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Jimmy.S
RO# 31922
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 Posted - Mar 23 2012 : 16:42:24
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I will be starting this 2012 season with repairing 21 ribs, about 10 hull planks at the transom(they are starting to look A bit beat at the end grain there), I found A plank in the bow I don't like and 2 or 3 ribs in the bow are looking A bit shaky so I will take care of those, I will also be replacing the transom. Oh and I almost forgot,,, I will be fixing the giant hole the marina gave me for A 4th of July gift last spring, and any other little stuff that might catch my eye along the way. I will be posting A bunch of photos as I get them so sit back and enjoy watching as my 2012 season gets under way, I will start off with this one just as A teaser. It is old but it is A good starter for this thread. Have A safe, fun and prosperous 2012.
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Jimmy.S
1969, 42' Pacemaker motor yacht "ELENA LYNN" Kendall, NY.
If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats,, he would have made fiberglass trees. |
Homeport: PA
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sugilbert
RO# 3854
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Posted - Mar 23 2012 : 17:58:15
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Ouch! That's one BIG hole! And juicy details?
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32carv
RO# 24150
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Posted - Mar 23 2012 : 20:13:38
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Very few marinas still have the knowlege and the skills to handle those big wooden boats. Damage like that is more common than you would think.
Jim
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froggy3k
RO# 4247
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Posted - Mar 23 2012 : 20:47:18
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Do it Jimmy! We're all watching. You do good work and I for one will enjoy the ride!
Remember, By the inch it's a cinch, by the yard it's hard! Been there!
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Homeport: Sunny SW FL
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Jimmy.S
RO# 31922
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Posted - Apr 04 2012 : 08:45:55
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UPDATE:
It will Be A little bit before I actually get started, I am currently at A stalemate with the marina and neither of us are going to give. So I am in the process of setting up A land move, cross your fingers on this deal..
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Jimmy.S
1969, 42' Pacemaker motor yacht "ELENA LYNN" Kendall, NY.
If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats,, he would have made fiberglass trees. |
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froggy3k
RO# 4247
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Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 20:47:38
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Let us know. Good luck!
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Homeport: Sunny SW FL
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Thudpucker
RO# 10503
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Posted - Apr 08 2012 : 14:01:26
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Jimmy you can make an External patch on that hole to move it in the water.
Just plywood and wood screws will work. Might drag a little but it's as good as a newly repaired hull when you just need to move the boat in the water.
Also, read up on Nail-Sick and the new Coasties inspection process for wood boats in Commercial use.
There's lot's of Wood boat guys on this forum.
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Homeport: AL.
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L. Keith
RO# 1615
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Posted - Apr 08 2012 : 18:42:02
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The money pit starts.
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Homeport: N. Gulf of Mexico
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Jimmy.S
RO# 31922
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Posted - Apr 22 2012 : 18:46:49
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Well,
I got the cash for the moving man, calling first thing in the morning to get on the A.S.A.P list and heading up first thing Friday morning to prep for the move. I have to take off the fly bridge, quick fix the hole in the hull just for the move I will do it right throughout the summer when I do the bottom over, remove everything I don't need there, and get everything movable tied down. Photos to follow.
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Jimmy.S
1969, 42' Pacemaker motor yacht "ELENA LYNN" Kendall, NY.
If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats,, he would have made fiberglass trees. |
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Homeport: PA
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Jimmy.S
RO# 31922
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Posted - Apr 23 2012 : 14:47:39
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OK, called the movin man and he has me down for between May 13th and 20th, he will give me A more solid date and time as we get closer to movin time. I let my marina know and he is finally happy, now I have A list of crap he wants me to do for prep,, what A pain, but were moving forward.
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Jimmy.S
1969, 42' Pacemaker motor yacht "ELENA LYNN" Kendall, NY.
If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats,, he would have made fiberglass trees. |
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Homeport: PA
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Jimmy.S
RO# 31922
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Posted - May 07 2012 : 18:27:17
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ALLRIGHTY then,
Went up to the boat this past weekend, all but one bailed on me so it was just the two of us. Mover needs her to be no higher then 13' 6" so we took some measurements first thing, and wouldn't you know it,,, 14' 6" without the fly bridge, pilot house must come off. So we got all the wiring, steering cables, throttle/ transmission cables all disconnected and neatly stowed under the helm, got the light mast off, antennas taped to the railings unloaded everything from the boat to my truck, etc. We are now at the point that there is nothing left in or on her except deck and interior furniture which as per the contract is good. The only things left is to cut off the fly bridge pull the screws from the pilot house and move that to the fore deck pull the props, tape the glass and all the doors shut and fix the hole in the hull. I didn't take any pictures this trip because nothing really happened worth taking pictures of. We will be heading back up Friday to cover the rest of the list, The moving man is paid in full and will be moving her the week of the 21st. I will keep you all posted..
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Jimmy.S
1969, 42' Pacemaker motor yacht "ELENA LYNN" Kendall, NY.
If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats,, he would have made fiberglass trees. |
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boatbum
RO# 36
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Posted - May 07 2012 : 18:36:43
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Good luck Jim. Just moving the boat is a project!
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OLD HOUSEBOATER
RO# 9099
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Posted - May 07 2012 : 23:59:08
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Quit while your ahead and burn it. Single Planked Paces weren't much when new and sure didn't improve with age. They have to be kept in the water year around to be kept tight. Recaulking one of these puppys is an 80 hour job.
When your done, if you get done, you will have an old wooden boat with very little value.
The bottom looks bad, it is, but the cost of fixing all the topside rot will be double what you put into the bottom. You will invest your time and $25,000+ and, in the end have a white elephant.
I know you have a dream, but this is a for sure nightmare.
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RO# 4846
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Posted - May 08 2012 : 10:41:19
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Originally posted by OLD HOUSEBOATER
Quit while your ahead and burn it. Single Planked Paces weren't much when new and sure didn't improve with age. They have to be kept in the water year around to be kept tight. Recaulking one of these puppys is an 80 hour job.
When your done, if you get done, you will have an old wooden boat with very little value.
The bottom looks bad, it is, but the cost of fixing all the topside rot will be double what you put into the bottom. You will invest your time and $25,000+ and, in the end have a white elephant.
I know you have a dream, but this is a for sure nightmare.
I hate to have to agree with the above but I do.
I was good friends with a guy who almost restored a Richardson before it broke him. The boat was in much better shape than this one but wasn't worth the cost to store it on the hard for a season.
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norman
RO# 6397
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Posted - May 08 2012 : 11:11:25
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Jimmy I admire your tenacity, diligence and backbone. God knows I would have given up long ago. If this is your passion and you've got the moxie to see it through (and something tells me you have) I for one wish you good luck.
If you can follow this project to the end the rewards will be that much sweeter.
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rnbenton
RO# 31163
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Posted - May 08 2012 : 11:39:30
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Is the boat in your profile picture the same one pictured above in this thread?
Bob
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Key West 196 Bay Reef, 150 Yamaha
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cwms
RO# 7357
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Posted - May 08 2012 : 12:14:59
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Originally posted by rnbenton
Is the boat in your profile picture the same one pictured above in this thread?
Bob
Yes, it is.
I've been following this since Jimmy bought the boat quite a while back.
Hate to say it, but way back then, I thought he was getting in over his head on this, but as said above, you have to admire the guy for his persistance and hard work.
He's done a ton of work to this boat and unfortunately, several tons more to go.
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Jimmy.S
RO# 31922
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Posted - May 09 2012 : 19:22:05
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Yup that's her,, my second wife. here is A better picture before the marina broke her again, I would be A lot further if I didn't have to keep fixing their damage. Last winter I had stop the restoration project to replace 14 ribs and 6 hull planks they broke after they dropped her off the trailer twice at haul out 2 summers ago, she never went in last summer because the new damage they did trying to pick her up for last summers reset.
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Jimmy.S
1969, 42' Pacemaker motor yacht "ELENA LYNN" Kendall, NY.
If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats,, he would have made fiberglass trees. |
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HOGAN
RO# 3813
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 Posted - May 10 2012 : 08:08:18
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I certainly hope that the marina that damaged your boat is paying for the repairs.
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Jimmy.S
RO# 31922
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Posted - May 10 2012 : 08:56:08
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Didn't see A dime, I just fixed it myself and ate it. He never paid anything brother, that's A big part of why the bank foreclosed on the marina. He never paid anything, that's why we all gotta move. The new owners are clearing the place out and renovating the whole marina. Dredging, all new docks, repaving the parking lot, all new walk ways with pathway lighting, etc, etc, etc. Basically finishing everything the way it should have been done once he started it 10 or 11 years ago but took the money and bought stupid shtuff with instead of putting it in the marina like he was supposed to.
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Jimmy.S
1969, 42' Pacemaker motor yacht "ELENA LYNN" Kendall, NY.
If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats,, he would have made fiberglass trees. |
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - May 10 2012 : 09:27:22
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It's actually a very nicely designed boat.
Would love to see pics of the inside.
It looks like it has like 4 different levels.
If they made a boat like this in fiberglass, I would be all over it!
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nwaring
RO# 16045
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Posted - May 10 2012 : 12:21:52
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Reminds me of Pascal's hat
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cwms
RO# 7357
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Posted - May 10 2012 : 12:31:47
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quote:
Originally posted by CurrentSea
It's actually a very nicely designed boat.
Would love to see pics of the inside.
It looks like it has like 4 different levels.
If they made a boat like this in fiberglass, I would be all over it!
For the full story and lots more pictures, check out Jimmy's original thread.
http://www.boatered.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=134575
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Homeport: VA
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caltexfla
RO# 14522
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Posted - May 10 2012 : 13:32:46
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Most of these "project boats" owners seem to start out like this, Jimmy's first post:
http://www.boatered.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=134464
And end up something like we see here. Would you still say you "stole" this boat? I commented at the time in response, as to how much money the former owner threw in on the deal.
Anyway a cautionary tale for others. I admire his tenacity, and ability to do a lot of this work, but it is beginning to remind me of the movie Fitzcarraldo, as well as the documentary about the making of the movie.
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cwms
RO# 7357
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Posted - May 10 2012 : 14:48:43
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Originally posted by caltexfla
Most of these "project boats" owners seem to start out like this, Jimmy's first post:
http://www.boatered.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=134464
And end up something like we see here. Would you still say you "stole" this boat? I commented at the time in response, as to how much money the former owner threw in on the deal.
Anyway a cautionary tale for others. I admire his tenacity, and ability to do a lot of this work, but it is beginning to remind me of the movie Fitzcarraldo, as well as the documentary about the making of the movie.
Never saw this thread. Only the other as I posted to it several times (being the former owner of a wood boat).
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OLD HOUSEBOATER
RO# 9099
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Posted - May 10 2012 : 15:59:39
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Jimmy paid $3000 and took on the project, the storage, and the disposal responsibility. YAAAAAAA.
The last wood boat project for me was a chainsaw and burn for the screws. Never did trust the screws so
it ended up being exercize. 40 years ago.
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Jimmy.S
RO# 31922
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Posted - May 11 2012 : 15:08:00
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Yes, I would still say it. So far I haven't really put out much in the lines of cash. I got A twin Woodie for free and took it apart through winter and stored it, that's where all the timber came from. I paid for one summer and two winters, which I would have had to pay weather she was wood or glass. I put out 100 bucks for the rib material because I had none on hand at the time I needed it. As for the time and labor, I love doing it so I really don't give two craps about that. As for the rest of the project I will be looking at about another 5 grand to complete the " project " I got the time and I have the founds. So, for A boat that was surveyed 4 years ago at 800 grand replacement, I would still say I stole it, only being in it for about 15 or 20 said and done. I will not be cutting her up, or burning, dumping her or any other, do I tell you to do it with yours? I do it because I love it and I love my boat. Last I checked it was boating and everything has to be fixed at one time or another, that's the nature of the game if you cant handle it then its time to get the heck out. I hate these guys that cant or will not fix their own stuff because they are simply too lazy or just don't have the knowledge to do it themselves and they just dump it and buy new or newer. so yes I love my boat and my project. thank you. Sorry if I offended the wrong people, any positive or negative feedback will be appreciated, HOWEVER I will not tolerate anyone suggesting that I destroy my boat.
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Jimmy.S
1969, 42' Pacemaker motor yacht "ELENA LYNN" Kendall, NY.
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rnbenton
RO# 31163
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Posted - May 11 2012 : 15:52:04
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Originally posted by Jimmy.S
So, for A boat that was surveyed 4 years ago at 800 grand replacement, I would still say I stole it, only being in it for about 15 or 20 said and done.
Although I surely and truly admire your tenacity and devotion to your boat, whomever the surveyor was that gave a "800 grand" replacement value for that boat 4 years ago was smoking some serious stuff.
Actually, I can't wait to see her back up to snuff and in the water.
Bob
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Gib9344
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Posted - May 11 2012 : 20:09:39
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Good luck jimmy! I want to see more pictures though.
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Pa Mikee
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Posted - May 11 2012 : 20:54:21
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Truefully, after reading this thread and the other threads I would not even think of owning a boat such as this one. The $800K is not what the boat is worth. Try getting it insured for that amount! We all drool over the classic wood boats that are fully restored. A wooden boat is a rich man's toy. It would be best to understand that it's going to $X,000 a year to keep her.
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OLD HOUSEBOATER
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Posted - May 12 2012 : 11:04:05
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$800,000 is what a new boat of the same size and equipment would cost.
It is not a bogus figure. Most surveys list a replacement value.
These figures are more relavent when the survey is on recent model year boat.
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Posted - May 12 2012 : 17:54:30
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It depends on what your pastime of choice is, boating or the boat itself. If you have the time, skills, and love for the work, restoring an old boat is a great hobby. If you value your time at zero, then of course the cost is relatively minimal. There are others of us who are in it because we love boating, and lack the time, or skills or love for the work (or all of the above). We may put a high price on the value of our time as well. It's not a matter of being lazy. By my personal standards, Jimmy's boat is incredibly expensive, impossibly so given the time and effort required to restore it. Not to mention that at the end of the day, it will still be a 43 year old and counting Pacemaker. That's why love is a wonderful and very necessary thing. I wish him the best of good fortune with his venture, and many happy days on the water once she is seaworthy.
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Jimmy.S
RO# 31922
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Posted - May 12 2012 : 20:15:10
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Thanks for your comments guys I do appreciate it and it is sometimes the only thing that keeps me going,,,we got A ton done so far, I will upload the pictures when I get home. We are still here,but the flying bridge is gone and in the back of my truck, the hole is gone, the pilot house is all unscrewed and just sitting there on it's own accord, just gotta pop the top, props and tape the glass and doors should be an easy day and out by noon tomorrow. Not bad for two old guys EH. lol.
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Jimmy.S
1969, 42' Pacemaker motor yacht "ELENA LYNN" Kendall, NY.
If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats,, he would have made fiberglass trees. |
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Jimmy.S
RO# 31922
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Posted - May 14 2012 : 06:56:39
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Flying Bridge is gone.
Hole is gone.
Vinnie
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Jimmy.S
1969, 42' Pacemaker motor yacht "ELENA LYNN" Kendall, NY.
If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats,, he would have made fiberglass trees. |
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Jimmy.S
RO# 31922
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Posted - May 15 2012 : 08:20:52
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Finally got the pictures from Vinnie late last night so I posted them first chance I got,, Enjoy.
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Jimmy.S
1969, 42' Pacemaker motor yacht "ELENA LYNN" Kendall, NY.
If God wanted us to have fiberglass boats,, he would have made fiberglass trees. |
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