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firstlight
RO# 16749
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 Posted - Mar 22 2012 : 20:44:16
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Just bought a 36 ft Tiara in Wilmington N.C. looking for some advise should I go by land or sea. Time is not an issue, fuel burn vs trucking cost is an issue. I am experienced, 100 ton Capt. lic. but never made trip before.
Welcome all and any advise, recom. truck co Navigation route etc. Thanks
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Homeport: City Island New York
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Britanic
RO# 27562
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Posted - Mar 22 2012 : 20:51:21
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Dont know the route, but my opinion.
Cruising boat this time of year would be a nice trip if you have the time. There is a boat in my yard 40+ cruiser with extensive damage from a truck hall from IL.
Thats all I got, congrats thats a very nice boat.
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Homeport: Barnegat Bay, NJ
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littlebookworm
RO# 27413
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Posted - Mar 22 2012 : 20:53:18
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Congratulations. Before you make a decision, get some quotes from reliable interstate boat haulers. In some cases, depending on boat height and beam, some states now require up to three assist cars! A friend of mine is All-Island Marine Transport in Sayville. Just call (589 3030) and tell Donna I sent you. When our daughter-inlaw's father wanted to move his 40 Azmet to Florida from New York, he was told that the cost and disassembly of the flybridge and other legal requirements made the land move prohibitive. He hired a captain to take it down by water. If it's doable, Donna will tell you. If it's not, she'll also tell you. Good luck. Hy
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Homeport: Eastport, NY
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aubv
RO# 16042
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 Posted - Mar 22 2012 : 21:18:38
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firstlight,
Best of luck with the boat.
I did a quick route (Navionics East App) from Wilmington to city island and came up with about 775 miles.
Do you know what gallons/hour at cruise will be?
That said, I'd ask myself these 2 questions - did I buy the boat to haul it around on a trailer? How many times will I have the opportunity to take this kind of trip?
I think this kind of trip by boat is a great adventure, not to be missed.
Jmho
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Homeport: Lake Tashmoo
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Dani-Lu
RO# 19601
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Posted - Mar 22 2012 : 21:25:27
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2 years ago, I took my boat from ny to florida and back and can't wait to do another trip like this. If time is not an issue, get on the boat and run it! Have fun. Boats are for adventures and freedom! Take your time and enjoy the journey!
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Homeport: Lindenhurst, NY
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mixman
RO# 25362
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Posted - Mar 22 2012 : 21:50:30
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Congratulations on your purchase. As anti mono-hull as I am, I know Tiaras to be very nice boats.
As for your question; consider it a shake-down cruise. As Capt. Ron said: "If anything's going to happen, it's going to happen out there!"
Take it by water. Fuel is only going to get more expensive :-)
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Homeport: Chesapeake Bay
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rbmitchell
RO# 3641
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Posted - Mar 23 2012 : 03:03:27
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fThe route is down the river to the ICW and up to Wrightsville Beach. There you can go outside (the Atlantic) or up the ICW depending on weather or interest. At Morehead City (NC) you would go inside and follow the ICW. At the Neuse River you pick either the true ICW or the Pamlico Sound to get you up to Norfolk. Then you take the Cheasepeake Bay (the true ICW) or run outside to Ocean City MD (for fuel if necessary) and on to Atlantic City NJ. You have to go out in the Atlantic from the Manasquan River NJ to Lower NY Bay at the Sandy Hook. Then up the East River, Hell's Gate and the Sound.
I would get a smaller Garmin and recommend the GPS740 which has all the charts built in. There are plenty of fuel stops and restaurants on the way. You will burn 1000 gallons of diesel (more if gas) and the whole trip will cost more than trucking. You have to put your own value on the experience. I've run back and forth from North Jersey to Key West a dozen times and always enjoyed the ride.
aubv offers excellent insight.
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Homeport: Beach Haven NJ&KeyWest FL
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jrpar
RO# 11343
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Posted - Mar 23 2012 : 05:56:08
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I've both trucked my boat and run on the water.
Trucking was cheaper but add in the haul & splash at either end for a true comparision.
Personally, if the boat is mechanically sound and you have her outfitted properly (spares, etc). I'd run her on the water.
Cleaning after trucking was a chore. Road grime gets everywhere (and I shrink-wrapped).
Spent about a year in Charleston for work and ran the boat up from FL to use as an apartment and the trip up and back was worth the extra $$.
John
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Homeport: Palm Coast, FL
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Audrey II
RO# 30499
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Posted - Mar 23 2012 : 07:04:43
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I helped another member bring home his New Silverton a few years ago it was this exact trip. If I recall it was 700-750 miles staying on the inside most of the way. This was a great/fun trip we traveled 8-10 days and it took us 5 days cruising at about 20 mgh whenever possible there where a lot of no wake and bridges that slow down the trip. I'm totally guessing but if your new boat gets at lest 3/4 of a mile per gallon then this trip should come in at about 1000 gallons I believe we burn 1200-1300 gallons, so average high at $5 dollars per gallon your at $5000 in fuel then you have to get to the boat you may fly there or rent a car (one Direction premium) and then you have docking and meals. There is a lot to calculate.
Just a guess but I'm thinking it would cost more to drive the boat up but as mentioned this is a great shake down cruise and a great way to get to know your new boat. Being time is not an issue I say go for it. Make sure you have a good spare parts kit on board and a decent tool kit.
Best of luck and enjoy your new boat!
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I just wish common sense was a little more common.
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Homeport: Haverstraw, NY
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Cam
RO# 1558
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Posted - Mar 23 2012 : 07:29:53
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I say go for it. Just be sure you get good towing insurance, such as Seatow or Boatus for peace of mind.
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Homeport: Bentley Yacht Club- Staten Island, NY
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Laissez-Faire
RO# 32833
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Posted - Mar 23 2012 : 07:36:17
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there are boaters and there are floaters....this is a great trip, if on the other hand
you plan on using the boat as a floating condo, go ahead and ship by truck.... give the fact
that you have a USCG certificate, I can't understand why you would be even thinking about
shipping it.
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Homeport: Chattanooga, Tn
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In the know
RO# 20824
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Posted - Mar 23 2012 : 07:50:38
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To me this is an absolute no brainer - by water.
Boats are meant to move through water, not sitting on some trailer over the interstate.
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Homeport: The Ocean State
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Sea Gull
RO# 11632
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Posted - Mar 23 2012 : 08:46:34
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You say that time is not an issue but cost is. If so, calculate your fuel burn at most efficient speed. This is where you should be getting several miles to the gallon. If you opt for the inland route you will be going slow most of the time anyway, so take your time, save money, and enjoy.
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Homeport: CT
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lanbuilder
RO# 14645
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Posted - Mar 23 2012 : 10:00:17
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If you go by water and need a crew, I am available anytime for free.
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Homeport: Lancaster, VA
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mintregila
RO# 13060
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Posted - Mar 23 2012 : 10:11:33
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I will add to the chorus. If the boat is mechanically sound, take it by sea.
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Homeport: Long Beach, NY/Pompano Beach, FL
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Shadowcruzr
RO# 1702
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Posted - Mar 23 2012 : 10:25:38
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I took off and did the ICW from Orlando to Morehead City in a 26 footer without having ever done it before. Gotta start sometime. Go for the water route!
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Homeport: Elizabeth City, NC
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firstlight
RO# 16749
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Posted - Mar 23 2012 : 12:03:44
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You all want me to take a road trip.
The vessel if fuel efficient for a 36 ft. boat. better than a mile a gal at cruise and real good at 6 MPH speed.
the vessel has a radar Raymarine 120 unit which I haver never use always had Garmin.
Anyone done the trip, please call me Frank 347 386 3566
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Homeport: City Island New York
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btoran
RO# 19401
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Posted - Mar 23 2012 : 18:06:10
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if you have it hauled up, make nj your destination as trucking anywhere into ny state will greatly increase the cost. i had mine shipped to liberty landing and took it from there around manhattan and into the sound.
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Homeport: Glen Cove, NY
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Audrey II
RO# 30499
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Posted - Mar 23 2012 : 21:09:32
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quote:
Originally posted by firstlight
You all want me to take a road trip.
The vessel if fuel efficient for a 36 ft. boat. better than a mile a gal at cruise and real good at 6 MPH speed.
the vessel has a radar Raymarine 120 unit which I haver never use always had Garmin.
Anyone done the trip, please call me Frank 347 386 3566
We did make this exact trip then continued up the Hudson I was just a guest crew member on Victoria Secret another member here, I mentioned to him today that you were considering this trip and he said he has a spreed sheet with all the details of the trip including running hours and fuel burn. Hopefully he will chime in but my earlier numbers were pretty accurate he told me we only burned 1100 gallons and you would most likely would do better assuming this is a diesel.
This was a fun trip!
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I just wish common sense was a little more common.
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RulandRa
RO# 32917
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Posted - Mar 24 2012 : 16:47:16
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Have a question. After sea trial and purchase of a 1998 Regal Commodore 2760 next week, I have a 6-hour ride from Kilmarnoc, VA to Woodbridge, VA to get her home. My concern is that it was hardly used last season and doing this kind of run right away until I know the boats faults may be questionable. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Homeport: VA
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folieadeux
RO# 27326
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Posted - Mar 24 2012 : 17:25:46
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Go by water !!!! You bought a BOAT !!! The ICW is an enjoyable route, you stated that time was not an issue, just think about how accelerated your "comfort zone" will be on the new boat once you get her home after 700+ miles on the water.
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Neal and Barbara
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rawidman
RO# 25110
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Posted - Mar 24 2012 : 19:40:36
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Originally posted by RulandRa
Have a question. After sea trial and purchase of a 1998 Regal Commodore 2760 next week, I have a 6-hour ride from Kilmarnoc, VA to Woodbridge, VA to get her home. My concern is that it was hardly used last season and doing this kind of run right away until I know the boats faults may be questionable. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
~ray
TowBoatUS or SeaTow membership and a buddy boat to accompany you.
I too would be wary of taking a "new to me" used boat on an extended trip.
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Flutterby
RO# 14378
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Posted - Mar 24 2012 : 20:03:48
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But, Ron, he is a 100 ton Capt and should know what he is doing. Unless he thinks the boat is bad shape for a long cruise. But it will be in worse with the added damage going by truck IMO.
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Homeport: California Sierras/Gold Country
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sortie
RO# 2043
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Posted - Mar 24 2012 : 20:40:06
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To me this is an absolute no brainer - by water.
Boats are meant to move through water, not sitting on some trailer over the interstate.
+1.+ It is an awesome trip, time is not an issue, this may be a once in a lifetime opportunity. Worth the cost of admisson.
John
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ranger42c
RO# 32710
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Posted - Mar 25 2012 : 05:48:45
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Originally posted by firstlight
Just bought a 36 ft Tiara in Wilmington N.C. looking for some advise should I go by land or sea. Time is not an issue, fuel burn vs trucking cost is an issue. I am experienced, 100 ton Capt. lic. but never made trip before.
Welcome all and any advise, recom. truck co Navigation route etc. Thanks
If time is not an issue, move it on the water... and run it more than half the time at low RPMs/hull speed.
We brought our last (gas) boat -- somewhat similar in design to your Tiara -- up to Annapolis from near Ft. Lauderdale in 17 easy days (including a 3-day layover near Savanah), mostly on the inside, mostly at "sightseeing" speed. I think, from memory, our fuel burn average for the whope trip was something like 7 GPH (although I'd have to check those logs to be sure).
-Chris
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rawidman
RO# 25110
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Posted - Mar 25 2012 : 07:19:07
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Originally posted by Flutterby
But, Ron, he is a 100 ton Capt and should know what he is doing. Unless he thinks the boat is bad shape for a long cruise. But it will be in worse with the added damage going by truck IMO.
No doubt it would be a fun trip and I am planning on a long trip this spring, but by now, I am familiar with my boat.
A friend just bought a 39' Carver and I helped him on the first leg of the 130 mile trip home. Lots of things we didn't know like the paddlewheel speed indicator was way off, the GPS was very hard to use and kept losing signal. Also, we didn't know where many of the switches for lights were or where the seacocks were.
No real problems on that trip, but it might have been difficult on a much longer trip.
On a strange boat, you might not know what tools you may need and what spare parts you should have or how to change them.
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Tim R
RO# 2009
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Posted - Mar 25 2012 : 13:39:34
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Wiimington NC to City Island, NY? That's a no-brainer.... run it! You can actually stay inside all the way to Sandy Hook, and then you're outside for just a short distance to NY Harbor. Easy trip for a 36 footer.
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Homeport: Northwest, NJ
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arks1
RO# 790
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Posted - Mar 25 2012 : 14:56:48
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Another + on bringing her home via water. Have it mechanically checked (as much as possible) before departure and stock up on spare parts and tools. I brought my 20 year old Silverton up from Southport NC to the upper Chesapeake. Ran the ICW and Dismal Swamp route. Thankfully, no mechanical issues the whole trip. It was absolutely the trip of a lifetime.
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Mar 25 2012 : 16:41:38
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Go by water. If you need crew I will volunteer.
If you go by land you want to ship it to jersey to save some cost of going thru NYC.
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saltysam
RO# 26
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Posted - Mar 25 2012 : 19:39:47
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This is a perfect opportunity to have some FUN. Go Cruzin' Mon!
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Homeport: New River, Ft Lauderdale
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ronlord
RO# 2010
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Posted - Mar 26 2012 : 11:03:35
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+1 on the water trip. Make sure you have plenty of spare racor filters in case the fuel tanks are dirty.
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Homeport: Buffalo, NY
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Laissez-Faire
RO# 32833
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Posted - Mar 26 2012 : 19:31:14
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Ok,time is up, what are you going to do??????
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Homeport: Chattanooga, Tn
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firstlight
RO# 16749
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Posted - Mar 27 2012 : 07:28:23
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I will be doing a survey next week and the following week looks like a road trip, by water.
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Homeport: City Island New York
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Audrey II
RO# 30499
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Posted - Mar 27 2012 : 07:36:24
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Good luck with both keep us updated during your trip!
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abalmuth
RO# 13885
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Posted - Mar 27 2012 : 07:45:26
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Good luck with the survey.
You should post the details as to your planed ports of call etc.
There has been many a time were fellow RO’s gave a hand to others while in their area’s,.
Do you have an EPIRB ? and take pic’s as most of us wish we where with you!
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caltexfla
RO# 14522
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Posted - Mar 27 2012 : 08:58:38
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I am here in Morehead City NC and would be happy to spend some time with you going over the trip, which we have done many times. I have plenty of excuses to go over to Wilmington so let me know. I'd be happy to crew some of the way if the schedule works out.
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firstlight
RO# 16749
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Posted - Apr 01 2012 : 09:06:35
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Hey,
I believe we plan on spending the first night at Moorehead. Can you rec. a marina?
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Homeport: City Island New York
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firstlight
RO# 16749
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Posted - Apr 02 2012 : 13:02:58
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Hey Caltexfla give me a call 347 386-3566. I will be in wilmington doing a sea trial on wed. and if all goes well will be back on 4/15/12 to run her home. I would appreciate your advice. Thanks Frank
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Carvervirgin
RO# 32836
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Posted - Apr 02 2012 : 21:41:49
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I am always impressed by the enthusiasm and generosity of this forum's members. Proud to be affliated with my fellow boaters. Good luck on the survey and the trip.
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caltexfla
RO# 14522
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Posted - Apr 03 2012 : 07:17:23
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Originally posted by firstlight
Hey Caltexfla give me a call 347 386-3566. I will be in wilmington doing a sea trial on wed. and if all goes well will be back on 4/15/12 to run her home. I would appreciate your advice. Thanks Frank
Frank, I'll call you a little later this morning. I'll be in town the next couple of days, then we will be taking the boat out Thursday afternoon to Cape Lookout through Easter Sunday. We are at Morehead City Yacht basin, which is a first class marina right off the ICW. Walking distance to a lot of good restaurants and the MC waterfront. Another good option is the Beaufort Town docks right in charming downtown Beaufort.
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Prospective
RO# 23085
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Posted - Apr 03 2012 : 08:31:32
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Great Boat! Year? Power? Pictures? Good luck on the survey. I love mine. If you've got the time, not much doubt by water is the better way to go. Probably cheaper, definitely better life experience. Those boats are beammy so hauling is pricey. I looked at bringing a few up from FL before I decided to shop closer to home. Good Luck!
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vic33004
RO# 27361
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Posted - Apr 05 2012 : 10:14:23
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hands down do the cruise!!!! who care which is less $, its all about using the boat!
i would however invest some effort into making sure the boat was ship shape before leaving the yard.
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caltexfla
RO# 14522
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Posted - Apr 05 2012 : 18:39:15
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So Frank, how did the boat look? (I talked to him on the phone as he was checking it out).
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KiDa
RO# 16492
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Posted - Apr 05 2012 : 20:00:03
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Did Wilmington to VA in Saint Max. It was a great time and a great Nav challenge. I can tell you my recommendations for overnights for that leg of the trip. I have never been further north than Ft. Monroe, VA. I'm sure others can chime in on that leg.
My only recommendation is tuned props and a clean bottom.
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Robyns Nest
RO# 4846
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Posted - Apr 05 2012 : 20:54:00
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Hey,
I believe we plan on spending the first night at Moorehead. Can you rec. a marina?
Town dock is a good stop. Come in the inlet bear to starboard, it's right there.
Stop at Coinjock marina for fuel, cheap, and you can get food at their restaurant .
If the weather is good, when you get to the chessy take the outside and stop at Ocean City. Good eats there.
From Ocean Cith you make it home in one day if seas are good.
Good luck with the trip. Bring tools, spares etc....
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firstlight
RO# 16749
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Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 13:15:05
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I will be leaving Wightsville Beach, conditions allowing, on 4/16/12 at approx. 1400 hrs.. I hope to make Moorehead City by days end.
Thanks Guy for all the input and I welcome any suggestions on where to stay, get fuel, nav. hazards etc. Frank
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Homeport: City Island New York
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Audrey II
RO# 30499
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Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 16:51:40
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+1 on Coinjock best & biggest prime rib around!
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Veg
RO# 20854
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Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 18:36:13
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Great choice on the boat! What year? Open or Convertible? I'm surprised at better than 1MPG at cruise, I thought those were less efficient, cause that's one heavy boat. Hope you enjoy the trip and come back and share some stories and photos!
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firstlight
RO# 16749
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Posted - Apr 07 2012 : 10:20:12
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During sea trial fuel scan showed better than a mile a gal traveling at approx. 27 miles an hour.
I got an extended weather forecast of 12 to 15 with gust to 23 out of the S S/W. How will that effect travel?
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Capt. Bill1
RO# 2017
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Posted - Apr 07 2012 : 11:28:08
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Traveling inside or outside?
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firstlight
RO# 16749
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Posted - Apr 07 2012 : 13:35:10
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From wrightsvile Beach to moorehead outside thenTo Norfork inside. Then weather will dictate outside to cape May then home.
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Homeport: City Island New York
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