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Double D
RO# 10727
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PeteMrrs
RO# 4125
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Posted - Jul 05 2012 : 09:19:15
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Sad indeed. We have a 32' Silverton, albiet an express cruiser. I can not fathom 27 passengers, nor the proper pfd's for that many.
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Homeport: Osprey Marina, Myrtle Beach SC
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Holy Grail
RO# 17953
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Posted - Jul 05 2012 : 13:24:30
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A 32' yacht flips over from a sharp turn & wake while going slow? I don't get it.
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Homeport: Massapequa, NY
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walterv
RO# 12640
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Posted - Jul 05 2012 : 13:26:46
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My 2004 34C (much larger 34C, than later models)
6 or 7 on the bridge
8 in the salon
5 or 6 in the cockpit
21 total ??? safely???
I bet there were two many people on the bridge, One time when we were at dock, we got 10 people up on the bridge to play a game. Well that lasted about 2 minutes, reason being is with all that weight, the sliding door below was binding. I am surprised Silverton does not have a sticker that shows the max weight on the bridge.
Also, how could one captain a boat safely with that many people in one area??? Talk about distractions!!!
Yup,
very sad
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Holy Grail
RO# 17953
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Posted - Jul 05 2012 : 13:29:02
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Now I do. Weather got snotty real fast. Waves were pounding, night time, too many people on a 34' boat. Bad combination. Very sad
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Homeport: Massapequa, NY
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Jul 05 2012 : 13:42:29
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Weather was not as factor.
Storm came after.
It was a wake but even so, boat was overloaded.
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2009 Regal 4080
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Homeport: Anchorage YC - Lindenhurst, NY
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Jul 05 2012 : 13:48:28
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I love the comment about the captain standing on top of the boat waving his arms.
Why wasn't he underwater trying to open the sliding door.
He is the only one most familiar with how that door opened.
The kids probably inside had no idea how to open it and at that point upside down, they probably were alive. I imagine the cabin wouldn't flood quickly. Pitch black. Life jackets wouldn't of helped.
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2009 Regal 4080
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Homeport: Anchorage YC - Lindenhurst, NY
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Double D
RO# 10727
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Posted - Jul 05 2012 : 14:14:30
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Was he a licensed captain ??? If so they should hang his ass.
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zane
RO# 19940
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Posted - Jul 05 2012 : 14:21:55
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I have same boat. I recently took a day trip to Robert Moses. We had 5 adults and 6 kids under 10 on board. On the bridge cruising over were me and 2 buddies. The kids and woman were either in cockpit or cabin. The boat felt cramped. granted its usually just 3 of us cruising over to atlantique. This guy was insane and so was every adult onboard. I mean i have never flown a plane but if i went to the gate and it was standing room only in the plane I wouldnt get on.
Yes the captain is ultimately responsible but as a parent you are ultimately responsible for your kids. An article said there were experienced boaters onboard. How could you look at that boat and think it would be ok to put your kids on. Just sitting at the dock i bet the boot stripe and exhausts were under water. That boat had to be sitting funny right at the dock. This is just horrible.
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Homeport: long island, n.y.
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recreator
RO# 14979
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Posted - Jul 05 2012 : 14:22:12
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Way too many people on that boat! The captain is now claiming a rogue wave was to blame. My bet is this guy had little or no experience on the water. It's amazing to me that anyone can plunk down thier money and start operating a boat. It makes no sense at all.
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Homeport: ny
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EdFitz
RO# 32779
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Posted - Jul 05 2012 : 15:08:33
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Man, I'm sure even BOB would not have been that dumb.
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Homeport: OC, MD
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JVM225
RO# 28365
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Posted - Jul 05 2012 : 16:39:13
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Very sad!
If a wake was in fact a contributing factor, then it was a situation where two knuckleheads came together:
The captain of the 34 Silverton had the boat way too overloaded and apparently not enough life jackets, and the guy running the boat that threw off the wake (if there was one) was equally at fault.
It can be very frustrating when you come upon someone in your path, or who will be effected by your wake. Sometimes you just want to keep going on course anyway. But ultimately you are responsible for your wake.
I also hate it when someone with one of those big "water plows" is coming my way, and I'm often tempted to do something to get their attention, or to make them think about how they should either learn how to plane their boat off or slow down to minimize their wake, but I refrain from letting my emotions get the best of me.
When someone is doing something really stupid, the solution is seldom, if ever, to do something at least equally as stupid.
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Merri Mack
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C6 Corvette Convertible
68 GTO
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PeteMrrs
RO# 4125
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Posted - Jul 05 2012 : 18:15:31
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JVM;
Usually those water plowing Captains are already aware of what they are doing, and somehow feel "entitled" due to the size of their crafts.
Any efforts on your part to make them think about their actions would be futile.
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Homeport: Osprey Marina, Myrtle Beach SC
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mintregila
RO# 13060
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Posted - Jul 05 2012 : 22:24:26
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Hard to say where the wake came from. Out in the sound, i have seen very large yachts running far away and 10 minutes later a giant wake arrives.
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Homeport: Long Beach, NY/Pompano Beach, FL
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Double D
RO# 10727
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Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 07:01:28
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Todays Newsday says it was a 1984 34' Silverton cabin cruiser ( sedan ).
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CaptCrunch
RO# 32171
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Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 07:19:02
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Its so sad how someone can cause pure negligence, I can't understand how anyone could think that many people on that size boat would be safe. He should be charged criminally
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Homeport: Bellmore, NY
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Double D
RO# 10727
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Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 07:27:23
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 07:40:11
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+1
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Homeport: Anchorage YC - Lindenhurst, NY
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PeteMrrs
RO# 4125
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Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 07:54:01
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I have a 32' Silverton Express cruiser. I can't imagine more than 8 on board. 6 would be much more in my comfort range.
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Homeport: Osprey Marina, Myrtle Beach SC
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HOGAN
RO# 3813
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 Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 08:22:16
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Just plain stupidity. We were on a mooring in Lloyd Harbor - the weather was not a factor at all. Between overcrowding and the idiots who feel that they need to race back...
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Double D
RO# 10727
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Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 09:08:23
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They say there were 1,000 boats at the show !.........
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 09:29:01
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Another factor with that many people is watching the show. He probably was turning boat so people could see the show better. At the same time everyone ran to that side to see the show. 27 people suddenly shift from one side to another while in a turn and you can easily flip. If the wave or wake also hit them then add that in. Either way it was a overload issue.
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Homeport: Anchorage YC - Lindenhurst, NY
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tcontic
RO# 28985
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RO# 1967
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 Posted - Jul 06 2012 : 20:13:39
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Originally posted by Double D
Was he a licensed captain ??? If so they should hang his ass.
Come on Don, what the hell difference does it make whether the guy had a license or not.
The kids are still gone...and he will have to live with that.
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Homeport: Queens, NY
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JeffN
RO# 3672
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Posted - Jul 07 2012 : 16:04:24
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'The yacht company filed for bankruptcy in April' silverton is in receiver-ship?
And Cusomano said only 8 is prudent on board for a boat that sleeps 6? It's a shame, all the dumb coverage that happens after a ghastly tragedy like this. Peace to the survivors.
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Holy Grail
RO# 17953
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Posted - Jul 07 2012 : 20:48:59
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Talked to a guy on scene. Said weather was a factor after boat capsized. Drew the boat out quickly. Also said wake bounced boat into an uncontrollable state as it left the area. Said life jackets would not have mattered. I totally agree captain should have been under trying to open the cabin for those poor kids. This is all so very sad.
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Homeport: Massapequa, NY
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JVM225
RO# 28365
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Posted - Jul 08 2012 : 09:02:14
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I hope they can track down the person who made the wake and prosecute him or her, but it's unlikely that they will be able to narrow it down since it was dark out.
I would be surprised if there weren't some kind of criminal charges against the operator of the boat that capsized. It would be a shame if he were the only one to have to answer for what happened.
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Merri Mack
MMSI #338122779
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C6 Corvette Convertible
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BoatCrazy
RO# 30843
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Posted - Jul 08 2012 : 10:05:24
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Not for nothing, but the guy who was running the boat was a moron, plain and simple. How could you leave the dock with that many people on your boat? Oh well we arent going to go fast and we are only running out to the bay.
You cant fix stupidity
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Homeport: Long Beach NY
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JVM225
RO# 28365
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Posted - Jul 08 2012 : 10:51:40
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Originally posted by BoatCrazy
Not for nothing, but the guy who was running the boat was a moron, plain and simple. How could you leave the dock with that many people on your boat? Oh well we arent going to go fast and we are only running out to the bay.
You cant fix stupidity
I agree. Especially since by all accounts he was an experienced skipper. He should have known better. Taking that many people out on a boat that size was reckless at the very least.
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87 Sea Ray, 30' Sundancer
Merri Mack
MMSI #338122779
95 Eastern 22'
C6 Corvette Convertible
68 GTO
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Jul 08 2012 : 11:20:46
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Something I was just looking at on my boat could of been a another factor here.
So how much weight would it take to push the waterline to a point where a thru hull is now under water.
I wonder if this boat was doomed when it left the dock wave or no wave.
If it was filling with water and he turned suddenly and all the water blasted to one side it would help capsize it.
Would also explain why it sunk so quickly.
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Homeport: Anchorage YC - Lindenhurst, NY
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jul 08 2012 : 12:22:55
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Yes water sloshing in the bilge could have been a contributing factor. Why do so few boats out there have too few bilge pumps and most importantly no warning lights at the helm? Then how often does the owner actually check to see if the lights work?
But, if properly installed thru hulls should not let water in and there should be a rising loop to prevent syphoning... A good time to remind folks to check their thru hulls and discharges. Don't assume that dealers and yards do it right...
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Jul 08 2012 : 12:33:36
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I bet when the float this boat they will but the 27 people of weight in it to see how it sits. That is 1 test I would do.
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2009 Regal 4080
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Homeport: Anchorage YC - Lindenhurst, NY
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Britanic
RO# 27562
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Posted - Jul 08 2012 : 12:41:37
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I have the same boat for seven years ask any questions you want.
Very sad and I agree captain / owner should not have left the dock with that many people on board.
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Homeport: Barnegat Bay, NJ
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Robski97
RO# 7334
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Posted - Jul 08 2012 : 19:10:31
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Very tragic ! Responsibility lays directly to the feet of the captain ! Now there will law suits , tons of bull**** legislation all due to total stupidity !
Very sad
Rob
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Double D
RO# 10727
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Robski97
RO# 7334
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Posted - Jul 12 2012 : 06:54:41
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James Mercante, an attorney for the boat's owner, has insisted that overcrowding was not a cause of the accident
James u are an idiot ! how about 99% contributing factor .
Rob
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Jul 12 2012 : 07:03:24
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Let's load 27 attorneys on the boat and make a sharp turn!
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2009 Regal 4080
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Homeport: Anchorage YC - Lindenhurst, NY
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Double D
RO# 10727
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Posted - Jul 12 2012 : 07:29:53
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Yes....DIVORCE attorneys.............
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ALKA2710
RO# 25407
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Posted - Jul 12 2012 : 07:33:22
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If you are smart and want to become a Lawyer I tell everyone they should become a Divorce Lawyer. With Gay marriage legalized the divorce rate will more than triple. Lots of business.
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Homeport: FREEPORT
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pstew96
RO# 12527
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Posted - Jul 12 2012 : 08:06:02
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I don't know why someone can't just say there was to many people on the bridge and the boat operator turned to sharply. That could be the only explanation, what good will refloating that old boat proove. And, the law is a bit stupid, they can be in the cabin without floatation and only have to wear them while outside and under way... So much stupid to go around..
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Homeport: Babylon,NY
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Robski97
RO# 7334
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Posted - Jul 12 2012 : 08:43:57
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I actually dont have a problem with the law about no life jackets required inside the cabin. I think it would be of a hinderence in an emergency . Problem is how do u find life jacket afterwards....... But thats a thread all of its own. It comes down to pure stupidity and negligence on the operaters part. ( did i just make up word ? Hinderence ? )
Rob
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pstew96
RO# 12527
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Posted - Jul 12 2012 : 09:25:12
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No, you didn't, but you used it very well...
I don't know if its worse to have the kids stashed in the cabin, or out on deck with no preservers, I'm sure its the later... Still comes down to 27 bodies on a top heavy boat.
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Homeport: Babylon,NY
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Robski97
RO# 7334
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Posted - Jul 12 2012 : 10:32:57
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Agreed...
Funny spell check doesnt recognize
Rob
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Ted C.
RO# 19299
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Posted - Jul 12 2012 : 12:02:17
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In addition to overcrowding and weight distribution etc, taking into consideration the conditions at the time: a thousand boats leaving the area all at once, all going in different directions, at night. Truly an accident waiting to happen.
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Homeport: Northport, Long Island Sound
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Jul 12 2012 : 12:47:13
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Something that bothers me about this is I read that the owner of the boat was on top of the boat after it flipped.
Which tells me that the boat was floating after it went over and that the glass was not to far below surface.
Looking at the pics, there is alot of glass, both on the sides and front.
Glass big enough to get through.
I can't believe noone went through the glass to save those kids or even tried!
Someone had something to break it nearby.
Grab a anchor and swing it!
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Homeport: Anchorage YC - Lindenhurst, NY
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zane
RO# 19940
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Posted - Jul 12 2012 : 13:11:33
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Fight or flight instinct. unfortunately many people dont know what they are capable of until its too late.
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Homeport: long island, n.y.
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pstew96
RO# 12527
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Posted - Jul 12 2012 : 14:27:26
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I agree, 20/20 hindsite, it seems perplexing that no one though to do something... but you know how kids are, never know where they are under foot. Very sad.
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Jul 12 2012 : 16:42:09
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One big concern I always have with sliding doors is that when they slam, they often jump the track and jam. We will probably never knowing that was the case, although I hope investigators make a note of the door condition but let this be a warning to any one who owns or runs a boat with a sliding door. Make sure it is secured and cannot slam shut.
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Jul 12 2012 : 17:47:08
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To avoid exhaust going into cabin you should keep it closed.
I leave mine closed with the key to open it in the door.
Another thing about Silverton's is they do have very low gunnels.
Gunnels on my boat are about twice that of a silverton.
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Homeport: Anchorage YC - Lindenhurst, NY
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Jul 12 2012 : 18:29:37
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Another good video of them raising it.
http://www.news12.com/index.jsp?regionId=1®ion_name=LI
Another theory. I don't see the anchor. What if the anchor deployed and grabbed suddenly on the bottom.
That could keel it over quickly too.
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Homeport: Anchorage YC - Lindenhurst, NY
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walterv
RO# 12640
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Posted - Jul 12 2012 : 19:02:39
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another moronic report
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