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slacktide
RO# 31874
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 Posted - May 16 2012 : 21:06:27
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Wayne going to the town again Tuesday .... 400 condos and parking garage ... Some day he's going to get his way :(
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Homeport: Stony point , NY
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king5899
RO# 19628
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Posted - May 16 2012 : 21:34:08
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I heard he's going to offer them to marina embers for 1/2 price.
I guess Dave will miss out!
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Audrey II
RO# 30499
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Posted - May 16 2012 : 22:29:40
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Originally posted by king5899
I heard he's going to offer them to marina embers for 1/2 price.
I guess Dave will miss out!
If it ever gets built I worry:) Frankly the town needs the income so who knows maybe they will let it happen but I wouldn't hold your breath.
I'm glad I'm moved just think what a mess the construction will make of the marina.
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marsij
RO# 9858
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Posted - May 17 2012 : 05:26:46
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Would cost the town more than it would bring in. No one wants a condo-townhouse development there, at least no one I have ever talked to.....for that matter no one wants Wayne there either. lol
But who knows, maybe there will be a day he can make that happen...I just hope I'm living down the shore by then!
You know, my partners Grandmother used to own ALL that property! Sold it back in the day when property was cheap cheap cheap. OY!
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Homeport: Penny Bridge Marina, Stony Point, NY
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Anchor Management
RO# 32420
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Posted - May 17 2012 : 06:26:45
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My guess is that he will get something approved. As Dave says, the town is in desperate shape. They have no industry left and taxes are out of control. I'm in favor of a nice waterfront community with some small shops and restaurants. If done properly it could be a great little destination. No land/woods is being taken away. They just need to fix the access roads. IMHO, the town would be nuts not to approve something.
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Homeport: Haverstraw, NY
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marsij
RO# 9858
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Posted - May 17 2012 : 06:58:07
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More housing...more kids...more schools, teachers, administrators. Everyone everywhere is disgusted with the unsustainable rise in school taxes. We want want clean/green tax ratables that provide revenue with little/minimal/no strain on the existing infrastructure. We have no problem with something other than a marina being on that property, just don't want condos.
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Homeport: Penny Bridge Marina, Stony Point, NY
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Anchor Management
RO# 32420
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Posted - May 17 2012 : 07:04:48
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I understand your point but quite frankly, unless you convince industry to take over the area, housing and storefronts are the only option. I dont livein the town so I don't suffer the ever increasing rising taxes but I believe much is property increases because the town has no rateables. If the taxes on what is being built don't support the strain on the school and infrastructure, you need new town government.
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Homeport: Haverstraw, NY
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Robyns Nest
RO# 4846
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Posted - May 17 2012 : 07:19:15
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How are you going to find 400 stupid people in this economy who want to live very to close to a very active CSX train line?
Diesel trains are very noisy and they run them all through the night.
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marsij
RO# 9858
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Posted - May 17 2012 : 07:22:16
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We have a new town government. We elected them because they agree with what most of us in town want. Ratables without ever growing housing.
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Homeport: Penny Bridge Marina, Stony Point, NY
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marsij
RO# 9858
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Posted - May 17 2012 : 07:24:16
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Robyns Nest...lol...very good point!! At night & early morning I can hear those trains at my house & I live 4 miles away!!
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Homeport: Penny Bridge Marina, Stony Point, NY
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Anchor Management
RO# 32420
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Posted - May 17 2012 : 08:01:25
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Originally posted by Robyns Nest
How are you going to find 400 stupid people in this economy who want to live very to close to a very active CSX train line?
Diesel trains are very noisy and they run them all through the night.
Good question since the Haverstraw condos are still not nearly full. No doubt the town needs something and without housing, local stores will never survive. It winll take some smart people to figure out a sustainable plan. What ever they do, I hope they do it right. It's certainly not an easy answer but I don't see any other industry waiting in line to come in and add to the town income.
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HOGAN
RO# 3813
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 Posted - May 17 2012 : 08:33:00
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How would firetrucks get there? They can't fit under the train tracks, they would have to go all the way around by the Penny Bridge.
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Homeport: SS3 @ PennyBridge Marina, Stony Point, NY
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Anchor Management
RO# 32420
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Posted - May 17 2012 : 08:41:48
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How would firetrucks get there? They can't fit under the train tracks, they would have to go all the way around by the Penny Bridge.
Even going that way, they are probably within a mile of the property. Certainly still pretty close. Not sure how far fire department is from Haverstraw condos either. I still think if this property was built on smartly with a combination of condos, marina and small shops/restaurants it could be a big boost for the area.
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Homeport: Haverstraw, NY
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rommer
RO# 12280
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Posted - May 17 2012 : 10:30:11
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Originally posted by marsij
We have a new town government. We elected them because they agree with what most of us in town want. Ratables without ever growing housing.
Rumor has it that Wayne heavily supported one of the new members whom is very sympathetic to Wayne's cause. Just something I heard thru the grapevine, I have no first hand knowledge of this, may not be fact.
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marsij
RO# 9858
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Posted - May 17 2012 : 12:52:39
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Don't know, may be true. What goes on out of the public eye goes on out of the public eye. I only know how the candidates spoke while campaigning & that most of us voted for the present team because they said they wanted revenue via business rather than housing. Is that true? No idea. Guess we will see.
Anchor Management, the local stores are not suffering for lack of housing that's for sure. Take a ride around the Stony Point back roads & see all the crazy big housing developments going up. I don't know whos buying these places!
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Homeport: Penny Bridge Marina, Stony Point, NY
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cjeccher
RO# 32109
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Posted - May 17 2012 : 13:40:25
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Robynbest, I grew up right on the other side of the tracks (no pun intended) on Jackson Drive and my best friend lived on Hunter Place literally on the other side. I guess we got used to the sound but now whenever I bring my family to visit my Dad we get woken for the first few night at least. My wife just brings her ear plugs.
I may have mentioned previously that the town named the Park under the bridge after my Dad who is 90 and still lives in the same house.
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winters remedy
RO# 28820
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Posted - May 17 2012 : 14:14:21
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I picture the I LOVE LUCY episode when the train goes by and the beds move. :)
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Homeport: stony point ny
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Audrey II
RO# 30499
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Posted - May 17 2012 : 14:28:15
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There were times I thought the boat was rocking when the trains went by but even still there are plenty of homes built along rail roads there are tradeoffs to everything it's a great view. If it's done right they will sell certainly not million dollar condos but I would think there is money to be made!
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king5899
RO# 19628
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Posted - May 17 2012 : 14:54:15
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There is always money to be made along the waterfornt. Look at Newburgh, the waterfront is absolutely mobbed Thursday to Sunday. If there were condos there I bet a bunch of yuppies would buy them up. In the case of Newburgh, you have not only the railroad, but also the ghetto to deal with.
MJK
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BenDiss
RO# 31831
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Posted - May 17 2012 : 21:04:40
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Park Ridge just built condos right next to the commuter train line. Granted, it's not as noisy as a freight train, but they sure filled up quick. I think it'd be in the towns best interest to promote this.
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Audrey II
RO# 30499
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Posted - May 17 2012 : 21:17:24
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Ben are you looking for a new home?
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slacktide
RO# 31874
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Posted - May 17 2012 : 21:33:24
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Wayne will make a great landlord .... Not !!
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Homeport: Stony point , NY
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Robyns Nest
RO# 4846
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Posted - May 18 2012 : 12:44:12
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Park Ridge just built condos right next to the commuter train line. Granted, it's not as noisy as a freight train, but they sure filled up quick. I think it'd be in the towns best interest to promote this.
Commuter trains do not run all night long, are much shorter trains compared to freight trains, virtually no ground vibration compared to freight trains and probably 1/10th the noise level.
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Anchor Management
RO# 32420
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Posted - May 18 2012 : 13:31:50
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quote:
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Originally posted by BenDiss
Park Ridge just built condos right next to the commuter train line. Granted, it's not as noisy as a freight train, but they sure filled up quick. I think it'd be in the towns best interest to promote this.
Commuter trains do not run all night long, are much shorter trains compared to freight trains, virtually no ground vibration compared to freight trains and probably 1/10th the noise level.
"There is an ass for every seat." "If you build it, they will come."
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Robyns Nest
RO# 4846
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Posted - May 18 2012 : 15:22:56
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I agree, you would have to be an ass to buy there.
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rommer
RO# 12280
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Posted - May 18 2012 : 22:08:53
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But Wayne has built such a great marina I'm sure the condos will follow suit...
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Homeport: Liberty Landing Marina, NJ
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Anchor Management
RO# 32420
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Posted - May 23 2012 : 07:42:11
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So....Does anybody know what happened at the meeting last nite? Do we have a new getaway destination?
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wciparchia
RO# 25200
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Posted - May 23 2012 : 08:56:56
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Condo's here we come
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Homeport: Stony Point NY
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Audrey II
RO# 30499
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Posted - May 23 2012 : 10:12:30
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Condo's here we come
So it was approved?
WOW I may have to see it I can prepurchase and save a few dollars!
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Anchor Management
RO# 32420
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Posted - May 23 2012 : 13:53:08
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I did not see anywhere that it was approved or was even discussed. Still waiting for someone to enlighten us. BTW, Dont buy the unit below mine if you want to get any sleep. You know how I like to party all night. :)
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Audrey II
RO# 30499
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Posted - May 23 2012 : 18:46:45
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I have been meaning to speak to you about this I think you are creating a wake from your boat rocking so much:),
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Anchor Management
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Posted - May 23 2012 : 20:23:07
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You know what they say, if this boats a rockin, don't come a knockin. ( for at least 30 seconds).
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BenDiss
RO# 31831
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Posted - May 25 2012 : 11:01:52
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Sounds like the town supervisor is supportive.
http://www.rocklandtimes.com/2012/05/24/marina-presentation-made-in-stony-point/
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Architects, planners and engineers from Wayne Cortz’s marina in Stony Point were on hand at Tuesday’s Stony Point Town Board meeting
David Zigler of Atzl, Scatassa & Zigler P.C. and Tim Miller of Tim Miller Associates presented to the board. The current plan is to build approximately 300 condo units over a span of 30 acres of waterfront property. Miller said it is a “proposed two-phase” project, which will require some zone changes to be made by the board, if they are interested.
Of the 300 units, 79 are proposed as one bedroom, 191 as two bedroom and only 30 as three bedroom. Supervisor Geoff Finn said he liked this because the town had to be cognizant of school district costs that would come along with attracting families with kids, those being the most likely to purchase three bedroom homes.
Finn also said he expected a lot of “snowbirds” to be attracted to the location. Snowbirds are people who live six months in Florida and six months in New York.
Some highlights of the project would include a waterfront walkway and esplanade that would be accessible to the greater community, food kiosks, a new yacht club and marina, and two brand new restaurants.
Miller noted that the plan accounts for new stormwater drainage requirements implemented after the state realized that stormy weather is probably here to stay. He said the development is in very preliminary stages and at least 18 to 30 months away from a possible groundbreaking.
The project will be implemented in two phases if it goes forward, the first phase bringing in 162 units of housing and the second phase 138. Miller described the condos as “beautiful, residential” and “a destination type” of project.
Supervisor Finn was eager to point out that the condos would only be three stories high, not five as Haverstraw Harbors are. He said the Haverstraw Harbors are “a monstrosity” compared to what Stony Point envisions these condos to be.
Some residents were worried about losing their view of the Hudson, which the planners said should not be the case.
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rommer
RO# 12280
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Posted - May 25 2012 : 13:25:20
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Originally posted by marsij
We have a new town government. We elected them because they agree with what most of us in town want. Ratables without ever growing housing.
OOPS!!!
From Ben's post it looks like someone was lying to you all.
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Homeport: Liberty Landing Marina, NJ
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marsij
RO# 9858
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Posted - May 25 2012 : 15:41:29
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Does indeed huh John? Maybe he feels it is a "compromise" since only a handful of units would surely attract families with school age children. New yacht club/marina & restaurants nice & if they really can bring in revenue with minimal/no increase in school costs, I would consider that a viable compromise although I know many who would not & are opposed to mass building..period! I would rather not see all that housing there personally but it is what it is. I guess Finn feels he would be covering all bases with this project.
Guess we'll just have to see where it goes. All I know is I am damn excited to be going home to Jersey soon!!
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Homeport: Penny Bridge Marina, Stony Point, NY
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rommer
RO# 12280
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Posted - May 25 2012 : 16:29:55
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How many restaurants have failed at that location in the past 5-10 years?
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HOGAN
RO# 3813
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 Posted - May 25 2012 : 17:54:09
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How many restaurants have failed at that location in the past 5-10 years?
All of them.
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rommer
RO# 12280
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Posted - May 25 2012 : 18:19:15
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Good answer Mike! So true.
There was one guy that almost made it work but then Wayne screwed him over, which is what he tends to do to anyone who partners with him, and the chief/operator moved up to Middletown.
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marsij
RO# 9858
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Posted - May 26 2012 : 08:36:13
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Most of the "restaurants" previously in that location were hardly restaurants, more like snack bars. I never went to the most recent one but heard loads of people say the service was often awful & wait time very long even during slow periods. Good food/service, reasonable prices & the great location are going to bring people in even in a sluggish economy. When Gene was at SPBM we toyed with the idea of me opening that restaurant, but the amount of work & expense to bring that place up to a standard where you can make quality food was more than I cared to get involed with. Ever see that kitchen???
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rommer
RO# 12280
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Posted - May 26 2012 : 09:12:31
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The kitchen was completely "redone" after Gene left Judy. That's the guy that almost made a decent living at that place. Of course as soon as the traffic started to come, Wayne changed the agreement and made it impossible for the guy to continue there.
I just read a recent Boating On the Hudson magazine and was not surprised to see that SPBM was no longer advertising. I guess they must be full this year?
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marsij
RO# 9858
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Posted - May 26 2012 : 09:22:00
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I have not seen the kitchen since then so I don't know what the renovation was or what new equipment they put in there....which would have had to be everything to make it feasable! How did Wayne change the agreement? I do not know Wayne, don't think I have ever even met him, but over the years I have heard many negative stories of him & he seems to be widely disliked by pretty much everyone I know who do know him. Must suck to have so many enemies. Crappy way to live life I would think.
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Anchor Management
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Posted - May 26 2012 : 13:25:31
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The restaurants that would go in as proposed would not be on a barge but rather real waterfront restaurants owned and operated privately. I would imagine the entire 30 acres would be completely redeveloped. I think the proposal has a lot of potential to be something special for the entire area and the place as we know it gone.
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Posted - May 26 2012 : 17:53:21
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I don't think anything is going to happen in this economy. Look at all the other projects on or off the river that are stalled or never started. I don't think there is a huge unmet need for these condos. All the marinas have empty slips, not just SPBM. In 1996 when I got my slip SPBM had a long waiting list. Gene threw someone out and I got the slip because I am a Stony Point resident. Back then Miniceongo Yacht club had a ten year wait. Now there has been a sign at the gate advertising slips for several years. Wayne isn't going to build condos until he knows he can sell them. If he gets a zone change it will increase the value of the property. I think we will all have our boat slips for years to come.
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wciparchia
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Posted - May 29 2012 : 07:30:58
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Ken, you are 100% right, however he is going to have to put a few $$$ into the marina if he wants to keep the boats that he has now. The only thing that is keeping a lot of the larger boats there are the people around them. I do know however, there are quite a few including myself that are talking about a change next season if we don't see a change in the way the marina is operated. A marina is somewhere we go, we go for the friends.
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Audrey II
RO# 30499
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Posted - May 29 2012 : 08:01:15
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I think you are being wishful in believing the project will be stalled I think he has been waiting for years for this and now he will jump on it and frankly I think he will do well if he builds it right they will sell and many here will be looking for a new home for their boats. Don't love the idea of the tracks but there are plenty of expensive homes along the water front. I may even consider buying one if the price is right. I would also like to see a couple of decent new restaurants nearby that could be reach by boat. The town needs the income and this is a good way to bring it in.
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Posted - May 29 2012 : 09:10:04
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Keep in mind, all Wayne needs is the zoning change and he makes money
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Robyns Nest
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Posted - May 29 2012 : 09:30:07
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The bay is too shallow to really support a waterfront like Torches up north. You would have to dredge every few years to maintain it, the cost is just too high.
The nicer waterfront homes on the Rockland side are south of Hook Mountain where the trains run more inland.
The condos will shake rattle and roll when the sales lady is making her pitch to new prospective buyers and it will turn people off.
You have to wonder if the DEC will jump in and look for some soil remediation on the site as well. The property in places has to be loaded with copper, oils and who knows what else.
Down in Tarrytown the waterfront projects have slowed and the ones over at Haverstraw can be rented for a fraction of what they thought they would be worth. Many people lost a lot of money of the condos over there and I think that will have an impact on any project in Stony Point.
It is not easy to get bank financing for a project like this if there isn't a hope for 100% sell out very quickly. I wonder who he is taking in as a partner on this deal. Someone has to pony up some big dollars to make any bank comfortable with a project like this.
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rommer
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Posted - May 29 2012 : 09:33:41
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Aren't the property taxes in SP going/already sky high due to the issues with the power plants?
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Anchor Management
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Posted - May 29 2012 : 14:12:32
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You guys are making the wrong argument. It's not a matter of can this place be successful and why Wayne should not build to this plan. It appears that decision has already been made. There are closer condos to the tracks then these would be. Trust, me, I know because I bought one when I first got married because that is what I could afford. The question is if he can get approvals from the town and yes, he already has a partner. If aproved, time will tell whether it was a smart business decision or not.
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pocket change
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Posted - May 29 2012 : 16:06:18
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Several years ago they were going to build condos on Letchworth Village property. The builder had to sell half of them pre-construction to get bank financing which would have been about 70. After one year he only sold about 20. No go said the bank. They refunded the 20 deposits and removed the sales office trailer. I don't think the economy is any better now. I, for one am paying a deposit this fall for my slip next year. It will be there.
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Anchor Management
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Posted - May 29 2012 : 16:35:24
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Smart decision. I doubt there will be any immediate need to move. These things take time.
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