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estame6
RO# 27400
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 Posted - Jul 03 2012 : 10:38:40
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Morning all, I have a 1988 30' SeaRay with twin 260hp and my problem is when fueling (gas) topping up is difficult without discharging a small amount of gas over the side. Doesn't matter how slow you pump this always seems to happen. If I could sense when the tanks is nearly full, eg within half an inch from the top I would be happy. I was thinking maybe trying those propane temperature stickers and wonder if anyone has tried these of has any other suggestions. Many thanks .............. Dave
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Homeport: Detroit
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The Other Gary
RO# 143
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Posted - Jul 03 2012 : 10:47:43
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Google "no spill"
I use this all the time and have not had a drop hit the water.
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Gary Peck 1997 Bayliner 3988 MY, twin 330 Cummins
I saw a movie where only the military and the police had guns,,,,, It was called Schindler's List |
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Homeport: Toronto, Lake Ontario
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jul 03 2012 : 10:55:46
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These bottles are great nut only if you can actually reach the vent(s) and it doesn't address burping at the filler although rags can help there
First thing to check is the screen on your vent fittings. Usually as they age and corrode air flow gets restricted and even a slight air pressure increase in the tank is cause burping
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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estame6
RO# 27400
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Posted - Jul 03 2012 : 11:50:28
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Interesting looks like it would work perfectly.
Tried googling "no spill" and just found gas cans etc.
If you could point me to this I will try one.
Many thanks.
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Homeport: Detroit
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KiDa
RO# 16492
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Posted - Jul 03 2012 : 12:05:37
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As an alternative;
Green Marine Fuel Whistle
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Saint Max
'99 330 Sundancer
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Homeport: Hopewell, VA
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The Other Gary
RO# 143
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Posted - Jul 03 2012 : 12:47:12
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http://www.tgmmarine.com/nospills/default.htm
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Gary Peck 1997 Bayliner 3988 MY, twin 330 Cummins
I saw a movie where only the military and the police had guns,,,,, It was called Schindler's List |
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Homeport: Toronto, Lake Ontario
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Maxwell
RO# 31042
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Posted - Jul 03 2012 : 13:53:43
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Just be careful as this spring a friend with a gas boat at our YC "topped up" his tanks just before he went to his slip. As the day warmed up and the gas expanded due to temp change it began to discharge out of the vents. The bright side was an impromptu boat ride was in order...
max
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Homeport: Milwaukee, WI
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gcolton
RO# 9708
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Posted - Jul 03 2012 : 14:46:02
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quote:
Originally posted by The Other Gary
Google "no spill"
I use this all the time and have not had a drop hit the water.
What is it an what do you do with it?
George
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Homeport: EAFB Yacht Club
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Bliss
RO# 2743
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Posted - Jul 03 2012 : 14:57:25
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Years ago, on a very hot mid-morning, I docked my topped off gasser next to a beautiful, large, new Hatteras. The dock was a fixed one where the boats could "see" each other across and under the walkway. About 3:30PM my neighbor, with a chagrined look, nicely pointed out that my boat was peeing gasoline on his pride and joy! Oops!
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Homeport: Reef Point Racine, WI
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vic33004
RO# 27361
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Posted - Jul 03 2012 : 16:50:36
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quote:
Originally posted by The Other Gary
Google "no spill"
I use this all the time and have not had a drop hit the water.
+1
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Homeport: Fort Lauderdale, FL
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SCORPIO
RO# 4810
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Posted - Jul 03 2012 : 17:02:08
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Thats called a Davis No-spill. I have the same boat as you and I use one of those No-spills, they work well. The vents are easily accessable from the cockpit. As was stated, check your vents and leave about 10 percent headspace to allow for expansion. I usually listen to the gas going into the inlet, when I hear gurgling, I stop. I also have fuel flow meters and I know how man gallons I burned since last fill up so I have a good idea on when its getting full.
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Homeport: Lewes, Delaware
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The Other Gary
RO# 143
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Posted - Jul 03 2012 : 22:41:53
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The bottle attaches over the vent with the suction cups, If the fuel burps out the vent it is caught before it hits the water.
I open the bottle top so I can hear the vent gurgle and stop filling.
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Gary Peck 1997 Bayliner 3988 MY, twin 330 Cummins
I saw a movie where only the military and the police had guns,,,,, It was called Schindler's List |
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Homeport: Toronto, Lake Ontario
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dominic
RO# 2355
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Posted - Jul 04 2012 : 05:13:02
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Just a thought.....that no spill bottle.....does it make an air tight connection between the hull and the bottle? If so, then it may help prevent phase seperation of ethanol gasoline. How? Well, from my understanding, one of the main reasons the fuel phase-seperates is from absorbtion of water molecules in air. Because the tanks are vented, the moisture is absorbed from the air entering the vents. If the vents are 'blocked' then no moisture can enter the tanks. Just a thought....but you will have to remember to remove the bottles before leaving the dock!
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later,
dominic
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Homeport: Jersey Shore, NJ
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stmbtwle
RO# 7934
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Posted - Jul 04 2012 : 07:21:20
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I seems to me that any time you fill the tank COMPLETELY FULL you are risking a spill from expansion as noted above.
You should have a way to gauge the tank so you can STOP before you get to that point. Maybe that "burp" at the fill pipe is your warning. Trying to squeeze in an extra gallon or two could get VERY expensive!
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Homeport: Tampa Bay, FL
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Sandy
RO# 1159
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Posted - Jul 04 2012 : 11:43:37
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Originally posted by KiDa
As an alternative;
Green Marine Fuel Whistle
In my experience from having installed a vent line whistle on my old Sea Craft many years ago, this is one of the most annoying marine product ever made and not just to the boat owner but to anyone remotely nearby.
The one I had, that looked just like the one pictured but without the attachment wings, was LOUD and of course they don't just whistle as an alert when near full, they whistle full time for the 100 or 200 gallons taken on , and the faster the pump flow the louder the whistle which in my case could be heard hundreds of feet away. It lasted all of one excruciating fill, then was ripped out and smashed into little tiny bits .
If it only alerted when nearing full, that would be great, but it's not the case at all. It only STOPS whistling when fuel goes up the vent hose and possibly out the vent. Pointless.
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Homeport: The Vineyard
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GeeBee
RO# 385
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Posted - Jul 04 2012 : 12:09:39
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I like the whistle. The Davis no spill bottle reminds me of the doctor's visit after the vasectomy.
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"The trouble with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."... Margaret Thatcher
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Homeport: Lake Lanier, GA
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Comogene
RO# 9942
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Posted - Jul 04 2012 : 18:47:44
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I'm with Sandy. One fill with that constant LOUD whistle and out they came.
If anyone wants them, let me know and I'll see if I can find them.
Gene
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Homeport: Beverly, MA
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estame6
RO# 27400
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Posted - Jul 05 2012 : 09:29:52
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Lots of great info and I have a story when topping off gas tank, leaving my fellow club members who were spending the night, well you know the rest!!
The consensus is being able to top off tanks leaving a measured void at the top of the tank for expansion and pretty well knowing how much fuel you actually have in both tanks. As mentioned in my original post I was hoping someone had knowledge or at least tried using a product like the heat sensing strips used on propane tanks, would show the level towards the top of the tank same as showing the level in a propane tank. I can easily (and safely) see the tanks from a rear hatch so am going to experiment and try to find a product to aid this. Even a temperature sensing sticker connected to a meter sensing the drop in temp when the fuels reaches a point. Just n 'idea.......
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Sandy
RO# 1159
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Posted - Jul 05 2012 : 11:52:44
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Estame6- As longs as you have have metal tanks and can see the tank side near where the fill opening is if the tank is tilted at all, 'd think the temp sensing strip would work OK, though there may be a little delay in response to rise in level, and I kind of recall the ones I tried were a little hard to see.
A friend gave up on his succession of cheap "universal" swingarm gauge senders and now uses the accurate TankTender system you might look into. It would not be my preference since you have to push a rubber button mini-pump to insert air each time a reading is desired but it is VERY accurate at reading tank fuel LEVEL , and that can be tabled to equate to gallon volume remaining or used. .
http://thetanktender.com/
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Dave H
RO# 7245
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 11:38:07
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Ahh for the old days of a dip stick. I can dip both main tanks. The belly tnak is a problem but runs only the genny. I will be doing something there, I'll follow this topic.
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Homeport: Mystic, CT
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stmbtwle
RO# 7934
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Posted - Jul 12 2012 : 08:03:20
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Originally posted by Dave H
Ahh for the old days of a dip stick. I can dip both main tanks. The belly tnak is a problem but runs only the genny. I will be doing something there, I'll follow this topic.
+1
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Homeport: Tampa Bay, FL
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Prospective
RO# 23085
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Posted - Jul 12 2012 : 10:03:21
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I second the idea of just listening to the vent. If you have a rough idea of how much fuel you need just be conservative and start listening ahead of time. If I think I need about 100 gallons I'll put my ear to the vent at 80gal and listen. As soon as I hear gurgling I'm done.
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Sandy
RO# 1159
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Posted - Jul 12 2012 : 11:24:21
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Listening to the vent or fill can really help judge near-full but at least at the pump dock I use there is nearly always considerable ambient noise of forklifts , other boats, bands at several reataurants so hearing is tough. Sometimes I use a long-neck transmission funnel as a "hearing trumpet" aimed at the fill.
On my boat the Davis bottle is not something that is feasibly attachable but I can see it might work well for those who can lean over to the vent while standing in the cockpit. I just do the best I can with pretty good results because my 2 sets of redundant fuel totalizers usually are accurate to with around 1-2 gallon used or often closer than that when around 100 gal.s are pumped. But in order for them to be accurate , they have to be reset when the tanks are fully filled so I slow pumping to a dribble when I know it's close and that works pretty well with maybe a drop or 3 from the vent.
Last year I had a couple oz of gas come out the vent and very briefly stain the water below. I apologized to the attendant who laughed and said every single time the Environmental Police fill their official boat there they spill at least 10x as much.
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rduhon
RO# 29321
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Posted - Jul 12 2012 : 11:49:50
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I have the whistle. It works good for me. I have it installed in the vent hose, right where it takes off from the tank.
Mine is not that loud.
When you remove the bottle from the vent, you can still spill. Some may spill out the bottle, some out the hose.
I go by the fuel flow meter totalizer. When I start getting close to the amount I think I need, I slow down the gas nozzle.
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