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GeeBee

RO# 385



Posted - Nov 05 2011 :  22:07:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If it is, I don't want it. I picked up the new issue of Boating magazine. Review of the Cruisers Cantius. What is a "Cantius" anyway?

Here is what I saw.

Bar stools on the swim platform? Seriously? Oh I can see my guests after a couple Margaritas and a small runabout goes by and leaves a wake. There you are, out on the end of the whip so to speak. Wonder what that feels like? Looks like a set up for a Preparation H commercial.


Then I noticed the helm wheel. Now a new Monterey moved in on my dock and it has the same wheel. Check this out.



Really? Did they steal it off a hearse, or did they go straight to the design inspiration, the Munster Mobile. Yes I can see Herman Munster's wrist pinned green hands on this one. Seriously, this new Monterey on my dock has more black and chrome than a 57 Caddy Hearse. Look, the wheel on my SeaRay looks something like my Lexus too, but at least both are mahogony, a nautical wood. The "wood" on this helm looks as phony as a 3 dollar bill. In fact, I think I saw the same grain on the "eat here" tray at McDonald's.

I don't know what the design folks are thinking, but I would be embarrassed to claim this Cantius as mine. The whole thing is just wrong, really, really wrong.



"The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."... Margaret Thatcher

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walterv

RO# 12640



Posted - Nov 05 2011 :  22:38:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I like the bar stool idea (I assume they can be removed). Having more sitting space at the dock or a calm cove wouldn't be bad. Also a nice place to sit when anchored out and the kids are swimming (unobstructed view). Problem I see with this is you will see people sitting there while the boat is underway.

The helm in the second picture IMHO is GROSS.


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alexander38

RO# 31123

Posted - Nov 06 2011 :  05:58:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
bar stools on that big platform ..ok, but that wheel on the helm sucks, give me the destroyer wheels that's on my Carver 3607...they're a boaters wheel....:)

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RWS

RO# 25075



Posted - Nov 06 2011 :  06:15:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hold on guys, REALLY.

There is a GOOD REASON for this design on the ships wheel.

People get on this forum and make fun at things they just don't understand.

That wheel is part of the new Federal mandate requirement for airbags on boats.

RWS


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vided

RO# 29659

Posted - Nov 06 2011 :  06:34:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"That wheel is part of the new Federal mandate requirement for airbags on boats."
And who know more about airbags the those feral sc**bags


1961, size 9, white keds

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abalmuth

RO# 13885



Posted - Nov 06 2011 :  07:05:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GeeBee

What is a "Cantius" anyway?

From Cruisers:
The Cantius line is named for Cantius Stock, founder of Cruisers Yachts’ parent company, and is a fitting tribute to a Midwestern work ethic and the quest for perfection that Stock instilled in the Cruisers Yachts heritage.

I have seen many boats with fishing chairs on the swim platform just like these

there are many bost where there are transom seats, speakers etc. for people to hang close to the water

looks ok to me


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Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.........

Edited by - abalmuth on Nov 06 2011 07:39:02

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pdecat

RO# 842



Posted - Nov 06 2011 :  07:36:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
that transom is just another way to add length bragging rights at lower cost than increasing interior length.

Bruce



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abalmuth

RO# 13885



Posted - Nov 06 2011 :  07:41:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by pdecat

that transom is just another way to add length bragging rights at lower cost than increasing interior length.

Agreed
in the early 90's Searay added 2-3 ft to most of their boats just by including the platform- my 50 is less than 48 at the waterline


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Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.........

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GeeBee

RO# 385



Posted - Nov 06 2011 :  07:46:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A fishing chair, I understand. You have armrests, back support, foot support. Basically, you are ensconced in a fishing chair. A bar stool is pretty much relies on anal rententivity.

Even at the dock, you are stern in. Do you really want people drinking and hanging out on your platform? Someone is a little tipsy, they start laughing they fall of the stool where do they go? Between the platform and the dock? I think I want all my people in the cockpit. Swim platforms are for.... getting wet.

Cantius, now that is interesting. I Googled it and all I could find was Saint Cantius and a type of prehistoric animal.




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KiDa

RO# 16492



Posted - Nov 06 2011 :  08:20:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As I see it, we're getting older and they are trying to appeal to a younger, less nautical crowd. I don't the functionality in the bar stools. There is no bar on the other side.

Now a stripper pole.....THAT would be something of value on a swim platform.


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GeeBee

RO# 385



Posted - Nov 06 2011 :  08:26:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Stripper pole! Yeah!....But do you really want to polish that much brass?

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boatbum

RO# 36

Posted - Nov 06 2011 :  09:31:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by abalmuth

quote:
Originally posted by pdecat

that transom is just another way to add length bragging rights at lower cost than increasing interior length.

Agreed
in the early 90's Searay added 2-3 ft to most of their boats just by including the platform- my 50 is less than 48 at the waterline



I thought our 43 was as long as your 50'

On another note;

Keep the girls on the brass and it will take care of itself

Bar stools on the platform are an accident waiting to happen. I wonder if they have a warning label on the seat and how many languages is it in? Do not sit here while boat is in motion.



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saltysam

RO# 26



Posted - Nov 06 2011 :  09:44:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Better face the facts: Modern boat design is geared to the desires of the purchasers....design factors are embellished in ways yet to be determined so long as "market research" predicts a "successful design". Tradition, lore, proven nautical use, these are secondary to predicted acceptance by the targeted customer base.


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Woodsong

RO# 20095

Posted - Nov 06 2011 :  09:47:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't know...no more stupid than putting chairs up on the "bow" of deck boats for fishing. I don't think the 48 Cruisers is meant to be a deep sea fishing vessel or offshore rig- they are just producing a design that demographics show they want. It would fit well at Sunset Cove Greg! :)



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stmbtwle

RO# 7934

Posted - Nov 06 2011 :  09:52:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think the bar stools on the platform are an accident waiting to happen. For a boat that never leaves the dock, fine.

At least you can hold on to the stripper pole.


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rduhon

RO# 29321

Posted - Nov 06 2011 :  09:56:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just cause it's back there, you don't have to sit or stand back there while running.
Makes use of wastes space. Great boat for people who use their boats at the dock and
don't get out much. I forget what they call them.



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Billylll

RO# 24494

Posted - Nov 06 2011 :  09:59:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I could see the bar stools if there was a gaurd rail around the platform. Otherwise it's an accident and product liability lawsuit waiting to happen.
Bill


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Billylll

RO# 24494

Posted - Nov 06 2011 :  10:03:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rduhon

Just cause it's back there, you don't have to sit or stand back there while running.
Makes use of wastes space. Great boat for people who use their boats at the dock and
don't get out much. I forget what they call them.


The non use or use of a boat at the dock only is called a "Dock Mary" or "Dock Queen" around here.
Bill


Bill Lentz
Little Egg, N.J.

Edited by - Billylll on Nov 06 2011 13:56:58

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rduhon

RO# 29321

Posted - Nov 06 2011 :  12:18:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Billylll

quote:
Originally posted by rduhon

Just cause it's back there, you don't have to sit or stand back there while running.
Makes use of wastes space. Great boat for people who use their boats at the dock and
don't get out much. I forget what they call them.


Thhe non use or use of a boat at the dock only is called a "Dock Mary" or "Dock Queen" around here.
Bill



That's it. My brain cell does not work like it useta.



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rduhon

RO# 29321

Posted - Nov 06 2011 :  12:25:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would rather see a rumble type seat. We have a friend with a 38' Carver that had a forward facing cockpit seat.
His wife and friend fixed it to face forward while running or to the rear when at the dock. He also insulated his
fender holders so they could hold beer. Now he don't have to move around to get beers.



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WALSHIE

RO# 2124



Posted - Nov 07 2011 :  07:46:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Someone is a little tipsy, they start laughing they fall of the stool where do they go?
Now THAT's funny! Do you really hang with people sooooooo funnny, they make you lose your stool?

At anchor or at dock we often setup folding chairs on the swim platform to socialize with people in the water or on the main dock. Of course, we only let the inlaws sit there while underway.


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GeeBee

RO# 385



Posted - Nov 07 2011 :  08:16:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Now THAT's funny! Do you really hang with people sooooooo funnny, they make you lose your stool?"

You ought to meet my First Officer in the sim right now. This guy makes you laugh so much your stomach aches.




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PascalG

RO# 12212



Posted - Nov 07 2011 :  08:36:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The bar stools are impractical but don't bother me much. I like the big swim platform though and how it extends all the way to the sides so you can board ntoo many builders taper the platform to make it stylish making it impossible to get on the boat...

What I don't like:
Cockpit looks crowded for a boat that size
Cleat placement: you can't have lines leading forward without rubbing on the hull, I don't see any other stern cleat.
No access to port side without making guests move and climb over the settee
Above platform swim ladder which appears to be hard to reach from the water
No grab rail to get on side decks
No cleats on platform to tie a tender


Pascal
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abalmuth

RO# 13885



Posted - Nov 07 2011 :  10:21:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
if you want to see more detail on this model go to Boattest for more pic's & a video

http://www.boattest.com/boats/boat_video.aspx?ID=2610


Carver Voyager 530 with Volvo 122's/610HP
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.........

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Veg

RO# 20854



Posted - Nov 17 2011 :  16:13:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The helm is ugly and impractical. I don't like silly car wheels on boats anyway, that's one thing that I couldn't go back to now. The bar stools are just plain stupid. Just more smoke and mirrors. Eye candy, but in reality just more things to break and or corrode.





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Woodsong

RO# 20095

Posted - Nov 17 2011 :  21:02:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Please now, if we are going to debate steering wheels and helms and such, let us make sure we all know what a proper wheel looks like so as to not be the pot calling the kettle black! ;)






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GeeBee

RO# 385



Posted - Nov 17 2011 :  21:12:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ernesto and I are on the same page here and on Salsa dancing. What in the world is next LOL!



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KiDa

RO# 16492



Posted - Nov 17 2011 :  22:15:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
HMMMMMM.

I guess the USN screwed up again.



That little round gold looking to the left of that throttle looking thingy is the main steering wheel from an Oliver Hazard Perry Class Fast Frigate. The one to the right is the aux steering in the event the C.O./OOD decides to take the helm.


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rythmstrat

RO# 32479



Posted - Nov 17 2011 :  22:29:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I like the Cruisers' helm...and swim platform. The stools and bar top arrangement aren't for me though.

To each his own...


Scott.
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Veg

RO# 20854



Posted - Nov 17 2011 :  23:19:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Tony, mine is all stainless but still a destroyer wheel, the way it should be :)

Greg - I'll tell you what's next....... Next thing is you'll learn to appreciate veggie chicken nuggets at the ultimate football party snack.

http://www.iateapie.net/reviews/archives/2008/03/morningstar_far_8.php




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abalmuth

RO# 13885



Posted - Nov 18 2011 :  06:00:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don’t like the ‘looks’ of this Cruisers helm, including the wheel but it seems to be a trend with late model boats. It looks Fugly via a photo and I don’t think my opinion will change if I saw in in person, but often things are different live.

I think the over all helm design has a lot to do with how well the wheel will work & just like a destroyer & wood spoke type wheels may be great when standing at the helm they may Sux while sitting. As David posted the USN mostly got away from them years ago, just look at the wheel of CVN-68



Very many modern helms designs have the operator sitting under most conditions and a smaller, tilting wheel can be far more comfortable with better legroom.

A lot or purest will most likely think my helm is ugly, but it works really well and I have not found a condition that I wish it was laid out differently




Carver Voyager 530 with Volvo 122's/610HP
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.........

Edited by - abalmuth on Nov 18 2011 06:01:44

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Ken34

RO# 31174

Posted - Nov 18 2011 :  18:58:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am all for the platform entertaining area, but yes, the dash and wheel is to much for me.


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Ken34

RO# 31174

Posted - Nov 18 2011 :  19:07:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Of all the boats I have owned, this was the dash I liked best. I despised the wheel though! I was going to replace it, if we would have kept the boat longer than 2 months!

280 Carver Hardtop - Very fun boat!



This helm on my current boat is definitly on my to-do list for updates.
But I love the Wheel!



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Shore

RO# 11418

Posted - Nov 19 2011 :  10:17:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
For the type of boating we do that is perfect. We all moor up together in a fresh water spring and hang out on the swimdecks or in 3' of water. An extended swim platform is am must. Those bar stools would be a riot at night.


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FireEscape

RO# 32806

Posted - Dec 01 2011 :  14:14:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Folks - new to the forum but am finding a lot of valuable info. Thought I would chime in on this post, we're in the process of buying a 40'(ish) size boat and the 41 Cantius is at the top of the list. The helm and wheel (like them or not) seem to be what all of the manufacturers mid level and higher are going to. The other boat we've look at to date is the new 41 Sea Ray and their wheel is almost the same as on the new Cruisers Yachts, and their helm is a lot more confusing with all of the gauges and electronics (personally like the clean look). Helm panels also look similar to many of the larger yacht manufacturers (they probably all use the same company). The helms and dashes on the 2012 Cruisers is a big departure from models just a few years ago and seem like they have a way more higher end feel than older boats.

I was on a 41 Cantius at a local boat show and the stools were great, there is a decal there saying they need to be stowed if the vessel is underway. I would personally opt for the power sun lounge option that is suppose to be coming out within the next model year. But til then we'll keep shopping and dreaming...


FireEscape

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dl2525

RO# 31205

Posted - Dec 04 2011 :  17:10:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I went on the Cruisers 48' Cantius back at the Miami boat show this year. If I had the money, it was one of my top boats that I saw in a cruiser style boat. The cockpit and the salon have to be one of the roomiest I viewed, plus the salon is open towards the cockpit which lets a ton of light down stairs. I really liked it.




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walterv

RO# 12640



Posted - Dec 04 2011 :  17:35:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ken,
The 28 Carver Hardtop is a great looking boat, love the glass, why did you sell it after owning it for such a short time??


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Dave H

RO# 7245

Posted - Dec 05 2011 :  12:06:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ken that looks like the wheel on our 85 Chriscraft Catalina. I like it too but in late fall it gets cold enough for gloves.


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mdoherty

RO# 12220



Posted - Dec 05 2011 :  13:46:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by abalmuth


I think the over all helm design has a lot to do with how well the wheel will work & just like a destroyer & wood spoke type wheels may be great when standing at the helm they may Sux while sitting. As David posted the USN mostly got away from them years ago, just look at the wheel of CVN-68








A little scarey that the helmsman of a 4 billion dollar ship needs the wheel labeled with right rudder and left rudder arrows.


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mdoherty

RO# 12220



Posted - Dec 05 2011 :  13:57:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GeeBee

Stripper pole! Yeah!....But do you really want to polish that much brass?


you don't polish it...you pay somebody! It's easy you just sprinkle dollar bills around it and ladies come up and find different ways to polish it from top to bottom.


Mike

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mdoherty

RO# 12220



Posted - Dec 05 2011 :  13:58:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KiDa

HMMMMMM.

I guess the USN screwed up again.



That little round gold looking to the left of that throttle looking thingy is the main steering wheel from an Oliver Hazard Perry Class Fast Frigate. The one to the right is the aux steering in the event the C.O./OOD decides to take the helm.



At least they got the cupholder right, well placed and sturdy enough to handle any weather.


Mike

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Britanic

RO# 27562



Posted - Dec 05 2011 :  20:20:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Where is the cigarette lighter?


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