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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Jul 05 2012 : 19:17:56
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I bet I can take that boat load it up with 10 people and slam a 8 ft wave into it and it doesn't roll over. Captain is a fool. He overloaded the boat, he knows it and he is looking for excuses so he can go on living.
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L. Keith
RO# 1615
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 Posted - Jul 05 2012 : 19:40:33
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Originally posted by CurrentSea
I bet I can take that boat load it up with 10 people and slam a 8 ft wave into it and it doesn't roll over. Captain is a fool. He overloaded the boat, he knows it and he is looking for excuses so he can go on living.
I learned a long time ago that boats had throttles and if you pull back on the power you will not "slam" into an 8' wave. Folks in a small boat can get injured/killed from slamming into an 8' wave as quickly as they can die from drowning. You ever been in real 8' seas in a small boat, if so I doubt you would make that comment.
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ranger42c
RO# 32710
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Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 06:30:55
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Originally posted by Gregory S
Agree, there should be capacity plates on any vessel, but the fact is that they are only mandated on vessels up to 20 something feet.
Next, we will be reading about the lawsuits filed against the manufacturer of the boat for selling an inherently unsafe product.
Greg, Vince and Pat are missing you on the SOC...
BTW, lots of similar discussion on this topic there, of course.
-Chris
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wciparchia
RO# 25200
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Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 06:39:32
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I believe the boat was a 1984 34 Silverton Aft cabin. Those were top heavy with 5 people on board.
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pstew96
RO# 12527
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Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 06:51:53
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On my Sea Ray capacity plate it states 8 people or 1200lbs, 1600 with gear. Anyone know if it really is against the law to exceed this plate? Those poor children, very sad.....
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Gregory S
RO# 2620
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Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 07:17:55
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That's the information I'm used to seeing on a capacity plate, both # of persons. and wt. Required only on boats up to 26 feet in length.
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xmeter
RO# 32559
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Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 08:40:32
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I could be wrong here but did Silverton even make a 34' aft cabin in 1984? I thought that they only made the 34 in a convertible and a weird looking trawler type boat.
I didn't think they came out with a 34' aft cabin until somewhere in the 90's.
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Marlin
RO# 10584
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Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 09:26:06
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quote:
Originally posted by CurrentSea
I bet I can take that boat load it up with 10 people and slam a 8 ft wave into it and it doesn't roll over. Captain is a fool. He overloaded the boat, he knows it and he is looking for excuses so he can go on living.
Then you don't know this boat as I highly doubt you would punch through an 8' wave with 10 people on board, with a whopping 220hp (real HP numbers from 350cuin) a side you're not punching anything other the throttles to the wall wondering where the power is, plain and simple it is a fair weather bay boat.
Combination of overloaded fair weather boat, at night and in rough conditions = capsize.
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sortie
RO# 2043
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Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 10:52:55
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Then you don't know this boat as I highly doubt you would punch through an 8' wave with 10 people on board
+1 more then 6 people on this boat would make me nervous. 8' seas on this boat would scare me sensless. 27 is a crime,plain and simple.
John
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SilverBullet
RO# 20331
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Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 12:01:02
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I'm still trying to figure out how to fit 27 people on a 34ft Silverton.
The operator/captain and the owner should be brought up on serious charges.
Three young lives lost as a result of gross negligence.
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Ghost
RO# 689
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Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 12:17:55
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I very very very much doubt they had 8 foot seas. Try to maintain focus, it did not take an 8foot wave to capsize this boat. Probably no more than about 6 foot of moron is all it required, but then moron is much more powerful than mother nature.
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 13:16:55
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I was theorizing. I have seen a 34' silverton in 6 to 8 foot seas and it handled it fine. Granted it had 4 people on it.
Just saying that the boat could handle wakes and waves if not overloaded. Once overloaded all bets are off.
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MarcJ
RO# 29549
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Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 18:11:16
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I had a similar Silverton (352) and I never felt right with over six people on the bridge.
The bridge is very high for that boat's size and when it gets a big wave on the beam it gets very tipsy and passengers get scare and start moving around making it worse.
I agree: that boat is a lake and fair weather boat.
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nyc_bob
RO# 32179
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Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 20:10:33
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Originally posted by Bradley
Here in Australia boats this size do have capacity limits so by way of comparison my 40ft boat has a limit of 13 and given that it is designed on a professional fishing boat hull and from my observation I would guess it has superioir stability to any Silverton I have seen. All very tragic though and I note many people (non boaters in particular) have no sense of what is safe unsafe in a boat and would board based on an invitation alone.
I have an European made boat where capacity plates seem to be required.
40 ft and a capacity plate that says 12 persons.
I've had 22 on board fairly comfortably at the dock but wouldn't go out like that.
The guy in the Silverton made a huge error in judgement going out with that many people on board. Tragic for all involved.
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stmbtwle
RO# 7934
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Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 21:05:23
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Again, Politics rears it's ugly head...
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walterv
RO# 12640
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Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 21:42:34
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What a lot all here are not getting is a 34c of this vintage is not the same as the 34c (2004 and forward ) I had. Second, this is a huge tragedy and I for one think the captain was dumb, but not criminal. Listen, I am just saying that this is real bad for this captain, he will never be the same. Real bad decision to do what he did.
My heart goes out to everyone involved.
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Dani-Lu
RO# 19601
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Posted - Jul 07 2012 : 00:05:52
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Ditto Walter!
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - Jul 07 2012 : 00:48:15
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Originally posted by rnbenton
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Originally posted by Billylll
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Originally posted by PascalG
I understand at least 2 of the 3 bodies were found in the cabin, where kids often like to hang out on a boat. PFDs would not have helped... The focus should be on the real cause of the accident which is over loading and pure stupidity.
Whether or not there were enough PFDs on the boat is really irrelevant as when a boat capsize there is no time to get the damn PFDs... And again, having PFDs on board doesn't do you and your passengers any good if they buried under a vee berth in the cabin. Once the boat is on its side, are you sure you can open the cabin door if it has slammed shut? Or any interior door when the frame are likely to have been distorted? Or when someone's bag has shifted and jammed the door, but can't see it in the dark water?
This accident needs to be a wake up call to all, beyond chanting the "thou should have a PFD" mantra
Pascal I really agree in fact I think PFD's on kids in the cabin would hinder their escape they would be trapped up against the highest point in the cabin and unable to swim out once the pressure was released from within the cabin.
Which means most if not all of the air cavities or pockets would have to fill with water before they could attempt opening even a hatch to make an escape.
Bill
Please correct me if I'm wrong. But, aren't PFD's required for all passengers under 12 y/o "when outside the cabin". Not wearing them in the cabin is perfectly legal.
Bob
You are correct Bob children under 12 do not need to wear PFD's inside an enclosed cabin which is what all 34C models have, an enclosed cabin. I'm with Walter no criminal charges should be brought against the Captain. However it is plain old stupid to load that style boat with that number of people. It is a real shame for the 3 children that lost their live's and the Captain will have to live with that the rest of his life. My boat is a 40 plus foot really made by the same factory I would never have more then 6 people on the boat when cruising at the dock she will hold plenty more.
The owners manual for my Mainship 40 Sedan Bridge says it sleeps 8 people that's good enough for me to limit the weight to 8 regular sized people. This seems like a tragic preventible accident due to poor judgement.
Bill
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stmbtwle
RO# 7934
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Posted - Jul 07 2012 : 05:56:51
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Originally posted by MarcJ
I had a similar Silverton (352) and I never felt right with over six people on the bridge.
The bridge is very high for that boat's size and when it gets a big wave on the beam it gets very tipsy and passengers get scare and start moving around making it worse.
I agree: that boat is a lake and fair weather boat.
Bayliner had the same problem back around 1980. Don't remember what model boat though.
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rnbenton
RO# 31163
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Posted - Jul 07 2012 : 06:36:22
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Originally posted by walterv
Second, this is a huge tragedy and I for one think the captain was dumb, but not criminal. Listen, I am just saying that this is real bad for this captain, he will never be the same. Real bad decision to do what he did.
My heart goes out to everyone involved.
Well said, Walter. That guy is going to have lots of sleepless nights and nightmares and the parents are going to have a hole in their lives that will never be filled. We have to remember, the parents are also partly responsible (and will spend the rest of their lives blaming themselves) because they decided for both themselves and their kids get on that boat.
It just seems that "Common Sense" just isn't all that common anymore.
Bob
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mintregila
RO# 13060
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Posted - Jul 07 2012 : 07:14:51
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This will become a boating safety class lesson example like the guy who ran his boat between the barge and the tug. Unfortunately, too many people don't take any classes.
I think we all encounter the dumb out on the water and that's why we think this is criminal. I agree these people will have to live with this the rest of their lives. I have great sympathy for them. However, if they start talking about it being Silverton's fault, then all bets are off.
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stmbtwle
RO# 7934
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Posted - Jul 07 2012 : 07:45:02
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I doubt it's "Silverton's fault"; overloaded is overloaded. But without specs or recommendations, the lawyers are going to have a ball.
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Jul 07 2012 : 08:33:22
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I really don't think or hope their will be suits here. It was all family. July 4th will never be the same for them or family get togethers. Saw the women on tv who boat was named after. Candi. She was a wreck.
Just unreal sad. If it was me who owned the boat I would have a tough time living after this. The thought of what those poor kids went thru in the last minute in that cabin.
I imagine they had screen door open on cabin with the heat unless genny was on. Probably flooded quick.
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ronlord
RO# 2010
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Posted - Jul 07 2012 : 09:45:31
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Bayliner had the same problem back around 1980. Don't remember what model boat though.
27' Victoria with 8' beam. They nicknamed them "tippy Vickies"
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charliethetuna
RO# 32820
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 11:17:34
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a lawyer for the operator of the boat has stated that the boat was not overloaded. he is blaming the town for not providing crowd control.
there will be lawsuits a-plenty. remember, this is the country where everything is somebody elses fault.
whomever made the decision to pile 27 people on the boat killed those kids. a terrible tragedy that could have been avoided if only there were a responsible boater in the crowd.
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 11:26:17
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How about putting the damn lawyers on the boat after they raised it, ballast it with the weight of the remaining passengers and see how he feels..
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
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BoatCrazy
RO# 30843
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 11:33:51
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I am in no way knocking anyones boat here, but those old Silvertons are built well. Great solid boats, and I still see plenty of them around. I dont think it was a problem of the boat having a narrow beam or any balogna of that kind.
That boat, its sure easy to fit 10 people in the back cockpit, we know three kids were in the cabin, thats 13 that are accounted for. Call it another 8 on the bow, yes the bow, weve all seen boats of that size with people on the bow at a firework show, so that leaves 6 people on the bridge...
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 11:56:36
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Your not gonna justify putting 27 people on the boat. Using that logic the boat could hold 50 people.
10 in cockput, 10 in cabin, 10 on bridge, 10 on bow, 5 on swim platform, 5 hanging on side rails.
It's not the # of people that capsized the boat, it's the weight and the shifting of the weight.
Heck, I bet 15 people could tip it if they all stood on 1 side!
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L. Keith
RO# 1615
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 12:13:53
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Does anybody know what EXACT size, year and model Silverton that was involved? There is a very basic formula, used by many state agencies and national boater's groups that can be used to determine "Safe Capacity" of a boat if not fitted with a capacity plate. It is L X W divided by 15= Number of person (150lbs) (L=Length, W=Width). Based on non-technical information a Silverton 34C, early model, is 34' X 12.6' which would give an estimated maximum capacity of persons (150 lbs person) of 28. A newer model 36c with 37'7"(rounded down to 37.5' for easy math) X 13'10' (rounded down to 13.5' for easy math) would have an estimated maximum capacity of person (150 lbs persons) of 33.
I am not saying those are safe numbers or unsafe numbers, that formula is what is set out there for the non-technical public to use as a guide.
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stmbtwle
RO# 7934
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 12:25:28
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There's more to it than just weight, you have to determine where that weight is likely to be.
There's going to be a big difference in results depending on whether those 33 persons are in the cabin, or on the fly bridge..
It's my understanding that the problem with the "Tippy Vickies" was they were a large cabin version of an older, perfectly safe boat. The larger cabin provided a larger roof, which allowed more people (weight) on the fly bridge (oops).
Raise G far enough, and you're going to have a problem.
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BoatCrazy
RO# 30843
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 12:40:46
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Dave, totally not justifying it at all. Just showing, that 27 people on that boat, yes it is over occupied, but its certainly not tight.
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L. Keith
RO# 1615
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 12:47:01
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Wille, I very much understand weight and balance, you also need to account for tank levels, vessel design, vessel construction, vessel service and route of operation plus many more factors. Read my previous two (2) post on this matter. What I am pointing out is there is a mathematical "Formula" for maximum capacity of persons that is published in "Boater Safety Booklets" by many state regulatory agencies charged with enforcement of boating safety and by at least one (1)national boating safety group.
The only true way to determine capacity is to conduct a plan review of the boat, observe and document actual construction of the boat, conduct a incline experiment of each boat after construction and final fitting out and preparing a "Stability Booklet" for each individual boat based on numerous loading arrangements, vessel service and intended route.
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 12:55:03
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Not sure that formula applies here:
This formula, L X B/15, has been around a long, long, time. I have traced it as far back as the 1940’s. In the boating world, that is ancient. It has shown up in a lot of well respected boating publications, books, and even in the US Coast Guard Boatbuilders Handbook. It is not the formula that boat manufacturers and builders are required to use to determine persons capacity for recreational boats, or for commercial passenger carrying boats. The formula is a rule of thumb. It is only meant to be used as a rough estimate. It is in the handbook only as a way to estimate the number of passengers. It is also only intended for use with small mono-hull boats, usually outboard powered but it has been used for small inboards. It should never be used for boats more than 25 or 26 feet in length. It is simply not applicable to larger boats
Taken from http://newboatbuilders.com/docs/BoatCapacityVSAvailableSeating.pdf
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getakey
RO# 32379
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stmbtwle
RO# 7934
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 13:15:41
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L Keith I'm quite familiar with stability booklets, GM, tank free surface, etc. which of course you didn't bother to mention in your post. My guess is if you could put 33 persons (5000# MOL) on the fly bridge of the boat in question you're going to have a problem. They only had 27 (of which 3 were known to be in the cabin), and they had a problem anyway.
I'm just saying there's a WHOLE lot more to it than just L x B / 15.
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L. Keith
RO# 1615
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 14:03:45
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Wille, I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you on this, but tank levels (which I mention in several of my above, please read) take into account free surface effect. If you sound a tank and the level reflects a less than fully pressed up tank, a properly prepared stability book will take the potential free surface movement of liquids into account on the overall stability of the vessel.
I agree with you and say several times in my above post, that stability is based on many variables. On July 5, 2012, in this thread, I posted "There are so many variables involved in determining capacity and a One-Size Fits All capacity plate is misleading and can in some cases be very dangerous."
If Joe Blow boater is sitting on a boat trying to make a decision on how many people to take out to watch the fire works, and he, like many on this site are "Google Geniuses" and Joe Blow does a web search on safe boat capacity, that formula will show up as a guide.
Wille if you put 5,000 pounds of weight on the Flying Bridge of a Silverton, I'm pretty sure the superstructure supporting that Flying Bridge would suffer a sudden and complete structural failure, IE the Flying Bridge would collapse into the lower deckhouse before the boat ever left the dock. Do flies operate boats? Then why do some people have a "Fly Bridge" on their boat? I was taught an open bridge was a Flying Bridge.
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psalzer
RO# 4570
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 14:22:32
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I have a Bayliner 2858 Command Bridge...3 adults on the bridge is the max for me, and that is in calm water. As far as I am concerned 8 passengers is my maximum, any more than that and performance is affected. 27 people on a 34' boat makes no sense tied to the dock, much less underway!
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mintregila
RO# 13060
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 14:56:02
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Not to join the fray but not all 34 ft boats are created equal. A quick search on YW shows that this vintage weighed 12,500 dry. When 27 people boarded, this boat would have been obviously unstable at the dock let alone rocking back and forth in wakes. I don't think anyone on board would have guessed that it could flip over but a reasonable boater would have thought it unsafe for many reasons.
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 15:13:38
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Did they raise it yet?
I said it on another thread that I wouldn't be suprised if there was something else here affecting this.
Bilge not working.
Weight of boat pushed below thru hull and water coming in.
It does take a lot of force to flip a boat of this size.
The way it went over and sunk so quickly leads me to believe there was more weight in the bilge than just the people up top!
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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zane
RO# 19940
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 15:53:51
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Anything is possible. I know someone who had same vintage boat that partially sank at the dock. The mufflers from the factory were aluminum . One night the muffler gave out and what was a trickle of water coming in thru the exhaust eventually became a gusher the lower the boat went.
In most boats the pumps are in the center. if these exhausts were under water and something gave out all that water rushing in would primarily stay on the port or starboard side based on the bulkheads . the limber holes are pretty small. be very interesting to see what they find.
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 17:05:06
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27 pax averaging 150 lbs = 4000 lbs or 30% of the boat weight
There are a few 53 Hatt like mine that have been USCG inspected for up to 49 pax... That would be about 7500 lbs which is 15% of the boat weight... Going by the "formula" the boat could take 55 pax
This simplistic example alone shows that formula can not be used...
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1970 Hatteras 53 MY
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16' Hobie Cat
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stmbtwle
RO# 7934
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 17:07:50
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Well inasmuch as I've never seen a bridge fly (they do fall down occasionally), I don't think "flying bridge" is any more or less correct than "fly bridge". It is what it is and you can call it whatever you darn well please.
But the general consensus is that the boat was improperly loaded (if not overloaded) for the conditions. Maybe the operator knew this and maybe he didn't; 5000# isn't really that much of a load for a 34' boat. But while builders aren't required to provide capacity plates (much less stability booklets), something of the sort (IF it had been followed) might have saved three lives.
Lacking documentation how was the guy to know? Even the "Boater's Bible" (Chapman's) assuming he had read it has little or no discussion on stability.
It would be simple enough to have plates affixed denoting the max number of persons allowed on the boat AND the max number of persons allowed on the fly bridge/flying bridge/cabin top/coach roof/sundeck/cancer deck/penthouse/roof/whatchamacallit, using the worst case scenario of all tanks say 1/4 full, crossovers if any open, and a certain amount of water in the bilge. At least that should cover the manufacturer's rosy red.
As it is they may be out on a limb and lawyers aren't free.
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robedney
RO# 15560
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 17:52:28
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I have seen a fly bridge fly -- which I guess made it a flying bride. Huge storm a few years back -- peeled the thing right off a boat and carried it across the harbor. You'd think the steering/engine control cables would have kept it attached, but no. Never underestimate the power of wind.
As for posting load limits, there's a cost benefit analysis that manufacturers consider when looking at this stuff. You might think it has to do with the cost of figuring out the limit, printing and installing the placards. More likely, however, it's the cost in sales potential by telling a potential buyer that she/he can't put a crowd on the boat.
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Remember, if you are going boating -- take your boat. Don't ask me how I know this.
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walterv
RO# 12640
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 18:47:16
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Listen,
I agree with all here that 27 people on this boat is a bit over the top an I certainly would not do this but for different reasons. But with that said, sure, 27 people on this boat (23 adults) is doable. Doable meaning they can all fit and not feel like sardines in a can. Also, keep in mind this was a put put ride not far from the dock to just sit and watch fireworks. This was also in the long island sound and not 10 miles in the ocean.
Something else happened here to contribute to this tragedy and when they pull the boat from the bottom it would not surprise me to see something else happened. Not knowing this year and model, but knowing a bit about Silverton, my concern or observation is that a thru hull fitting that was not meant to be below the waterline was suddenly below the waterline with this excess weight. I have heard of Silverton using plastic thru hull fittings on thru hull that is above the waterline. The problem with that is if the thru hull gets below the water line you can pop the hose from the thru hull. The reason that happens is you can't torque the hose tight enough around a plastic fitting.
I guess we all just need to see what the deal is once the boat is extracted from the bottom. "No alcohol or drugs", mostly family members, Not sure about you guys, but has me thinking this is not the first time this boat was loaded like this.
Just My 2C
Walter
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 18:53:48
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I think no matter what is found to be the cause, there is a lesson here that flybridge owners should learn. One lesson that screams at me is you need to have a big hammer in the boat or something like that to break the glass on the salon door. When a boat like this turns over, the stress on the big opening on the salon door can make the door not open, I bet this is how those poor kids died and could not get out.
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 19:03:08
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Posted - Jul 11 2012 : 19:38:15
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Sorry -- looking at the pic above (and the youtube video) plain old common sense would tell anyone who had any that 27 people is a severe, dangerous overload on that boat. No formulas, calcs or static stability testing needed. No keel, no reserve stability to speak of, fly(ing) bridge -- it all adds up. I'm kind of surprised she just didn't roll making the first turn out of the slip. They might have had a fighting chance if they's all been stuffed into the cabin to keep the weight low and centered -- but even then...
The real question -- and I'm talking moral here, not legal -- is when something passes ignorance and becomes negligence. Surely the owner didn't set out to kill anyone -- but the danger seems so overwhelmingly obvious.
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terrible way to end july 4th, or any day
