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TarHeeLBoater
RO# 21997
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Posted - Mar 27 2012 : 18:54:41
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I winterized my boat in NC why? I feel like we never had a winter here. Better safe than sorry I guess
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gcolton
RO# 9708
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Posted - Mar 28 2012 : 05:51:09
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All of the winter stayed in Alaska this year. There was some type of "weather system" that put up a wall and did not let the cold make its normal trip south. That is why Alaska had a worse than normal winter.
George
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Good Grief
RO# 13137
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Posted - Mar 28 2012 : 06:25:13
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Stayed in Alaska -- and Europe. Buddy of mine was in Munich in mid Feb - below zero (F) most days . . . way cold for that location.
It seems anicdotes on global warming are always local, not global . ....
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Homeport: Cortlandt Yacht Club, Montrose, NY
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cwms
RO# 7357
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Posted - Mar 28 2012 : 12:30:40
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Debate about global warming (or not warming) all you want, but there's no denying the fact that the polar icecaps are getting smaller every year.
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pdecat
RO# 842
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Posted - Mar 28 2012 : 12:39:38
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cwms:: So what???
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Bruce
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RO# 1967
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 Posted - Mar 28 2012 : 12:59:23
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Originally posted by cwms
Debate about global warming (or not warming) all you want, but there's no denying the fact that the polar icecaps are getting smaller every year.
Over what period, 6 months, 6 years, 600 years, or 6 hundred thousand years?
Most say the cycle is very long.
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rommer
RO# 12280
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Posted - Mar 28 2012 : 13:49:49
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quote:
Originally posted by cwms
Debate about global warming (or not warming) all you want, but there's no denying the fact that the polar icecaps are getting smaller every year.
And that proves exactly what? How about a link to back up this claim?
Doesn't the ice cap get larger and smaller every year?
As far as I'm concerned warm weather is best. Bring it on.
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cwms
RO# 7357
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Posted - Mar 28 2012 : 14:29:14
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First of all, I'm not some nut job, tree hugging environmentalist who keeps a portrait of Al Gore over my bed.
I'm not advocating anything.
All I'm saying...I've seen enough satelite photos of the polar ice caps (TV, internet, newsmedia, etc.) to see that the ice caps are a lot smaller now than they were 20-30 years ago. And yes rommer, I do realize the Artic ice cap is a lot smaller in July than it is in February. And guess what, I'm even smart enough to know that the Antartic ice cap is a lot smaller in February than it is in August.
And pdecat..."So what?" when enough ice melts that the ocean levels rise another 10-15 inches as expected, there's going to be a lot of land that will no longer be inhabitable.
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meide
RO# 13472
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Posted - Mar 28 2012 : 15:34:36
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Actaully concern about polar ice caps melting will have NO impact on sea levels. Anyone who has done a simple experiment with ice cubes in a glass of water know that the water level does NOT rise as the ice melts since the ice cubes displace exactly the same amount of water will result when they melt. Now if you had complained that the ice sheets on Greenland melting would cause a problem you might have had a point. But any floating ice that melts in the Arctic will have absolutely NO impact on sea levels.
Mike
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getakey
RO# 32379
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Posted - Mar 28 2012 : 15:44:53
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Most of the ice on Antarctica covers land, not floating. However, I don't think a relatively small raise in temp will effect the South ice.
The reports I have seen show the greatest threat is thermal expansion of water due to higher temps. This could account for a 20inch rise in 100 yrs or so
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rommer
RO# 12280
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Posted - Mar 28 2012 : 15:50:15
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quote:
Originally posted by meide
Actaully concern about polar ice caps melting will have NO impact on sea levels. Anyone who has done a simple experiment with ice cubes in a glass of water know that the water level does NOT rise as the ice melts since the ice cubes displace exactly the same amount of water will result when they melt. Now if you had complained that the ice sheets on Greenland melting would cause a problem you might have had a point. But any floating ice that melts in the Arctic will have absolutely NO impact on sea levels.
Mike
Thanks for saving me from having to type this out. You're spot on.
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pdecat
RO# 842
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Posted - Mar 28 2012 : 16:17:25
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Mike is correct. Furthermore the earth goes through temperature cycles of varying duration and has been generally in a warming cycle since the last ice age ended about 17,000 years ago. So what? Humans have to get over ourselves, not everything that happens is our responsibility.
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Bruce
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TarHeeLBoater
RO# 21997
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Posted - Mar 28 2012 : 16:51:38
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I did not mean to open a can of worms here. I was not complaining in the least. My divorce ater 25 year marriage is finally complete. My new Girl Friend has never been on a boat oh what shall we do? Evil grin
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Pa Mikee
RO# 32785
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Posted - Mar 28 2012 : 16:56:42
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Most of us will be pushing daisies by the time the effects of Global Warming make a significant impact.
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getakey
RO# 32379
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TarHeeLBoater
RO# 21997
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Posted - Mar 28 2012 : 17:07:52
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Thanks getakey
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Cobalt 25
RO# 471
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Posted - Apr 05 2012 : 22:18:07
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I'm not so sure most of us will be pushing daisies by the time global warming makes a significant impact. Incontrovertible scientific evidence exists right now that supports climate change. But even if that were to be true, most of us would agree that we want to leave the world a better place for our kids, grandkids, great grandkids, etc.
I am a long time believer in global warming. Last night my wife and I went to a lecture by author Elizabeth Kolbert, which motivated me to write.
Trying to change the minds of climate change deniers is not my intent. If there are people out there who are still undecided about this issue, I offer this information in the hopes that it may help in their decision making process.
Here is a list of organizations that accept anthropogenic global warming as real and scientifically well-supported:
NASA’s Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS): http://www.giss.nasa.gov/edu/gwdebate/
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA): http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC): http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/index.htm
National Academy of Sciences (NAS): http://books.nap.edu/collections/global_warming/index.html
State of the Canadian Cryosphere (SOCC) – http://www.socc.ca/permafrost/permafrost_future_e.cfm
Environmental Protection Agency (EPA): http://epa.gov/climatechange/index.html
The Royal Society of the UK (RS) – http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/page.asp?id=3135
American Geophysical Union (AGU): http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/policy/climate_change_position.html
American Meteorological Society (AMS): http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/climatechangeresearch_2003.html
American Institute of Physics (AIP): http://www.aip.org/gov/policy12.html
National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR): http://eo.ucar.edu/basics/cc_1.html
American Meteorological Society (AMS): http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/jointacademies.html
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society (CMOS): http://www.cmos.ca/climatechangepole.html
Every major scientific institution dealing with climate, ocean, and/or atmosphere agrees that the climate is warming rapidly and the primary cause is human CO2 emissions.
In addition, two leading political figures- George W. Bush and John McCain also recognize climate change. Here is a McCain video from 2007! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQMxIwpK_es
I believe we really need to do something about this, starting with President Obama.
Peter
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jmeirhofer
RO# 30972
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Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 05:30:56
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Well peter for every "scientific" study you can trudge up stating humans are the cause of climate change I would be willing to bet any one here could find an opposing viewpoint that did not include the falsification of documents to protect their funding.
I have said this before and will again. If climate change was believed by all the worlds scientists (not just those funded by the US), we would be doing one or more of the following
- Building nuclear power plants around the world as well as every region in the US.
- using hydrogen (a by product of nuclear power) to power commercial fleet vehicles including over the road trucks, trains and coastal marine vessels.
- supporting the development of service station to dispense hydrogen to these vehicles. Hydrogen can be stored in much the same way as petroleum fuels.
- eliminating private transportation in major cities throughout the world by increasing public transportation infrastructure.
- remove the cost burden of public transportation for consumers making it attractive to use
- build apartment complexes with the requisite businesses for day to day living next to major factories reducing travel needs for workers and their families. Create incentives for companies to build these and for the people to live there. That includes employment preferences for the non factory jobs for the families that live there.
If climate change were real, we as a world would have gotten behind it by now and followed through on some of these things. But the fact is to much of the documentation has been skewed to keep the funding coming in for research on what they already say they know. If it really is true, why are they still researching it rather than spending those research dollars on building infrastructure that will stop or slow it down?
It is a money making scam that pisses me off because I did not think of it first. There is money to be had in guilt, just ask the catholic church.
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1997 Trojan 440 Express
"Son, I've got a very low bull$*%t tolerance" -- Pancho Carter
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Cobalt 25
RO# 471
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Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 07:56:13
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John,
Could you please provide links which would offer proof of falsification of documents to protect the funding of the 13 agencies, 3 of which are non-US based, listed?
You feel this whole issue is a conspiracy, I get that.
I agree with many of the suggestions you stated for improving the situation. And perhaps they are still doing research in the hopes that somehow climate change deniers will eventually deal with reality. But my guess is that if skeptics are not convinced by now, they never will. You and I will just have to disagree.
But who in this world do you think wields more power- the corporations that run America and stand to continue to profit by unrestricted growth or some scientist sitting in an office in Woods Hole, Massachusetts? I believe that corporations are much better at money making scams than scientists.
Peter
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Homeport: Cape Cod and the islands, and Lake Winnipe
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stmbtwle
RO# 7934
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Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 08:08:13
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The deniers will all eventually die. Their kids will have to deal with reality.
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Homeport: Tampa Bay, FL
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ronp
RO# 23477
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Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 08:24:21
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This is getting a long way from boating related.
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jmeirhofer
RO# 30972
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Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 09:01:19
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I have to agree with Ron this should probably move to nbr.
Peter I am not going to provide you with the links. I am taking a the liberal road on this. Don't believe me you provide the links. It was all over the news a. Purple of years ago that much of the data used was falsified. And if you don't think there is big money in research grants then you really do not know a whole lot about science in general.
Not a conspiriost just a realist.
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John
1997 Trojan 440 Express
"Son, I've got a very low bull$*%t tolerance" -- Pancho Carter
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ronlord
RO# 2010
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Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 10:47:14
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More water, warmer weather, what's not to like about global warming? Bring it on.
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ALKA2710
RO# 25407
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Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 15:40:22
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I think its safe to say the earth has been thawing and freezing in cycles for a long time. I also think its possible that we may be helping it along a little. But I don't think its all us.
A.
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Tim Bromund
RO# 18797
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Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 16:33:50
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Peter,
what caused the glaciers to recede and send us into the current interglacial period? it certainly wasn't man's influence.
Where I live has, in times past, been covered by both hundreds of feet of glacial ice and hundreds of feet of inland sea.
You don't suppose that it might just be part of long term climatic cycles do ya??? ..... nah, couldn't be that.
Tim
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Cobalt 25
RO# 471
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Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 20:11:07
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ronlord kinda brings it back to being boating related by extolling the virtues of more water as a result of climate change. Do you think the people of New Orleans and Bangladesh would agree with you, ronlord?
John, how can you expect anyone to support your position if you don't provide links? I supplied you with 13 links to support what I was saying, it's not my responsibility to provide your links!
I don't claim to know a lot about science in general. But I think I am smart enough to realize that the scientists from every major scientific institution who agree that the climate is warming rapidly and the primary cause is humans know a heckuva more than I do.
According to the link I am providing you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_corporate_profits_and_losses) your friends at Exxon/Mobil have generated the largest corporate annual earnings of all time for the years 2008, 2006, 2007, 2005, and 2011, totalling in excess of two hundred billion dollars. I know this piddly amount is only one corporation, but thats a lotta research grants.
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Tim R
RO# 2009
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Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 20:30:25
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quote:
Originally posted by meide
Actaully concern about polar ice caps melting will have NO impact on sea levels. Anyone who has done a simple experiment with ice cubes in a glass of water know that the water level does NOT rise as the ice melts since the ice cubes displace exactly the same amount of water will result when they melt. Now if you had complained that the ice sheets on Greenland melting would cause a problem you might have had a point. But any floating ice that melts in the Arctic will have absolutely NO impact on sea levels.
Mike
About 90 % of the world's ice is on the Antarctica land mass. If all of the Antarctic ice melted (theoretically), sea levels would rise approximately 200 feet.
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getakey
RO# 32379
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Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 20:39:53
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quote:
Originally posted by Tim R
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Originally posted by meide
Actaully concern about polar ice caps melting will have NO impact on sea levels. Anyone who has done a simple experiment with ice cubes in a glass of water know that the water level does NOT rise as the ice melts since the ice cubes displace exactly the same amount of water will result when they melt. Now if you had complained that the ice sheets on Greenland melting would cause a problem you might have had a point. But any floating ice that melts in the Arctic will have absolutely NO impact on sea levels.
Mike
About 90 % of the world's ice is on the Antarctica land mass. If all of the Antarctic ice melted (theoretically), sea levels would rise approximately 200 feet.
But no one in the scientific community thinks global warming will do that. Melting Northern Pole ice will do nothing as it is floating.
However, the current trend in warming will cause sea level to rise upwards of 15 inches due to thermal expansion of the water.
But, 15 to 20 inches can mean a lot of shoreline in some places.
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jmeirhofer
RO# 30972
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Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 21:27:08
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Peter - believe what you want I really don't give as rats a$s. If you don't remember it or don't want to remember it being all over the news a couple years ago then nothing I shows you I'll change you mind. Your 13 source have not proved a thing. I have provided links documenting this before here on boatered. Do a search for yourself. I am not doing it again. It is as waste of air with any one that thinks global warming is man made.
Here is another example. Why can gross polluters by carbon credits? While not having to clean up their act? Why doesn't the world health organization demand sanctions on countries that are gross polluters like china, Thailand half the rest of Asia? Your right there is money to be made alright. Big money to make off guilt ridden Americans that feel it is their sole responsibility to save the world from itself.
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John
1997 Trojan 440 Express
"Son, I've got a very low bull$*%t tolerance" -- Pancho Carter
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jmeirhofer
RO# 30972
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Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 21:32:48
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And just how do you consider Exxon and Mobil my friends and just what do their profits have to do with global warming? Not jack. Again if global warming were a serious threat as our government who wants more of our money to "study" it claims then they would stop studying and start doing.
If you are so concerned about global warming and the humongous profits of what you greenies call big oil might I suggest you stop using petroleum based products.
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John
1997 Trojan 440 Express
"Son, I've got a very low bull$*%t tolerance" -- Pancho Carter
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meide
RO# 13472
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Posted - Apr 06 2012 : 23:06:42
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For all of you the believe man-made global warming is a fact please take a look at the following. It presents the best argument against the flawed tree ring studies which are the basis of the climate change debate.
www.john-daly.com/hockey/hockey.htm
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meide
RO# 13472
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Posted - Apr 08 2012 : 20:53:03
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I didn't really mean to end the discussion by posting a link to a source that refutes most of the global warming crowd's arguments. I can only presume the lack of responses means that nobody bothered to look at the paper. Or that they did and now have doubts about man-made global warning but are afraid to admit it.
Mike
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flightconn
RO# 32312
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Posted - Apr 09 2012 : 00:43:46
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Originally posted by Cobalt 25
ronlord kinda brings it back to being boating related by extolling the virtues of more water as a result of climate change. Do you think the people of New Orleans and Bangladesh would agree with you, ronlord?
John, how can you expect anyone to support your position if you don't provide links? I supplied you with 13 links to support what I was saying, it's not my responsibility to provide your links!
I don't claim to know a lot about science in general. But I think I am smart enough to realize that the scientists from every major scientific institution who agree that the climate is warming rapidly and the primary cause is humans know a heckuva more than I do.
According to the link I am providing you (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_corporate_profits_and_losses) your friends at Exxon/Mobil have generated the largest corporate annual earnings of all time for the years 2008, 2006, 2007, 2005, and 2011, totalling in excess of two hundred billion dollars. I know this piddly amount is only one corporation, but thats a lotta research grants.
Peter
I just don't understand how those on this board that truly believe there is manmade global warming can continue to boat. Most boats get worse gas mileage than the most offending SUV (I know mine is measured in gallons per mile) I don't get it, you are on here complaining that more is not being done to prevent manmade CO2 discharge, yet you boat. I will not call this hypocritical, but I would like you to tell me why it is not. A global warmist that boats is no better than Al Gore with his 20,000.00 electric bill every month (that was before he and Tipper broke up the Love Story - she probably got the house) and flying around in a private jet - that is hypocritical by anyone's definition. (I am sure some will say not by my definition, I will just say it should be.)
Here is a link to falsified documents. It is just first one I picked after doing a search, they're hundreds so if you don't like this one, pick your own. And John is right, this has been news for quite some time now. If you really don't know about it, it is only because you don't want to.
How much do you want for your boat?
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/11/20/possible-conspiracy-misreport-temperatures-found-media-mum
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flightconn
RO# 32312
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Posted - Apr 09 2012 : 11:36:22
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Originally posted by MIke F
Cobalt 25:
Look at:
http://www.naturalclimatechange.us/natural%20climate%20change-%20adds%2012-3-10/References%20on%20global%20warming%20hoax.pdf
Total of 29 books, 7 dvd's,and 35 papers/reports by some of the most respected scientists in the world, all showing the human-caused climate change as a hoax based upon forced data, incomplete models, and politically motivated ignorance.
The climate is a dynamic system, inherently changing. Further as any scientist knows, consensus has no meaning in uncovering the truth.
Since this thread has already gone NBR, I will ask a personal question.
Mike, did you ever work for AMSCO when it was in Erie? I worked for them for years and had many trips to Erie and got to spend a lot of time on the Lake with friends (there, kept it boating related)
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getakey
RO# 32379
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flightconn
RO# 32312
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Posted - Apr 09 2012 : 12:05:35
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Originally posted by getakey
Definitely warmer this year
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/story/2012-04-09/record-warm-march/54127040/1
You read the whole article, right?
While March was warm east of the Rockies, the West Coast and Alaska shivered through a cold, raw month: March was cooler-than-average in Washington, Oregon and California, while Alaska had its 10th-coolest March on record.
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MIke F
RO# 95
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Posted - Apr 09 2012 : 15:26:17
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I consulted with them many years ago (physics of implants) --they were purchased by Steris
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flightconn
RO# 32312
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Posted - Apr 09 2012 : 15:32:36
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Your name sounded familiar thought just maybe...
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jmeirhofer
RO# 30972
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Posted - Apr 09 2012 : 16:03:06
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Off topic but what did you two do at amsco? I purchased a lot of amsco stuff and subsequently steris.
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John
1997 Trojan 440 Express
"Son, I've got a very low bull$*%t tolerance" -- Pancho Carter
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getakey
RO# 32379
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Posted - Apr 09 2012 : 16:04:21
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quote:
Originally posted by flightconn
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Originally posted by getakey
Definitely warmer this year
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/story/2012-04-09/record-warm-march/54127040/1
You read the whole article, right?
While March was warm east of the Rockies, the West Coast and Alaska shivered through a cold, raw month: March was cooler-than-average in Washington, Oregon and California, while Alaska had its 10th-coolest March on record.
Yup - read the whole thing. What's your point?
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Cobalt 25
RO# 471
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Posted - Apr 09 2012 : 18:34:01
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flightconn,
Life is full of inconsistencies, but I see your point about boating. I try to justify the fuel issue by the fact that for the past 35 years I have been harvesting the wood on my land and using it to heat my house in Vermont. I wouldn't be doing it if I didn't enjoy it- the amount of physical labor involved is obvious. But I do believe that if I compared the oil I would have burned all these years against the boat fuel used, I feel less guilty.
I have not responded to the refutations offered because I stated in my first post that my intent was not to try to convince deniers. I don't think any kind of scientific data will do that, even from the 13 organizations I cited.
But if we do our best to stem the flow of CO2 into the earth's atmosphere and it turns out people like me were wrong, the earth still benefits. However, if the conspiracy theorist deniers are wrong and we don't do a damn thing to change the way we do things, our offspring are in for a world of hurt.
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getakey
RO# 32379
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Posted - Apr 09 2012 : 18:39:00
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I would think burning wood will put a lot more CO2 and other stuff than a more efficient oil furnace
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MIke F
RO# 95
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Posted - Apr 09 2012 : 18:42:50
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"conspiracy theorist deniers" that says it all. Al Gore was one of the first to resort to name-calling--typical of those who are unable to politely and respectfully argue their position using facts developed using a reasonable scientific procedure.
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jmeirhofer
RO# 30972
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Posted - Apr 09 2012 : 19:35:38
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Peter - several folks posted links to the falsification of the data used by those in your 13 links. Btw they are all using the same unproven data. Again, the only onspirists are those selling you a carbon credits to burn petroleum products. Let's say your data is correct, in 500-1000 years we will have created a green house effect that will turn most of Canada into the tropics. Yet at our current use of petroleum products compounded by population growth we are realistically looking at 200-250 years of oil left. Since cutting back on the use simply draws out the amount of time it is used but does nothing to a dress the actual problem, then the logical solution would be to get it out of the ground and use it up as quickly as possible. This way we could force the development of actual alternatives. Something that has not happened and will not happen until we as a world are forced to do so. Until the All Gore and his ilk are getting others such ad yourself to do the bidding of their religion for them. Well I am many others that I know gave had enough of the BS and are saying put up or shut up. Stop wasting our money on trying to regulate our day to day lives and use the mo eyes to develop an actual solution. Or get out of the way so others can.
Getakey is right, you put more co2 in he air burning wood in your stove than the coal burned would put in the air using a modern energy efficient electric furnace running on power plant juice. And it is nearly double what an energy efficient gas furnace would put in the air.
One last thing, when mt Pinatubo erupted in 1991, scientists estimated it put the same amount of CO2 in the air as 10 years worth of automobile use world wide. It put 32 billion metric tons in the air. The u.s. puts half of the annual automobile emissions a year at 314 million metric tons. Annually volcanos contribute 12 billion metric tons without any major eruptions like we had here with mt saint Helen's. Maybe you guys should try to put some corks in those things
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Posted - Apr 09 2012 : 20:37:50
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Peter - believe what you want I really don't give as rats a$s. If you don't remember it or don't want to remember it being all over the news a couple years ago then nothing I shows you I'll change you mind.
I hate to tell you but if you are refering to "climate gate" it was also in the news not to long ago that all that so called false information, data and studies were looked into again independently and found to be accurate.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15373071
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flightconn
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Posted - Apr 09 2012 : 23:37:06
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Definitely warmer this year
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/story/2012-04-09/record-warm-march/54127040/1
You read the whole article, right?
While March was warm east of the Rockies, the West Coast and Alaska shivered through a cold, raw month: March was cooler-than-average in Washington, Oregon and California, while Alaska had its 10th-coolest March on record.
Yup - read the whole thing. What's your point?
My point was pretty simple, you said definitely warmer and that was true for part of the massage, but you didn't mention definitely colder in other parts of the country - just wondering if you missed that part, that's all - no malice intent.
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flightconn
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Posted - Apr 09 2012 : 23:54:09
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Originally posted by jmeirhofer
Off topic but what did you two do at amsco? I purchased a lot of amsco stuff and subsequently steris.
John,
Sent you a PM
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getakey
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Posted - Apr 10 2012 : 00:29:12
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Originally posted by flightconn
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Originally posted by getakey
Definitely warmer this year
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/story/2012-04-09/record-warm-march/54127040/1
You read the whole article, right?
While March was warm east of the Rockies, the West Coast and Alaska shivered through a cold, raw month: March was cooler-than-average in Washington, Oregon and California, while Alaska had its 10th-coolest March on record.
Yup - read the whole thing. What's your point?
My point was pretty simple, you said definitely warmer and that was true for part of the massage, but you didn't mention definitely colder in other parts of the country - just wondering if you missed that part, that's all - no malice intent.
gotcha and understood
I think everyone is agreeing there is some global warming underway
IMHO I suspect we humans have something to do with it. Who knows if it is 1% or 10% or 50%
But time will tell and people down the road will be dealing with it.
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MIke F
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Posted - Apr 10 2012 : 08:16:43
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On the contrary, no one is agreeing on global warming since literally all of the measurements, whether from satellites, ground stations, tree rings, ice cores,etc do not definitively measure the same value--the measurement systems each have their inherent flaws. The Temperature of a dynamic system, the climate, intrinsically ever-changing, is as useful as measuring the position and velocity of a single molecule in a room. Further in science, agreement (consensus) is useless in determining the veracity of a theory. Galileo said it very well, "In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual".
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getakey
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Posted - Apr 10 2012 : 12:05:18
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On the contrary, no one is agreeing on global warming since literally all of the measurements, whether from satellites, ground stations, tree rings, ice cores,etc do not definitively measure the same value--the measurement systems each have their inherent flaws. The Temperature of a dynamic system, the climate, intrinsically ever-changing, is as useful as measuring the position and velocity of a single molecule in a room. Further in science, agreement (consensus) is useless in determining the veracity of a theory. Galileo said it very well, "In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual".
Well, there are a few polar bears that think it is getting warmer
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