUSTCUTTER

In about 2 wks I will be at the boat. I will get a measurement. However, I think we are about 60"/65" from platform to aft deck.

Ron



Ron

In looking at the transoms of the 3207 & 3607 it apears that the difference in height is above the rub rail


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mjkkemper

RO# 21252

Posted - Mar 07 2011 :  07:08:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
This week ends progress on the molds if anyone is intrested.

Stairs - Corners are rounded and ready to painted

Swimplatform - First coat of primer. will need to sand and repeat untill it is smothed out.

should be finishing up the molds by this coming weekend. then its off on vacation for a few weeks. Then its time to Wax the plugs and start the fiberglass layup











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HOGAN

RO# 3813



Posted - Mar 07 2011 :  07:22:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wow, nice work! enjoy your vacation, looking forward to see the projet move ahead.

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mjkkemper

RO# 21252

Posted - Mar 11 2011 :  08:18:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
-Quick update-

The Plug for the Platform is complete. Ready for Gelcote and Fiberglass when i get back from vacation. The Red color will help in making sure I have a even coat of white gelcoat.

The stairs are primed and sanded ready for their red coat.









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The_Mayor

RO# 19101

Posted - Mar 11 2011 :  14:31:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Are there plans available for that swim platform? I would LOVE to make one for my boat.


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Starry Night

RO# 18025



Posted - Mar 16 2011 :  12:09:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Your project looks great, however I have a question regarding the structural integrity. Are you planning to incorporate any stainless steel square tubing inbeded in the fiberglass to provide longitudinal stiffness? It looks like the swimplatform is 40 - 48" deep which may require this. On my platform which is 14' wide and 48" deep it include additional box tubing within the fiberglass to provide stiffness to the platform to help minimize flexing or bending when standing on or placing heavy object on it.

Otherwise, It looks great, can you build me a hard top for my boat?




Bob

Starry Night
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mjkkemper

RO# 21252

Posted - Mar 17 2011 :  02:24:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Starry Night

Your project looks great, however I have a question regarding the structural integrity. Are you planning to incorporate any stainless steel square tubing inbeded in the fiberglass to provide longitudinal stiffness? It looks like the swimplatform is 40 - 48" deep which may require this. On my platform which is 14' wide and 48" deep it include additional box tubing within the fiberglass to provide stiffness to the platform to help minimize flexing or bending when standing on or placing heavy object on it.

Otherwise, It looks great, can you build me a hard top for my boat?






Thank you

Support will be comprised of two elements

Coring
The core coring adds strength and reduces deflection. With coring of this nature it is the lower layer that provides the greatest strength. The layup schedule will be comprised of multiple layer of bi-axle with a layer of mat between them.

Supports
The supports will be a little different than the tube framing. The last swimplatform of this size on my previous boat I used instead of square tubing - SS 316 seamless tubing. This is what you will find on aftermarket platforms and it worked very well with my previous platform.
Both are essential in the integrity of the platform.

Both longitude and horizontally the platform will have ribs for support but will be comprised of coring and fiberglass. I do not intend on imbedding any SS supports.

I am certainly no expert but using previous experiences and methods used by others

Below is the support I used previously. The existing 4 supports will remain (they extend out 22”) 4 more support will extend out to the edge of the platform and will tie back to the lower section of the transom.

The layout of supports on the Carver will be much different than the Sea Ray below



http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff498/mjkkemper/27003.jpg

Edited by - mjkkemper on Mar 17 2011 02:32:43

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Audrey II

RO# 30499



Posted - Mar 17 2011 :  05:48:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I added a platform last year and due to the size I had 4 mounts custom made and it still wasn't strong enough so I'm having two additional mounts made this week. I used both Starry and Hogans boats as templates for my platform and mounts.




My platform is free floating on these mounts if there was a way bolt directly to the transom it would add strength Starry has two brackets that tie it together and add a lot of strength.


Dave

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The_Mayor

RO# 19101

Posted - Mar 17 2011 :  09:02:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So, are there plans I can buy for the build you're doing. Or is this all just done as you go?


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mjkkemper

RO# 21252

Posted - Mar 17 2011 :  12:03:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The_Mayor

So, are there plans I can buy for the build you're doing. Or is this all just done as you go?



There is no actual written plans per say. What type of boat are you looking to build one for?

The contours are traced from the actual boat. Each platform of fiberglass project will be unique. If you are building from a mold than the paper patters will help you lay it out. The fiberglass build will require you to put together a layup schedule. In boat building there are formulas and guides. For projects like this you should be able to think it through. Let me know maybe I can help

when I get back from Vacation and start the layup I will update my layup schedule.

Audrey & Starry
Those are very nice supports I think I will look into your design.

One item I would like to bring up in regards to enbeding stainless steel. SS needs oxygen other wise it will rust (actual looks more like rote)
this all depends on the grade of stainless especially 304 in that it has no "moly"

stainless steels has poor corrosion resistance in low-oxygen and poor circulation environments


http://i1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff498/mjkkemper/27003.jpg

Edited by - mjkkemper on Mar 17 2011 17:05:05

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The_Mayor

RO# 19101

Posted - Mar 17 2011 :  12:45:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thank you for the response. I would like to'build an extension on my 33' wellcraft martinique. If I purchase one from one of the builders, it'll be upwards of $5,000 after shipping. I would love to have a project to do on my own to save a little bit of money. I would appreciate it if you could give me a materials list. By looking at your step by step instructions and some research on the web, I feel confident I would be able to handle a project like this. Thanks again, John


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mjkkemper

RO# 21252

Posted - Apr 07 2011 :  18:44:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
-Update-

The mold are complete and partially waxed. The Fiberglass will not be here till Monday though.

My fiberglass schedule is a follows:

PLATFORM
2 coats of parting film
2 coats of gel coat no wax
1 layer of surfacing veil
2 layers of 1.5 oz chop mat
1 layer of 1708 Bi-axle
3/8" end-grain balsa
1 layer of 1.5 chop mat
1 Layer of 1708 Bi-axle
1 layer of 1.oz chop mat
possible layer of woven fabric

STAIR
2 coats of parting film
2 coats of Gelcoat no wax
1 layer of 3/4oz surface veil
2 Layers of 1.5oz mat
1 Layer of 1708 Biaxle
-coring on the steps-
2 layers of mat
Possible layer of woven fabric

SEAT
Same as the stairs

I am hoping it gets a little warmer. I heat the garage with a torpedo heater and will need to only run it between layers. My concern is at night with it getting cold out with heat off in the garage.

I will post more when I get started







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dl2525

RO# 31205

Posted - Apr 08 2011 :  14:15:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks great so far.


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mjkkemper

RO# 21252

Posted - Apr 18 2011 :  10:05:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
-Week end Progress-

Finished waxing and spraying the release agent

Spayed the Gelcoat on the molds

One layer of surfacing Veil (3/4oz Fiberglass) on the swimplaform







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TurboWarp

RO# 27630



Posted - Apr 22 2011 :  07:12:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Fantastic project. Did you consider using the underside of the stairs for storage area(a)?


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mjkkemper

RO# 21252

Posted - Apr 22 2011 :  09:00:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TurboWarp

Fantastic project. Did you consider using the underside of the stairs for storage area(a)?



Yes. I found a curved hatch on Greatlakersskipper's web site. I plan on storing the motor for the dink in there


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TurboWarp

RO# 27630



Posted - Apr 22 2011 :  18:28:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Keep us posted on your project. What percent complete would you say you were?


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mjkkemper

RO# 21252

Posted - Apr 25 2011 :  07:35:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Week end update

I finished the first layer of 3/4 Surface veil on the plugs. 2 two layers of 1.5 chopped mat on the swim platform. It took 6hrs to complete (1) layer on all the plugs. given my Lay-up schedule I have a lot of work to make my targeted splash date of May 16th.

I have been working on these over the week ends between little league practice and other stuff. i will have to start work on these on the week days at night. Their kicking my butt but I just need to think of how nice and relaxing it will be hang out on

Below is a Photobucket link if anyone is interested in following the progress:

http://s1238.photobucket.com/albums/ff498/mjkkemper/













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mjkkemper

RO# 21252

Posted - May 02 2011 :  07:41:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Week end up date

End Grain Balsa Core



Chop Mat



Bi-axle



Horizontal stiffners





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Audrey II

RO# 30499



Posted - May 02 2011 :  16:04:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The suspense is killing me I can't wait to see this finished. Looks like you are making headway.

Dave

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The_Mayor

RO# 19101

Posted - May 02 2011 :  18:53:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks fantastic! I can't wait to see it popped from the mold. What did you use for horizontal stiffners, just marine ply?


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mjkkemper

RO# 21252

Posted - May 02 2011 :  19:18:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The_Mayor

Looks fantastic! I can't wait to see it popped from the mold. What did you use for horizontal stiffners, just marine ply?



I used the balsa core. The balsa is just to sandwich the 4 layers of 17 oz bi-axle. The balsa itself adds no strength. I added just as a light weight extra support. The coring with the support legs would be adequate by why not. I am adding the last two layers tonight to the horizontal supports. Then the last layer of fiber glass. Followed by finishing the edges around the plug. Lastly spray a coat on the bottom with gel coat with wax. De-molding platform plug Friday after work.


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dl2525

RO# 31205

Posted - May 06 2011 :  13:08:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ok it's Friday!!

Well??



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TurboWarp

RO# 27630



Posted - May 07 2011 :  19:36:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Any news? Can't wait to see it!


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mjkkemper

RO# 21252

Posted - May 08 2011 :  19:40:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Finishing up swim platform and de-molding pic's













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Captain Buddha

RO# 25437

Posted - May 10 2011 :  13:56:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks AWESOME!

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norman

RO# 6397

Posted - May 10 2011 :  16:33:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Wow. Very nice!



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dl2525

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Posted - May 12 2011 :  10:21:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sweet!


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KiDa

RO# 16492



Posted - May 12 2011 :  11:03:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
WOW!

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