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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - May 07 2012 : 14:36:07
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Rob, just follow Walter it isn't difficult.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
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Little Egg, N.J. |
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Homeport: Tuckerton, N.J.
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Robski97
RO# 7334
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Posted - May 08 2012 : 07:02:02
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LOL... yea i kinda gave up..... PLUG and play sounds like a plan.
Walt, Ill touch base later in week. u around on friday ?
Rob
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walterv
RO# 12640
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Posted - May 08 2012 : 08:01:33
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Will be at the boat after the gym on Friday
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Robski97
RO# 7334
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Posted - May 08 2012 : 08:32:54
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ill see u sometime then sir
Rob
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - May 09 2012 : 09:26:57
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Rob & Walter let us know how you make out and your opinion.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
40 Mainship
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Little Egg, N.J. |
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Homeport: Tuckerton, N.J.
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mixman
RO# 25362
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Posted - May 09 2012 : 09:49:54
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I'm using my Rogue on Green Turtle Cay. There's plenty of signal from the marina that all devices can pick it up inside the boat (phones, laptops, iPad, etc.), but I like the firewall protection the Rogue gives. Mine is connected to a Cradlepoint router. So the Rogue picks up the AP (access point) and then the Cradlepoint creates another AP inside the boat.
For out-islands in the Abacos, a $30 BTC SIM card for 1gig of data w/in 30 days is still the best deal though as with a cellular amp and external antenna there's always some GSM signal.
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - May 09 2012 : 15:12:06
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Kurt that is a great use and way to integrate cellular data with a ROGUE on a boat or RV. Both platforms are rebroadcast from the CradlePoint router internal AP. The new CradlePoint router software (esp. the connection manager) is great when marrying the ROGUE or similar WiFi CAT5 based units and almost any USB 3G or 4G cellular modem. You just have to download the proper drivers from CradlePoint and cellular USB modem. They also have excellent technical help if you purchase the CradlePoint from the 3G Store.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
40 Mainship
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Little Egg, N.J. |
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Homeport: Tuckerton, N.J.
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Audrey II
RO# 30499
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 Posted - May 09 2012 : 15:20:24
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Originally posted by Billylll
It depends on the router, somehave no power settings at all. I find 10dbm to 20dbm (10mw to 100mw) to be more then enough. I wouldn't run the router in N mode either if you can chose pick B&G mixed mode.
Bill
What is wrong with N mode?
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Dave
I just wish common sense was a little more common.
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - May 09 2012 : 16:09:03
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Consider this the ROGUE and most units that are similar look for all the channels when scanning. They only operate & output in B & G mode so why rebroadcast N mode a 20MHz to 40MHz wide noise source when it will be of no benefit when rebraodcasting WiFi from the ROGUE by the boats interior N router?
For an N router to be properly used every link must be 802.11N.
The noise created by N mode will actually degrade range & performance of the ROGUE. You pick up no speed adavantage. This only applies to the discussion as in boats and standard marine grade WiFi products.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
40 Mainship
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Little Egg, N.J. |
Edited by - Billylll on May 11 2013 10:41:34 |
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - May 09 2012 : 16:18:47
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Now if you want a fancy Ubiquiti Rocket M2 with a MIMO antenna on the roof of the boat then rebroadcast inside using a 5GHz N Rocket M5 which I have actually built and tried this will fly and take advantage of N based shore AP's. You could also use the GPS timed Rocket M2's but you lose the connection manager of the Wave devices. You also need the Marina's AP to be 2GHz MIMO N (My marina has a MIMO antenna and Rocket M2 as one of the Access Points. Most long distance AP's only run in B & G mixed mode.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
40 Mainship
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Little Egg, N.J. |
Edited by - Billylll on May 09 2012 21:40:07 |
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Audrey II
RO# 30499
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Posted - May 09 2012 : 19:11:26
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"Most long distance AP's only run in B & G mode."
Got it:)
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Dave
I just wish common sense was a little more common.
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sierra
RO# 28541
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Posted - Apr 27 2013 : 07:45:36
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Originally posted by Billylll
There is a trick to improve range using this set up, make sure the power level on the inside router is set as low as possible still giving you the coverage needed inside the boat and use a garbage channel like channel 6. Most pro AP's rarely use channel 6 the default channel for out of the box home routers. Channel 6 is so loaded with home routers it is almost unusable over the water unless you have one with a very high RSSI (signal strength).
Bill
Hey Bill -
Quick question about this as I wrap up my Rogue install. Are you saying I SHOULD use channel 6? Will that potentially improve my speeds? Right now I am fininding that if I connect directly to an AP in good range of my laptop I have better speeds than connecting to the same AP through my Rogue/router. Is this just to be expected because of the extra "work" that's happening to get the signal to my device or is there a way to optimize the speed I'm seeing and minimize loss? My router does not appear to have an output power setting but I take it from your post that that only affects the range and not the speed (perhaps what you mean by throughput).
Thanks for any advice.
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sierra
RO# 28541
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Posted - Apr 30 2013 : 07:30:49
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Trying Billy III again... any thoughts on the previous post?
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Originally posted by sierra
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Originally posted by Billylll
There is a trick to improve range using this set up, make sure the power level on the inside router is set as low as possible still giving you the coverage needed inside the boat and use a garbage channel like channel 6. Most pro AP's rarely use channel 6 the default channel for out of the box home routers. Channel 6 is so loaded with home routers it is almost unusable over the water unless you have one with a very high RSSI (signal strength).
Bill
Hey Bill -
Quick question about this as I wrap up my Rogue install. Are you saying I SHOULD use channel 6? Will that potentially improve my speeds? Right now I am fininding that if I connect directly to an AP in good range of my laptop I have better speeds than connecting to the same AP through my Rogue/router. Is this just to be expected because of the extra "work" that's happening to get the signal to my device or is there a way to optimize the speed I'm seeing and minimize loss? My router does not appear to have an output power setting but I take it from your post that that only affects the range and not the speed (perhaps what you mean by throughput).
Thanks for any advice.
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - May 10 2013 : 22:13:03
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Sorry I missed your post and question. Yes I would use channel 6 on your on board rebroadcast bridge router. If all your devices are 802.11A & 5GHz N only that is the ideal bridge router to run with any devices like the Wave Rogue or the high power EC unit. Don't run that 2GHz bridge/router in N mode either set it up for B,G or Super G only and if you can control the internal routers power setting lower it's power or balance it so it covers all areas of your boat while minimizing any speed issues from your Rogue to the shore based access point.
. You will find most serious properly set up commercial access points are set up for channela 1 and 11 or channels 3 and 9. What model is your internal bridge/ router, perhaps I can check to see if there is power control for it. Too much noise from excessive power from the bridge router can have a significant impact on your WiFi "system's" overall speed aka performance.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
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Edited by - Billylll on May 10 2013 22:32:15 |
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JVM225
RO# 28365
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Posted - May 10 2013 : 23:19:43
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Originally posted by CurrentSea
Dave.
I have Internet on my boat. My setup cost me $85 and works. I don't have the range that the rogue has nor do I have the same signal strength but it works.
My antenna and cable I got on eBay. Antenna is a omni directional antenna. I then picked up a used Linksys Wrt54g router. Then I patched router with dd-wrt software. This software turns router into a repeater/booster. So the antena grabs the signal. The router pulls it in. Boosts it. And repeats it wirelessly in the boat. Works good enough that Walter used it on his boat about 100 feet away. Sot it works but won't have the same power as rogue. For me it is perfect. I even did a Skype conference call on it on fire island. If you go that route I can send you my notes.
It won't get you past encrypted wifi. You have to have access to the signal.
Dave
I think there is an Optimum Wifi Hotspot somewhere up by Montauk Highway near my canal. I seem to get strong signal up there. My boat is about 7/10ths of a mile south if there. Do you think your set-up would bring it in from that far away with a decent enough signal?
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sierra
RO# 28541
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Posted - May 11 2013 : 07:01:25
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quote:
Originally posted by BillylllI would use channel 6 on your on board rebroadcast bridge router. If all your devices are 802.11A & 5GHz N only that is the ideal bridge router to run with any devices like the Wave Rogue or the high power EC unit. Don't run that 2GHz bridge/router in N mode either set it up for B,G or Super G only and if you can control the internal routers power setting lower it's power or balance it so it covers all areas of your boat while minimizing any speed issues from your Rogue to the shore based access point.
. You will find most serious properly set up commercial access points are set up for channela 1 and 11 or channels 3 and 9. What model is your internal bridge/ router, perhaps I can check to see if there is power control for it. Too much noise from excessive power from the bridge router can have a significant impact on your WiFi "system's" overall speed aka performance.
Bill
Thanks so much Bill. The router is a Netgear wnr3500lv2. I have now switched it to channel 6 and its 54Mbps mode and I am still seeing about 1/5 the speed that I see when I connect a device directly to my marina's AP. Signal strength to the Wave from the same AP is excellent. Unfortunately and surprisingly, despite all of the settings the Netgear seems to have, adjusting the output power isn't one of them unless I'm missing something. Is that the likely culprit or is there other troubleshooting I should be doing?
Thanks again for sharing your wisdom.
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Audrey II
RO# 30499
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Posted - May 11 2013 : 07:08:08
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I still haven't decided what to do in regards to wifi however I would love to do something soon! I haven't seen an antenna option that works for me, this said I have an 8' whip on the arch that came with the boat, the last owner set it up for a cell phone antenna the cable comes to the helm with a tnc connector I don't suppose I could use this antenna and either change or convert the end? If I could do this I would buy a wave today being this has been my biggest hold up.
Another question is has anybody tried using this setup for inbound connectivity? I would love to plug my Video recording that I have on board into a router and using the DDNS connection log into my system. I just don't think that cablevision provides you with an external IP when you connect I believe it issues an internal IP which prevents me from logging in remotely.
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - May 11 2013 : 10:28:18
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Originally posted by Audrey II
I still haven't decided what to do in regards to wifi however I would love to do something soon! I haven't seen an antenna option that works for me, this said I have an 8' whip on the arch that came with the boat, the last owner set it up for a cell phone antenna the cable comes to the helm with a tnc connector I don't suppose I could use this antenna and either change or convert the end? If I could do this I would buy a wave today being this has been my biggest hold up.
Another question is has anybody tried using this setup for inbound connectivity? I would love to plug my Video recording that I have on board into a router and using the DDNS connection log into my system. I just don't think that cablevision provides you with an external IP when you connect I believe it issues an internal IP which prevents me from logging in remotely.
Dave the cell antenna would need to be changed out to a WiFi (2.3 to 2.5ghz) resonant antenna. Depending on the length and type of the existing cable or where you can mount the ROGUE in relation to your new WiFi antenna you may be able to reuse the existing coaxial cable. If the cable is RG-8X and <10 feet in length it might give you satisfactory results.
If it were me I would simply use the abandoned cell antennas mount and address this as a new installation. It's much easier to run CAT5 cable to the ROGUE or similar device than it is to run thick coaxial cable and install RF connectors on it.
As for your remote camera application I am not familiar how CableVision assigns your device an IP address or their policies on their public WLANs.
Bill
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - May 11 2013 : 10:37:02
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quote:
Originally posted by sierra
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Originally posted by BillylllI would use channel 6 on your on board rebroadcast bridge router. If all your devices are 802.11A & 5GHz N only that is the ideal bridge router to run with any devices like the Wave Rogue or the high power EC unit. Don't run that 2GHz bridge/router in N mode either set it up for B,G or Super G only and if you can control the internal routers power setting lower it's power or balance it so it covers all areas of your boat while minimizing any speed issues from your Rogue to the shore based access point.
. You will find most serious properly set up commercial access points are set up for channela 1 and 11 or channels 3 and 9. What model is your internal bridge/ router, perhaps I can check to see if there is power control for it. Too much noise from excessive power from the bridge router can have a significant impact on your WiFi "system's" overall speed aka performance.
Bill
Thanks so much Bill. The router is a Netgear wnr3500lv2. I have now switched it to channel 6 and its 54Mbps mode and I am still seeing about 1/5 the speed that I see when I connect a device directly to my marina's AP. Signal strength to the Wave from the same AP is excellent. Unfortunately and surprisingly, despite all of the settings the Netgear seems to have, adjusting the output power isn't one of them unless I'm missing something. Is that the likely culprit or is there other troubleshooting I should be doing?
Thanks again for sharing your wisdom.
Let's start over from the beginning. Can you take the CAT5 from the ROGUE's POE and connect it directly to a laptop?
If so does this correct your speed issue?
Run your laptop's internal WiFi card's connection manager and tell me which channel your marina's Access Point is being run on?
I'm looking the N300 router over now to see if there is a method to decrease it's RF power output.
I'm trying to determine which part of the link is causing your speed issue.
If by chance the AP you are connecting to is on channel 6 everything I previously said doesn't apply.
Bill
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - May 11 2013 : 10:47:42
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I missed another often overlooked problem with devices like the ROGUE, RF overload or too much signal. If your marina's AP is too strong it can make the ROGUE operate in a non-linear fashion. In turn this will compress the data packets and slow your speed to a crawl. A quick test to see if this is an issue is to disconnect the external antenna from the ROGUE and (if you had a 10db RF pad that would be ideal insert it at the ROGUE's antenna connector) run the speed test again sans it's external WiFi antenna. If the speed improves you have RF overload caused by the location of your boat in relation to the marinas AP.
Have you tried connecting to AP's that are further away with the ROGUE?
Bill
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WirelessOne,
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walterv
RO# 12640
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Posted - May 11 2013 : 11:05:01
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Dave (Current Sea)
I am at the boat on the internet with your Rogue and antenna, all seems to be working fine.
Billy,
When daves boat sank, he had that little antenna that comes with the rogue on the boat in the salon. It seems the antenna went underwater and I was able to hear water sloshing in the antenna. It dried out I guess it dried out over the winter and seems to be working no different than the big antenna I have mounted on my boat. My question is, is there such a thing with these antennas as SWR?
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - May 11 2013 : 12:30:27
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Yes high VSWR or as it is more commonly called poor "return loss" can affect WiFi performance range and speed.
The test equipment required to test WiFi frequencies VSWR or return loss is out of the reach of most boaters. I do have a NIST calibrated Anritsu Site Master that can check 2.4ghZ (802.11 B&G) cable and antenna performance.
Walter I'm glad we talked this morning your situation (reduced speeds after shrink wrapping caused cable damage) might apply to sierra if he has a bad antenna connector or defective cable assembly.
Sierra if you want call me directly at 609-377-0022 and I can help you troubleshoot your speed issues.
There are too many variables to communicate them all via written words.
I'm offering to help but if possible try the troubleshooting steps I mentioned above 1st.
Take care,
Bill
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sierra
RO# 28541
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Posted - May 11 2013 : 12:51:43
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Thanks Bill for your kind assistance. It's a new installation so hopefully there's nothing "bad" or defective. I've begun a bit of the troubleshooting based on your guidance - connected directly to the Rogue (which is wired via LMR 400 to external antenna) - same result without disconnecting antenna. Will have to do that with more time. Proximity to and strength of marina's AP could very well be the issue. Unfortunately, despite all of the signals I see none are good to connect to for alternate AP. Did switch my router to channel 6 - marina's AP is 11.
I will continue to work at it as time allows and appreciate your generous offer for a direct call. I may take you up on that. Cheers!
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - May 11 2013 : 12:59:56
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No problem Sierra call anytime. I am always willing to help out fellow boaters. What firmware revision is your ROGUE? Another great person to contact is Richard at Wave WiFi but he is probably going to have you do the troubleshooting steps I am suggesting.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
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Little Egg, N.J. |
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sierra
RO# 28541
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Posted - May 11 2013 : 13:20:12
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It's running 7.38. It is unclear where an update, if any, can be downloaded from (and my 'Help' PDF is not opening).
Is there a link you can pass along? Not finding it on the Wave website.
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No problem Sierra call anytime. I am always willing to help out fellow boaters. What firmware revision is your ROGUE? Another great person to contact is Richard at Wave WiFi but he is probably going to have you do the troubleshooting steps I am suggesting.
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - May 11 2013 : 18:37:53
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quote:
Originally posted by sierra
It's running 7.38. It is unclear where an update, if any, can be downloaded from (and my 'Help' PDF is not opening).
Is there a link you can pass along? Not finding it on the Wave website.
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Originally posted by Billylll
No problem Sierra call anytime. I am always willing to help out fellow boaters. What firmware revision is your ROGUE? Another great person to contact is Richard at Wave WiFi but he is probably going to have you do the troubleshooting steps I am suggesting.
Bill
7.38 is up to date and there are no known connection issues running that revision. I suspect your ROGUE is getting RF overload from being to close to the marina's access point. I have some variable attenuators in my spare parts inventory if you find that this is RF overload. If you place your Windows laptop in Compatibility View Mode (under the tools drop down box) then hover the mouse pointer over the connected AP's signal strength bars (to the right on the ROGUE's connections page) you should get a negative number in -(dbm). If the number is a lower number than -30 to -35(dbm) that would indicate to me that the marina's access point is hammering (over driving) the ROGUE's (Ethernet Radio) causing non-linear operation. This will cause the speed condition described by you.
I could not find a power setting control for the internal router/ inside the vessel AP you listed. I don't believe that is your speed problem.
Bill
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Robski97
RO# 7334
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Posted - May 13 2013 : 07:34:55
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Dave,
I spent Friday on the phone with my DVR's support people to try a DDNS connection. IT appears the ports we need opened are blocked within the Rogue itself. I was told by The company I bought the rogue from they do not block any ports. My router ports are clearly open but the Rogue apparently is my issue. I have to call for support now on that. What a pain in the tail... But for its intended use it works great .
Rob
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jeff_c
RO# 25917
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Posted - May 13 2013 : 08:19:09
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Folks,
There's another option out there that I learned about while hanging out on some UK-based boating forums (a by product of having a french built boat). It's called the Wirie. I bought the Wirie AP and all I had to do was get it power and now I have a protected wifi network on my boat that easily connects to the internet. I just use the built in software to find an 'open' public wifi point (town or Starbucks) or connect to a protected AP using the proper credentials (like optimum).
For example, at one point this weekend, my son was playing an online game as I was streaming a Netflix movie through the PS3 while I was reading this forum on my ipad using wifi.
Check it out...it's pretty cool.
Jeff
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mixman
RO# 25362
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Posted - May 13 2013 : 08:28:50
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My issue isn't connecting to a Wi-Fi access point; it's the piss-poor performance of said points. For example, here's a test via my Rogue Wave connected to an access point at a marina in Key West this morning:
Pathetic, right? The backbone is Comcast Business Class, which I know from experience is very fast (that's what I use at my office). My theory is that public access points are just too overloaded. Below is what I'll use while I'm here via good ol' reliable Verizon 4G LTE. I can tether from my phone or I can pop the SIM card out, put it in a modem (UML290) and stick that in my Cradlepoint router (using the phone is easier as there's good signal here):
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Robski97
RO# 7334
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Posted - May 13 2013 : 09:33:59
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Jeff,
We are trying to connect remotely... apparently they don't like to do that ....
Rob
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - May 13 2013 : 19:52:43
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Rob call Richard at Wave/ WiFi GeoSatTechnology at 954-922-9585. He can get you the correct answer tell him Bill Lentz told you to call.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - May 13 2013 : 19:58:52
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Kurt here is the growing problem with public access points ( a location) many are not properly provisioned or upgraded when the time comes. A busy public AP needs to limit the maximum bandwidth to roaming users to 2mbps DL and 1-2mbps UL. This can be accomplished by using numerous VLAN's and setting maximum limits and restricting access on each. As an example lets call the AP Turtle Cay, the connection manager could show Turtle Cay Public WiFi (this would be an example of it's VLAN 1, a second VLAN called Turtle Cay Admirals Club would operate on the same AP and use the same RF resources but it might give 5mbps DL and 5 mbps UL. Those logging in to the Public WiFi Hotspot would be bandwidth limited and those that had the access code for restricted access to the Admirals Club would get a higher quality of service and use a higher bandwidth VLAN. This is easy to accomplish using the correct AP, switch and management software. If one AP is overloaded and multiple VLAN management still doesn't solve the speed issues a second AP (RF layer) should be installed and separated by at least 3 channels again using similar VLAN naming and rules protocols. Using directional sector array antennas on multi-sector WiFi sites should also be seriously considered. There are still options but you will rarely even see my multiple VLAN or 2 access point examples.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
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Little Egg, N.J. |
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - May 13 2013 : 20:40:33
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Originally posted by Robski97
Dave,
I spent Friday on the phone with my DVR's support people to try a DDNS connection. IT appears the ports we need opened are blocked within the Rogue itself. I was told by The company I bought the rogue from they do not block any ports. My router ports are clearly open but the Rogue apparently is my issue. I have to call for support now on that. What a pain in the tail... But for its intended use it works great .
Rob
Rob what ports are they saying are blocked?
Bill
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WirelessOne,
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mixman
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Posted - May 13 2013 : 21:52:31
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Understood, Bill. I will expand my theory that it's overloaded access points due to bandwidth-crazed users on networks installed by people who have no clue what they're doing. In the meantime, I'm darn happy to be a "grandfathered" Verizon unlimited data user (note: I hit 6 gigs once and 8 gigs one other time in years, otherwise, I'm usually under 2 gigs per month).
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Robski97
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Posted - May 14 2013 : 07:15:20
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Billy ,
TY for the info will call today. I have the notes on my laptop. But it looks like port 80 and 9010. They ( DVR guys ) remotely ran a program that clearly showed the port was open on the Router.. then they switched screens ran it again and it showed the port closed. way out of my pay scale stuff. So they said it has to be the rogue . They even downloaded the PDF read it and called me back. ( the PDF was useless to them ) Im sure Richard will know exactly what im talking about when I call.
Rob
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mixman
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Posted - May 14 2013 : 07:52:36
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Rob,
I'd be curious what sort of performance you're going to get over public Wi-Fi, especially if other people are doing the same thing at the same time. But as to your issue of port blocking, have you tried turning the firewall off on the Rogue Wave (please excuse me if you have and I didn't see the post)?
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Hap-E-Cruzer
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Posted - May 14 2013 : 08:13:39
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Hey Kurt,
Have you figured anything out for our cell amp situation. I know Christine finally gave up but she would really like to get it up and running while over here in the Abacos. We won't have much use for it in Florida.
I have never communicated with Billylll but don't know if you have already asked him about ours.
Christine has called about everyone she can but to no avail. Do you think I should contact Billylll for advice. She has resorted to harassing men on the dock for intel. But no results.
Seems we cannot get the Apple computer to recognize the modem, although she got the VZ Manager to see it. She made the changes required for Apple use, still no results.
It appears that the computer does not see the modem as a device. The video you sent shows accessing the actual modem settings so it can be hacked and the computer won't see it as a device.
Having a great time at Bluff House, highly recommend. We have fair WiFi, great before everyone wakes up. Will be here a couple more days......
Thanks for putting up with us
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Billylll
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Posted - May 14 2013 : 08:20:59
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quote:
Originally posted by mixman
Rob,
I'd be curious what sort of performance you're going to get over public Wi-Fi, especially if other people are doing the same thing at the same time. But as to your issue of port blocking, have you tried turning the firewall off on the Rogue Wave (please excuse me if you have and I didn't see the post)?
Rob, Kurt brought up an excellent point. It's easy to turn the firewall off.
Kurt heavy video use is one of the things really killing public WiFi. I have warned this could bring a public AP to it's knees. The good thing is most of the new devices can reduce the RF congestion by switching to the 5ghz band. Wait until 802.11ac comes into play. The problem with 5ghz and boating is there are few good 5ghz access points and there is virtually no out of the box 5ghz bridge routers for marine use.
I have been running a high power 802.11N AP on 5ghz for the last 3 years at my marina. Most of the high speed users use this AP. It's range is limited so it only works in the marina to mostly laptops. I built for my boat a Ubiquiti Rocket M5 bridge router with 2 small Omni's one is vertically polarized the second is horizontal.
I can get 2 miles over the water with rocking speeds using it back to my AP at the marina.
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Billylll
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Posted - May 14 2013 : 08:30:51
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Originally posted by Hap-E-Cruzer
Hey Kurt,
Have you figured anything out for our cell amp situation. I know Christine finally gave up but she would really like to get it up and running while over here in the Abacos. We won't have much use for it in Florida.
I have never communicated with Billylll but don't know if you have already asked him about ours.
Christine has called about everyone she can but to no avail. Do you think I should contact Billylll for advice. She has resorted to harassing men on the dock for intel. But no results.
Seems we cannot get the Apple computer to recognize the modem, although she got the VZ Manager to see it. She made the changes required for Apple use, still no results.
It appears that the computer does not see the modem as a device. The video you sent shows accessing the actual modem settings so it can be hacked and the computer won't see it as a device.
Having a great time at Bluff House, highly recommend. We have fair WiFi, great before everyone wakes up. Will be here a couple more days......
Thanks for putting up with us
Tell me what is not working and the devices involved I will try and help. It sounds like a Verizon LTE modem and Apple device connection / recognition problem is that the problem? If so I need specifics.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
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Hap-E-Cruzer
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Posted - May 14 2013 : 08:49:30
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Have an unlocked USB Pantech UML290 Verizon Modem. BTC Data Sim. Also a Wilson Amp, Marine antenna, Cradle Point Router. Right now just trying to get the Pantech to work connected directly to the Macbook Pro laptop. Then will connect to the Cradlepoint to create our own hotspot. Kurt had the set up working before we left US, using his Verizon Sim in our modem. I can put the BTC Sim in the iPhone and it works but we are not set up to boost the phone signal. It appears to be a problem with the Mac not seeing the modem. We actually have two of the Pantech modems and have tried both.
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mixman
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Posted - May 14 2013 : 09:12:01
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Jerry,
As far as I know the only way that modem is going to work in your Mac is via the Verizon software (VZAccess Manager). Are you saying that when you try both modems VZAccess Manager can't see them? We had it working at the dock the other week just fine.
As for the BTC SIM not working in the UML290s, I'm at a loss. That modem has a GSM radio and is fully unlocked for global usage. I would try every setting I could find in VZAccess Manager. I know I left both modems in "Global" mode for you when I configured them. But perhaps they need to be forced into GSM mode.
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Hap-E-Cruzer
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Posted - May 14 2013 : 09:15:20
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when you had them working in Stuart, did they show up as a device on the Mac? or did you just see them through VZ Manager
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mixman
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Posted - May 14 2013 : 09:24:37
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Only via the Verizon software. I don't think they usually show up in Windows either unless using special software to hack them.
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--Kurt
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Robski97
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Posted - May 14 2013 : 10:04:21
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I guess I undersold myself ... Yes the Rogue firewall is off. : )
As for my connection speeds using speedtest they are better then my wired connection at home. DL and UL
Ill post them the next time im at the boat. ( 2 weeks it looks . don't ask )
Rob
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Robski97
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Posted - May 14 2013 : 10:58:56
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Bill,
Spoke to Richard. Really nice guy .. He said two things are blocking me . One is the rogue and they are working on a software fix. The other issue is the Optonline wifi. SO in a month there will be a software fix for the Rogue . But he thinks optonline is still going to be the issue.
Rob
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Audrey II
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Posted - May 14 2013 : 13:34:49
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Rob if you are trying to use port 80 you have a problem. I did a job once where the IT guy routed an external port 85 to be forwarded to internal port 80 this worked out well and bypassed the blocked port. Just a thought
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Dave
I just wish common sense was a little more common.
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sierra
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Posted - May 14 2013 : 13:46:50
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Bill - I'm away from the boat for a time but will continue to troubleshoot and let you know how I make out. For what it's worth, when I left the marina this weekend and put some distance between the boat and my marina's AP, speeds did not improve.
And congrats on your impending splash date. If your kind assistance here -often to complete strangers like me - is any indication of your character (as I gather it is from everyone's posts), you deserve all of the kindness you are receiving. Cheers to the most enjoyable season yet!
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It's running 7.38. It is unclear where an update, if any, can be downloaded from (and my 'Help' PDF is not opening).
Is there a link you can pass along? Not finding it on the Wave website.
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Originally posted by Billylll
No problem Sierra call anytime. I am always willing to help out fellow boaters. What firmware revision is your ROGUE? Another great person to contact is Richard at Wave WiFi but he is probably going to have you do the troubleshooting steps I am suggesting.
Bill
7.38 is up to date and there are no known connection issues running that revision. I suspect your ROGUE is getting RF overload from being to close to the marina's access point. I have some variable attenuators in my spare parts inventory if you find that this is RF overload. If you place your Windows laptop in Compatibility View Mode (under the tools drop down box) then hover the mouse pointer over the connected AP's signal strength bars (to the right on the ROGUE's connections page) you should get a negative number in -(dbm). If the number is a lower number than -30 to -35(dbm) that would indicate to me that the marina's access point is hammering (over driving) the ROGUE's (Ethernet Radio) causing non-linear operation. This will cause the speed condition described by you.
I could not find a power setting control for the internal router/ inside the vessel AP you listed. I don't believe that is your speed problem.
Bill
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Billylll
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Posted - May 14 2013 : 20:36:08
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Sierra when you say the speeds are reduced can you give examples? Do you know if the marinas AP is N rated or a 802.11b&g access point?
If you could get me the received RSSI from your slip in the marina using the ROGUE's signal strength as I described above that might help me diagnose what is going on.
As a side note load a basic WiFi test tool called Netstumbler and look at the marinas AP through your laptop's air card, saving the file and sending it to me might also help me determine the chipset type of the marina's AP, it's received RSSI through your aircard as well as the SINR and potential airlink speed.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
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Billylll
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Posted - May 14 2013 : 20:40:32
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Walter V, I got your WiFi antenna mount and the damaged/ defective cable assembly today. I can't believe the poor quality of LMR400 they supplied you. You will see the difference between poor quality LMR400 and quality Ultraflex LMR400 by Times Microwave when you get the mount/ cable assemby back from me before this weekend.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - May 14 2013 : 20:54:48
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Originally posted by Robski97
Bill,
Spoke to Richard. Really nice guy .. He said two things are blocking me . One is the rogue and they are working on a software fix. The other issue is the Optonline wifi. SO in a month there will be a software fix for the Rogue . But he thinks optonline is still going to be the issue.
Rob
Rob, if Richard promised a fix count on it. He is a software engineer and a man of his word. He might be right about your WiFi provider but you can also check with them as well. I guess I'm not fully understanding what you are trying to accomplish. I am pretty opinionated when it comes to video over public WiFi I am against it for many reasons. I am not against it in the home setting where it's not a shared resource.
Bill
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