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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jun 17 2011 : 10:28:37
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I guess that will be two ongoing boat building threads as we're just about to get started on our next project.
it's called Starfish 26, a 26 foot overall centerboard gaff rigged sloop. The style and design is inspired by classic Herreshoffs beauties like the Fish class or Alerion, Sadie and more. Something many people don't know is that Herreshoff spent a number of winters here in Coconut Grove in his later years and had a small boats built and shipped here for his own use.
We picked the name "Starfish" to recognize the Fish Class inspiration and because Starfish are very unique critters (we see a ton of them in the Bahamas, always a treat)
Construction will be strip plank but over a modern Divinycel foam cored glass structure. The strip planking will be glassed and kept natural outside with clear awlgrip for UV protection. Spars will be wood. Overall construction will be similar to the 12' Catboat we bought last year and have been sailing quite a bit since. It's a great little boat which we keep on top of the hatt when not in use, but a little small which limits how far we can go...
Starfish will have a small enclosed cabin with a 6' vee berth, head, sink, etc... auxiliary propulsion will be an inboard electric motor.
So stay tuned for construction pictures starting within a few days... step one will be lofting and cutting plywood patterns for all the frames.
here is a simple drawing of the boat:
and the layout:
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Edited by - PascalG on Feb 08 2013 18:55:19
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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sortie
RO# 2043
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 Posted - Jun 17 2011 : 11:56:40
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Classic beauty.
John
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In the know
RO# 20824
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Posted - Jun 17 2011 : 12:21:57
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Pascal:
Did you design it as well or are these plans you acquired?
An inboard electric motor? Really?
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L. Keith
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pdecat
RO# 842
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Posted - Jun 18 2011 : 04:04:27
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looks like hoops, where will you finf mast hoops today?
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Bruce
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Homeport: Gulf Coast FL
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jun 18 2011 : 10:48:44
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You d be surprised how many traditional fittings, from mast hoops to bronze bits you can get...
Keith, i think everyone incl yourself knew that I was referring to Capt Nat 1915 design, the larger version of his 12 1/2...
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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L. Keith
RO# 1615
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Posted - Jun 18 2011 : 11:01:45
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Sorry didn't get the memo. You are obviously are referring to a Fish of a different Class.
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Homeport: N. Gulf of Mexico
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pdecat
RO# 842
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Posted - Jun 18 2011 : 11:19:39
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Do you have a copy of Skenes yacht design??? If not you can have mine.
includs Herreshoff rules for wooden boats, mast design, riggingdesign, Nevins rules for wooden yachts ,etc.
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Bruce
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Homeport: Gulf Coast FL
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Hazstrike
RO# 10010
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Posted - Jun 18 2011 : 11:30:08
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Looks like it will be a pretty boat, but too much work for me, LOL
Fritz
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Homeport: South Jersey
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jun 27 2011 : 20:40:38
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progress is always slow at first but i got the patters drawn and cut for all the frames and also for the main stringer/backbone which includes the centerboard trunk as well as the "deadwood" area behind the centerboard.
my helpers look on...
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jun 27 2011 : 20:47:44
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patterns temporarily attached to the backbone patters so that i can double check how they all line up and adjust as needed before cutting the foam core sheets.
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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rapscallion
RO# 31236
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Posted - Jun 28 2011 : 02:40:02
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Sweet looking design, Pascal. Great length-to-beam ratio. Comfortable, yet reasonably fast and stable. Simple sail plan for easy single handing. Plenty of sail area will see that she moves in the lightest of winds. You're wise to go with a foam core inner hull layup. She'll be lighter that way, yet plenty strong. Do you have access to a resin pump? Can you infuse the hull to keep the weight even further down?
Good luck with the project. This is a thread I'll definitely be following!
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Homeport: Ladner, British Columbia
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Jun 28 2011 : 10:02:04
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Your workshop definitely isn't messy 'nuff! ;-) Looking forward to seeing this come together.
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jun 28 2011 : 10:29:22
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hey just started so no mess yet! plus since i'm building it right in front of the house, I have to adhere by some minimal cleanliness standards...
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Jun 28 2011 : 10:34:06
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My ole' grandpa (master tradesman) always told me: "Never trust a guy with a clean workshop, he's not busy 'nuff to be any good!" ;-)
You'll start to make some messes eventually. I was organized to within an inch of my life when I started. Now it looks like a nuke hit my boat shed! The only thing I've lost in there so far has been my car keys! ;-)
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jun 30 2011 : 14:27:37
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got all the frame patterns cut at well as the main stringer patterns. Did quick test fit...
hopefully the Divinycel will be delivered tomorrow as scheduled. Next step will be to cut the core for the main stringer and glass that together. it's going to run from bow to stern, and from floor board to keel bottom and will also serves as trunk for the centerboard.
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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Thudpucker
RO# 10503
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Posted - Jun 30 2011 : 15:13:50
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Pascal, you and Rick have a lust for life that goes well beyond the defination of the phrase!
Good on ya both!
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jul 03 2011 : 12:37:51
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started glassing the panels which will form the main / center stringer...
Cutting the first Divinycel Panel, this is one of the two forward stringer panel:
Both second stringer panels (which will be later assembled 2.5" apart... the higher part is where the Vee berth will be,the the cabin floor:
Glassing the first stinger panel, this one is one the two rear panels, that will receive the stern deck and where the rudder will attach, with the cockpit floor forward. The foam guides will be used to line up the frame
Back side of the panel being glassed, no guides.
Rest of the stringer panels ready to be glassed
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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Hazstrike
RO# 10010
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Posted - Jul 04 2011 : 11:38:31
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Coming along nicely, I see. Any estimate as to when you launch?
Fritz
PS: Happy 4th!
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Homeport: South Jersey
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jul 04 2011 : 11:49:44
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I know better than setting a completion date!
I d like to launch by late September but it s going to be tight
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Jul 04 2011 : 12:14:38
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Nice progress Pascal. I'd luv to be able to work with foam but it's so horrendously expensive up here.
The dwg you posted earlier shows an electric propulsion motor. Are you going that direction too?
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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jstokes
RO# 6292
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Posted - Jul 04 2011 : 12:18:45
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Neat thread! Thanks for taking the time to share your work.
Where did you get the Davinycel? I'm thinking about a hardtop project for my little Albin. Thanks again. John
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jul 04 2011 : 16:38:19
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It s not cheap... $148 a sheet (5/8") with free delivery from West Port Supply. There is a place in Vero Beach which had it a little cheaper but shipping was extra.
On a trawler the wood doesn't make a big difference but on a small sailboat the weight savings are worth the price difference
Yes I designed it for an electric motor... No room for a diesel and an outboard would have been ugly. Will use 6 Golf cart batteries for propulsion and house loads. Hopefully regen will provide enough charging under sail without too much drag
Got some more glazing done today... hope to finish glassing the rest of the backbone tomorrow.
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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Radioactive
RO# 3238
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Posted - Jul 04 2011 : 17:17:18
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Not only is the "new yot" looking good, but I'm glad to see ( 6/27 pics ) that the "Grrrrranimals" are providing assistance. Have you trained them to retrieve tools when you "shout loudly and toss the tool out of the building"? 
Looks like fun!
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Bill
"No matter where you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Bonzai
"There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." - Kenneth Grahame |
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Homeport: MS Gulf Coast
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Roy
RO# 114
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Posted - Jul 04 2011 : 17:39:29
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Great boat project, but take a minute to tell us about the car. Looks like a Porsche?
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"Livin' life in the laid back lane" - Sunny Jim
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Homeport: Sarasota FL
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pdecat
RO# 842
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Posted - Jul 04 2011 : 19:27:27
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Whoh! regen under sail??? I dont think so.
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Bruce
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Homeport: Gulf Coast FL
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sortie
RO# 2043
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Posted - Jul 04 2011 : 22:29:00
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Roy, I think that car is a Jag?
John
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Homeport: Merritt Island, FL
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jul 04 2011 : 23:12:14
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Bruce, many electric systems are set up to recharge the battery under sail with the prop turning, I just don't know how much drag it causes
It works very well on catamarans for instance like the lagoon 42
The car a 72 jaguar E type, 2+2 V12. On Some pics Naomi s 86 Alfa Spider may/will be seen too...
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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mixman
RO# 25362
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Posted - Jul 05 2011 : 22:09:02
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I was gonna say: "cover that car up when you're working!"
That looks great, Pascal. But to save weight, why not install 3 12-volt batteries instead of the 6 6-volts you're thinking about. You'll save space and, most importantly, weight. I just upgraded my boat with 3 AGM batteries with 315 amp hours of capacity. From my research, golf cart batteries used to be the only true deep-cycle option out there for smaller-sized batteries. But that's not true any more. I might be wrong, but it's worth some research?
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Homeport: Chesapeake Bay
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Radioactive
RO# 3238
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Posted - Jul 05 2011 : 22:32:29
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Kurt, those golf cart batteries are 6v, 200A, giving 12v 600A, not 12v 315A. You'd save weight alright, but you would also have half the capacity...
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Bill
"No matter where you go, there you are." -- Buckaroo Bonzai
"There is nothing, absolutely nothing, half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats." - Kenneth Grahame |
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Homeport: MS Gulf Coast
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mixman
RO# 25362
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Posted - Jul 06 2011 : 06:35:59
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D'oh! You're right, Bill. Again, a post too close to my bedtime and not thinking straight. It's actually pretty much a wash between 6 group 31 12v batteries in parallel or 6 golf cart batteries (3 pairs in series). I like sticking with 12v batteries as should one go bad and need to be removed, the voltage of the bank doesn't change. But that's just personal preference.
Then again there's the option of mounting a solar panel to reduce weight and drag...
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17 knot cruise at 5mpg (3.5/gph). Two hulls are better than one! |
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jul 06 2011 : 07:38:43
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As bill said the 6 GC will give twice the capacity, there are no miracles when it comes to battery, capacity = weight
Also the GC batt can handle the deep cycling better than anything. AGMs too but cost becomes an issue...
If one fail, you can disconnect both just like you would with a 12v. It s the same thing really, a 12v battery split in 2 easier to carry packages
As to space inhave plenty of that under the cockpit floor on each side of the centerboard and by placing them very low in the hull they will contribute to ballast
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jul 09 2011 : 13:40:59
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All the backbone pieces have been glassed and the two center sections assembled.
This section extends from frame 6 to frame 9 and includes the centerboard trunk:
Same section with the centerboard pattern in place and partially extended:
Half of section nr 2 (from frame 3 to 6) with spacers ready to be epoxied. The square spacers are a reinforcement for the mast step:
Section 2 and 3 dry fitted together. These are the 2 largest sections extending from frames 3 to 9. The bow section can be seen at the top of the picture, ready to epoxy together with the spacers:
Depending on location, the hollow sections of the backbone will either receive lead ingots for ballast or near stern and bow flotation foam (mostly divinycel scraps).
I'm hoping to finish assembling the bow and stern sections tomorrow so that i work on the frames next week
26 hours of work to date (construction only, not including design and cutting the patterns)
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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pdecat
RO# 842
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Posted - Jul 09 2011 : 13:52:36
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consider anti fowling painting the inside of the centeboard trunk now.
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Bruce
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pdecat
RO# 842
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Posted - Jul 09 2011 : 14:15:54
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the centerboard trunk is a weak point. With the CG axel a really vulnerable spot. Consider sistering the bottom of the trunk and imbedding pvc or other bearings for the cb as well as teflon or other vertical bearing surfaces inside the trunk.
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Bruce
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Capt. Bill1
RO# 2017
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Posted - Jul 09 2011 : 15:54:33
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quote:
Originally posted by pdecat
consider anti fowling painting the inside of the centeboard trunk now.
And lots of it. Or you could line it with copper.
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jul 11 2011 : 14:02:46
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finished glassing and assembling the backbone. cut the first 3 frames and dryfitted them. Inside of frame nr 3 still needs to be cut out (V Berth area). Forward of frame 1 is a floatation compartment, between frame 1 and 2 will be the anchor locker (above top of backbone) and floatation underneath.
this is the aft section including the cockpit and stern deck:
Once i have all the frames cut out and checked, they will be glassed and then installed back on the backbone and tabbed in
Will indeed paint interior of the trunk before closing the top.
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jul 22 2011 : 12:42:38
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after a few days off (dont you hate it when work gets in the way of hobbies... :) ) back on the project!
Glassing some of the frames:
Frames 5 and 6, glassed and dry fitted to back bone. This will be the cabin floor:
Frame 4, with mast reinforcement, ready to be glassed
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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pdecat
RO# 842
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Posted - Jul 22 2011 : 12:48:18
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I dont understand what you are using. Ply or foam?
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Bruce
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jul 22 2011 : 13:00:27
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the ply was just to make the patterns, everything (except the hull strip planking) is made using Divinycel foam core
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Sep 12 2011 : 21:32:26
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finally got a chance to take a few pictures, not easy since i dont' have a lot of room around the boat now that that the frames and deck are all in place.
things are moving along fine, considering i've been a little busy with other things since i started early july. I have all the frames set up, the deck is glassed in place. I still have some tabbing to do and work on the keel before i start planking. i've decided to wait till i after I bring Charmer back down in October to start the planking to avoid having the wood exposed to the element.
forward section:
aft section (cokpit and stern deck):
the stern deck extends about 6" beyond the rear most frame since teh transom insn't in place yet
8' cockpit and large stern deck (need space to stretch and tan!). The cutout in the last cockpit frame is for a forward facing bench:
cabin area:
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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KnottyBuoyz
RO# 20406
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Posted - Sep 13 2011 : 06:48:21
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Shaping up nicely Pascal. It's nice to get to the point where you have something that resembles a boat. :-) Carry on.
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Yours Aye!
Rick
"It's not the boat "you built" until you've sworn at it, bled on it, sweated over it and cried beside it!" - I just made that up! |
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Homeport: Iroquois, ON
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flightconn
RO# 32312
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Posted - Sep 13 2011 : 07:28:28
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If boats are like airplanes then there are those that boat, those that build and very rarely, those that boat and build making the rest of us envious of their skills and time management.
I started to build an airplane one time, built the rudder (still in the attic) and then bought a plane.
I know a lot of us appreciate those taking on such huge projects taking the time to share with the rest of us.
I really like your sawhorses, looks like you could sit on them if you need to.
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Dec 12 2011 : 18:26:22
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Construction is about to start again after almost 3 months busy with work incl the seasonal trip on Charmer and prep. for the charter season.
today, i moved the boat from under the patio to the outside so i could make room and have enough work space to store the 16' long Western Red Cedar lumber for the hull planking, table saw, router, etc... since the foam cored glass sgtructure is pretty light, i used the Hobie 16 Cat Tracks. the whole frame with deck and stringers can be lifted at one end by one person...
Tomorrow i'm going to build an awning to protect the boat...
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jan 08 2012 : 20:34:33
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Planking is finally underway and it's starting to look like a boat!!!
Ripping the Western Red Cedar, then Bead and Coving it:
First Plank attached to the deck and frames
Fitting the chainplates at the bow, anchor roller and anchor
Second plank going on:
and more...
Home made, long reach clamps...
after planking is done, wood will be covered with 2 layers of S-glass on the inside, 2 layers S-glass outside below water line, and one layer of regular glass outside above WL so the wood remains visible.
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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SPIKE
RO# 4024
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Posted - Jan 08 2012 : 20:50:08
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quote:
Originally posted by PascalG
I know better than setting a completion date!
I d like to launch by late September but it s going to be tight
Nice progress P - dust getting deeper! Anchor fits perfectly. :)
Regarding completion date - "Boat will be launched in September - but not sure what year!" I've used that for years! Hope it works for you. Best!
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jan 08 2012 : 20:55:23
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i know... i was hoping.. dont' you hate it when works get in the way of hobies? :)
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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pdecat
RO# 842
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Posted - Jan 09 2012 : 08:00:14
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Unusual stem design and no king post?? Planks not breaking with out steam or soaking??
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Bruce
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Homeport: Gulf Coast FL
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jan 09 2012 : 09:59:52
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I wanted the anchor and roller to be completly hidden below deck and didnt want the chainplate visible either mahogany stem will start unde the roller and will added later
No, planks are pretty thin (3/4) and bend without steaming. They're really a core unlike traditional planked wooden boats
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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pdecat
RO# 842
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Posted - Jan 09 2012 : 11:10:10
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are the planks screqed or glued to those frames?
The anchor locker will need great drainage.
Hawse pipe for the chain???
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Bruce
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Homeport: Gulf Coast FL
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In the know
RO# 20824
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Posted - Jan 09 2012 : 11:47:23
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Why didn't you plank with the boat inverted?
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