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Naut Home

RO# 30670

Posted - Jul 19 2012 :  20:45:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My wife and I were in a relatively crowded but quiet anchorage last weekend, and had a very nice 52 foot Searay Express park next to us around 10 am. They shut down the engines and left the generator running...until 11 that night. We were both stern tied to shore and he was about 50 feet off my port side with his genny exhaust pointed right at my boat. Is there any proper protocol to running a genny that long or to politely ask him to limit his use? Or should he be able to run it for as long as he likes. It definitely disrupted our day. We usually run ours for an hour in the morning and an hour in the evening to keep the batteries topped up. Please give me your thoughts.

Homeport: Port Severn, Ontario

hackalar

RO# 16331



Posted - Jul 19 2012 :  21:36:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Where we boat (Tennessee river) everybody runs genny all day. We shut them down at night before we go to sleep and right back on as soon as we wake. We like our AC!




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cmariner32

RO# 7269



Posted - Jul 19 2012 :  21:41:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
IMHO..a 52 footer would want to run the genny to keep making ice in the ice maker....running the AC etc. 50 feet away would be sufficient space so that CO shouldn't be that much of a concern-again IMHO. Then again...in Canada...maybe an 80 degree high with 20% humidity would not warrant running the A/C...but you still need the icemaker for cocktails.

The only thing that works on an old boat.....is the Owner.

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Veebyes

RO# 11224

Posted - Jul 19 2012 :  21:48:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Protocol for me would be, if nobody else in anchorage is using a genny the newcomer should also have consideration for others & remain silent, except perhaps run it for short time cooking purposes.

Many boaters brag how quiet their gennys are. Sure they are....when you are onboard & all you hear is a low hum or the air from the AC. They don't hear the drone of the exhaust that everyone around them has to put up with.

We once had a houseboater show up in the quiet anchorage with a portable contractor type genny on the back deck. He fired it up & disappeared into the cool of the AC. Finally the thing ran out of gas & the inconsiderate bozzo came out to fill it up. Everyone applauded. He got the message, upped anchor & left.



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Audrey II

RO# 30499



Posted - Jul 19 2012 :  21:54:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I run my generator most of the day as well as the night! Two frig one ice maker two AC units I like to be comfortable.

Dave

I just wish common sense was a little more common.
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Billylll

RO# 24494

Posted - Jul 19 2012 :  22:12:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Move if you don't like your neighbors generator. In a 52' you can be pretty sure it's a diesel so at 50 feet away and if you have working CO detectors I don't see a problem. If you do then I would suggest moving your boat. We have had to really run our generator the last 2 weeks while anchored out because of the oppresive heat wave. Since I am gas powered and fairly noisy I don't raft up with others I find my own quiet spot. I also have a Low CO Kohler with up to date CO detectors and 2 alarm systems with sensors in every compartment in my boat as well as 1 CO sensor at each AC units return air duct. The genset has the Kohler smart remote that will emit a high pitched alarm, shut the generator off if it detects CO in the salon and turn on a 2nd blower under the cockpit which is my ER where the genset is.
Bill


WirelessOne,
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RWS

RO# 25075



Posted - Jul 20 2012 :  04:58:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Audrey II

I run my generator most of the day as well as the night! Two frig one ice maker two AC units I like to be comfortable.



+1

I am always considerate of my neighbors on arrival.

RWS


1983 Trojan International 10 Meter Twin Yanmar 315 Turbodiesels

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abalmuth

RO# 13885



Posted - Jul 20 2012 :  05:57:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RWS

quote:
Originally posted by Audrey II

I run my generator most of the day as well as the night! Two frig one ice maker two AC units I like to be comfortable.



+1

I am always considerate of my neighbors on arrival.

RWS

ours is on before we unplug from the dock and gets turned off after we plug back in


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until you hear them speak.........

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CurrentSea

RO# 10265



Posted - Jul 20 2012 :  06:41:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I run mine when I leave the dock but shut it down when people are swimming in the water.
Co can collect under a swim platform.


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Volvo Diesel IPS

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van lafermine

RO# 29446



Posted - Jul 20 2012 :  06:52:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Larger boats are probably diesel and should not have an issue with CO! They also have additional needs to keep the power up. I will not anchor overnight with gas boats and limit it with diesels just in case. If you are in a crowded anchorage I believe you need to expect that some boats are going to run there genny's and I would not have a problem with that!

Van
"Drifting Profits II"
4460 Regal

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knotheadcharters

RO# 19571

Posted - Jul 20 2012 :  07:02:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
From the time I leave until the time I return genny is running. I usually anchor away from others, if you decide to get close well nothing I can do about that. 50 feet is too close. I would say something about being to close, not if your genny is running.

Chris
M/V Amar la Vida

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PascalG

RO# 12212



Posted - Jul 20 2012 :  07:02:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
In many places anchoring 50 feet away would be a little close but if it is a crowded popular spot they may not have had any choice

When it s hot it s pretty normal for people to run their gennies especially on modern boats with poor ventilation.

Personally I try to be considerate to others and will try to anchor away from boats unlikely to have a genset or on a boat with two units, I will switch to the one with the exhaust away from a neighbor. But sometimes you don't have a choice

Also, most larger boats are set up to run on generator only as fridges, TV, etc are all AC powered



Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
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L. Keith

RO# 1615

Posted - Jul 20 2012 :  07:59:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
50' away should not be a CO issue, noise is another thing. Don't believe that old wharf tale that diesels don't produce CO, that is FALSE. CO is produced anytime you burn/use a carbon based fuel, IE: Diesel. Due to the efficient nature of a high compression diesel engine in burning that carbon based fuel, there is less CO produced, but the CO produced by running a diesel engine will kill you just as dead as CO produced by a gasoline powered engine.

There is a solution to the noise produced by a spit-pop-spat-pop-pop, wet exhaust. Dry exhaust run through a Hospital Grade muffler. You will only hear the sound of moving air standing as close as 5' from the exhaust stack of my 10KW generator running at full load. The blower makes more noise. You will hear nothing 10' away.

Years ago while cruising the Bahamas, sail boaters would cruise by and ask "are you guys trying to light up the Bahamas" to which we would reply, "How you guys doing on Ice". Nobody ever complained after we would give them 50 or so pounds of ice. A real commodity in an out island anchorage.






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rduhon

RO# 29321

Posted - Jul 20 2012 :  08:32:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We run ours as long as there is no CO alarm.



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Naut Home

RO# 30670

Posted - Jul 20 2012 :  08:44:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Veebyes

Protocol for me would be, if nobody else in anchorage is using a genny the newcomer should also have consideration for others & remain silent, except perhaps run it for short time cooking purposes.

Many boaters brag how quiet their gennys are. Sure they are....when you are onboard & all you hear is a low hum or the air from the AC. They don't hear the drone of the exhaust that everyone around them has to put up with.

We once had a houseboater show up in the quiet anchorage with a portable contractor type genny on the back deck. He fired it up & disappeared into the cool of the AC. Finally the thing ran out of gas & the inconsiderate bozzo came out to fill it up. Everyone applauded. He got the message, upped anchor & left.



This is the best response I got. I get the 'right of Kings' response, with the larger boats, but when you pull into an anchorage, do as others do, seems to be the best way.



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winters remedy

RO# 28820

Posted - Jul 20 2012 :  09:01:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Some larger boats have to run their genny's all night due to the electrical needs are 120 volt to their appliances.


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RWS

RO# 25075



Posted - Jul 20 2012 :  09:08:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
By the way, when I switched from the Onan 6.5 to the diesel, I added a GEN-SEP.

This device seperated the exhaust from the water, resulting in the diesel actually being quieter than the 6.5.

No more "spitting", just a smooth flow of water and a seperate smooth flow of exhaust.

it REALLY made a HUGE difference.

RWS


1983 Trojan International 10 Meter Twin Yanmar 315 Turbodiesels

Edited by - RWS on Jul 20 2012 12:29:39

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PascalG

RO# 12212



Posted - Jul 20 2012 :  09:51:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Veebyes, what is the average summer temp and wind in Bermuda?

Along most of the east and gulf coast, when you re in the 90s with little breeze, you simply have no choice. And again, most modern large boats have 0 ventilation. With our old Hatt, opening the side doors and windows, result in good air flow in a light breeze and we don't need to run the AC when anchored during during the day. At night though, the aft master is too hot from may to oct

Now, take a modern boat like the one the OP mentioned or Charmer the 70 footer I run, and even on a cool January day, the saloon gets too hot during the day...

The biggest irony is when a Sailboater complaints about a genset even though their damn wind gen is twice as loud and cover the exhaust of the diesel genset!


Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper

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RussR

RO# 12895

Posted - Jul 20 2012 :  11:21:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
AMEN on the wind generators!!! Some of them COMPLETELY drive me crazy - the frequency & constant change in pitch will give me headaches & worse. In some popular anchorages in the Bahamas, you just can't get away from them & even if you do, a new one will anchor right next to you! There are some large-bladed styles that are fine, but the common, smaller-bladed ones can be terrible. One guy with one told me that he doesn't even notice the noise anymore & said that under 15 knots, it didn't even generate any power - I asked him why then he didn't he just lash off the blades or otherwise stop the blades & he looked at me & asked why??

Russ



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Veg

RO# 20854



Posted - Jul 20 2012 :  11:51:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think everyone has a right to run their generator whenever they want, though I expect them to be polite and not be too close, and be mindful of wind direction. My pet peeve is seeing people run their gensets here when the wind is blowing the exhaust right into their cabins, or directly to an adjacent boat... It happens more often than you'd imagine on our rivers here, whenever the current is strong enough to rule over the wind in setting the direction of the boat... Bow the the current is just as common as bow to the wind.



2001 Tiara 2900 Open - "O Sole Mio" - Stillwater, MN

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oneillch

RO# 30796

Posted - Jul 20 2012 :  12:04:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
One of the nicest things about boating is, unlike a summer home, if you don't like your neighbors, you can move!

Lady C



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Veebyes

RO# 11224

Posted - Jul 20 2012 :  18:37:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To answer PascalG's question. Average night temps will be mid 80s & there will usually be little to no wind overnight. For ventilation one of those wind scoops work wonders. For overnight 120V needs an inverter & a decent battery bank keeps things nice & quiet. Practice power conservation. There is no need to have lights on if nobody is in the cabin. There is no need to have a 6 bulb circuit going when 1 will do. Bright lights attract bugs.


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Billylll

RO# 24494

Posted - Jul 20 2012 :  18:53:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have a fairly large main house bank 765AH's and 450 watts of controlled solar. A fairly large inverter but the inverter won't run a single 16,000 BTU AC unit without doing some serious discharging of the primary house bank. I designed my boat for everything but the AC units and conventional battery chargers to run off of 12VDC or the inverter which is used more as a smart dockside charger and to run the microwave oven. Even the watermaker runs off of 12VDC and draws about 1.2AH per gallon including the flush cycle. No ice maker on board though I ripped that out when I start the refit. Normally when we are anchored out it's cool enough to get by without the AC units but not the humidity. Both have been off the charts for the last 3 weeks up until last night. The humidity is still rather high but we only hit 76 degrees today.
Bill
I said it in my original post if you can't take the neighbors that's the great thing about a boat you can move it.
Bill


WirelessOne,
40 Mainship
Sedan Bridge
Little Egg, N.J.

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stmbtwle

RO# 7934

Posted - Jul 20 2012 :  18:59:05  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I don't even HAVE a generator. Before I went solar I used a Honda 1000; even as small as it was we quickly got tired of the buzzzzzzzzzzzz.



Willie. She's a tired old barge but she's paid for!

Homeport: Tampa Bay, FL Go to Top of Page

Pa Mikee

RO# 32785

Posted - Jul 20 2012 :  19:49:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by stmbtwle

I don't even HAVE a generator. Before I went solar I used a Honda 1000; even as small as it was we quickly got tired of the buzzzzzzzzzzzz.


+Ditto
I have a Yamaha 1000. 90% of its usage is when the boat is on the trailer using a 50' extention cord to get the noise maker away from the boat. While it is qiute, it still makes noise. When I use it on the boat I will angle the exhaust so that it is not pointing towards other boats.



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stmbtwle

RO# 7934

Posted - Jul 21 2012 :  04:35:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I found that setting the genset on a boat cushion helps reduce the vibration.

Willie. She's a tired old barge but she's paid for!

Homeport: Tampa Bay, FL Go to Top of Page

HOGAN

RO# 3813



Posted - Jul 21 2012 :  07:53:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I only run mine when I'm rafted up with Audrey II.

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Anchor Management

RO# 32420



Posted - Jul 21 2012 :  08:32:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HOGAN

I only run mine when I'm rafted up with Audrey II.


I have no opinion on the subject.


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Audrey II

RO# 30499



Posted - Jul 22 2012 :  07:47:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HOGAN

I only run mine when I'm rafted up with Audrey II.


What are you saying you never run your generator?


Dave

I just wish common sense was a little more common.
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caltexfla

RO# 14522



Posted - Jul 22 2012 :  11:38:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That Sea Ray was not being considerate. When it's hot, we run our generator all the time, and even if it is not, it will be run a few hours each morning and evening. So we take care to anchor away from people, with the exhaust pointed away at least at the beginning before any clocking takes place, If another boat sidles up to us (some people seemed compelled to anchor near other boats, I guess figuring that must be where the good spot is), I try to let them know the generator will be running all night.


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mixman

RO# 25362



Posted - Jul 22 2012 :  13:24:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by caltexfla

some people seemed compelled to anchor near other boats


I've noticed that too. It's somewhat puzzling. My fix has been to anchor in shallow water since we only draw 2 feet. I've seen boats run aground trying to get near me :-)


--Kurt

17 knot cruise at 5mpg (3.5/gph). Two hulls are better than one!

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rnbenton

RO# 31163



Posted - Jul 22 2012 :  13:29:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mixman

quote:
Originally posted by caltexfla

some people seemed compelled to anchor near other boats


I've noticed that too. It's somewhat puzzling. My fix has been to anchor in shallow water since we only draw 2 feet. I've seen boats run aground trying to get near me :-)



Must be your magnetic personality, Kurt.

Bob


Captain, Sea Tow Central Florida, St. Johns River

Key West 196 Bay Reef, 150 Yamaha


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mixman

RO# 25362



Posted - Jul 22 2012 :  13:45:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
C'mon, Bob. If they knew me they'd find another anchorage! :-)

--Kurt

17 knot cruise at 5mpg (3.5/gph). Two hulls are better than one!

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TimHenn

RO# 126



Posted - Jul 22 2012 :  21:43:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My boat is not designed to run without the generator running,so, I run it 7/24 when away from shore power. I've found this not to be a problem when anchoring or mooring with larger vessels that have the same requirements but it seems many people are unaware of the need for some boats to run their generators all of the time. We had someone leave us a note, written kindly, to please shut off the generator overnight...no can do.



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Pa Mikee

RO# 32785

Posted - Jul 22 2012 :  21:54:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TimHenn

My boat is not designed to run without the generator running,so, I run it 7/24 when away from shore power.

When you are anchored, what is it that must run on AC? If the genny is not running, what will be destroyed?



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Veebyes

RO# 11224

Posted - Jul 22 2012 :  22:38:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TimHenn

My boat is not designed to run without the generator running,so, I run it 7/24 when away from shore power. I've found this not to be a problem when anchoring or mooring with larger vessels that have the same requirements but it seems many people are unaware of the need for some boats to run their generators all of the time. We had someone leave us a note, written kindly, to please shut off the generator overnight...no can do.




I'd be interested in hearing why it is necessary to run the gennny 24hrs too. The boat is not that big. It must have at least a couple of 8D batterys for house power. That is enough to run small AC needs like TVs & the coffeemaker as well as lights provided you don't leave everything blazing.

You don't NEED airconditioning every night. At anchor with a boat that size a windscoop in the fwd hatch will send a blast of air through the boat. 12V fans will take care of a guest cabin.
The fridge is not going to turn into a furnace overnight. It will be just fine for 8hrs with no power provided it is not opened.

So, what else is there that needs the genny nonstop?



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Dani-Lu

RO# 19601



Posted - Jul 22 2012 :  22:55:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would think frozen food and ice maker. The larger refrigerators suck down batteries pretty quickly.

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Billylll

RO# 24494

Posted - Jul 22 2012 :  23:55:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Many 30 to 45 foot boats of the 1980 to early 2000's had 3 small batteries all group 27's and no house battery. My Mainship came from the factory this way. A household AC only refrigerator will suck dowen some serious amps in a 24 hour period.
I redesigned my entire DC system and used as many DC powered devices as possible. I still really need the generator to run Air Conditioning or heat when needed and either run a motor or the generator for hotwater showering. AC may not be needed but it helps cut down humidity which reduces the chance for mold. So while you might be comfortable on the water without AC the boat and eventually your health will suffer from mold and mildew very common with the temperature extremes a typical boat will encounter. Now if you prefer camping over being comfortable do as Veebyes suggests. I still don't care without some form of running an engine no boat can stay on a mooring for any lenght of time no matter how big the battery system is if they have no means to recharge the battery system. The larger the system the longer it takes to recharge it once you hit the safe discharge level of 50%. So unless you have a large solar array like some of us do and chain your frig shut at night good luck with that school of thought.
Bill


WirelessOne,
40 Mainship
Sedan Bridge
Little Egg, N.J.

Edited by - Billylll on Jul 23 2012 00:02:53

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mixman

RO# 25362



Posted - Jul 23 2012 :  08:45:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Billylll

Many 30 to 45 foot boats of the 1980 to early 2000's had 3 small batteries all group 27's and no house battery. My Mainship came from the factory this way. A household AC only refrigerator will suck dowen some serious amps in a 24 hour period.


These boats, I can only guess, were either designed to be used as marina hoppers or their manufacturers figured it would be cheaper to require full-time generator usage since the target market would want a generator anyway. But there are plenty, PLENTY of boats in that size range that do not need 24-7 generator operation.

quote:
So while you might be comfortable on the water without AC the boat and eventually your health will suffer from mold and mildew very common with the temperature extremes a typical boat will encounter.


That's stretching it a bit, isn't it? :-)


--Kurt

17 knot cruise at 5mpg (3.5/gph). Two hulls are better than one!

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PascalG

RO# 12212



Posted - Jul 23 2012 :  09:05:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It s amazing how many boats dont have dedicated house banks and most don't have room to install a larger bank and inverter...

But again it comes down to boating vs camping. I don't go on the boat to be uncomfortable, hot, and worry about a rainshower getting my bed wet. Yes, in mild weather natural ventilation and fans work on some boats but not year round



Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper

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In the know

RO# 20824

Posted - Jul 23 2012 :  09:25:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Naut Home

My wife and I were in a relatively crowded but quiet anchorage last weekend, and had a very nice 52 foot Searay Express park next to us around 10 am. They shut down the engines and left the generator running...until 11 that night. We were both stern tied to shore and he was about 50 feet off my port side with his genny exhaust pointed right at my boat. Is there any proper protocol to running a genny that long or to politely ask him to limit his use? Or should he be able to run it for as long as he likes. It definitely disrupted our day. We usually run ours for an hour in the morning and an hour in the evening to keep the batteries topped up. Please give me your thoughts.



Get yourself a 2-3 hour recording of a dentist drill. Blast it through your boat's stereo on repeat and go for ride in the dinghy.

The boat that was the generator problem, will modt likely be gone by the time you get back.


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Laissez-Faire

RO# 32833

Posted - Jul 23 2012 :  09:29:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
RWS, tell me more about a "Gen Sep", I am not familiar


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TimHenn

RO# 126



Posted - Jul 23 2012 :  16:35:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Pa Mikee

quote:
Originally posted by TimHenn

My boat is not designed to run without the generator running,so, I run it 7/24 when away from shore power.

When you are anchored, what is it that must run on AC? If the genny is not running, what will be destroyed?



Destroyed? Things don't work without ac power. 3 Fridges, 1 freezer, ice maker, 4 ac units, water pumps, vacu pumps, etc..... I don't have good natural ventilation and don't want salt air on the interior anyway.



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PascalG

RO# 12212



Posted - Jul 23 2012 :  16:55:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Laissez-Faire

RWS, tell me more about a "Gen Sep", I am not familiar



It s water/gas separator. Basically a muffler like box with 2 outputs. One for gases, and one for the cooling water which can be discharged near WL to avoid the splashing noise

On some boats it is sent under WL which I don't like as you can't check for flow but near WL makes the genny near silent


Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
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13' Sandbarhopper

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Veg

RO# 20854



Posted - Jul 23 2012 :  16:57:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Huh, I'm surprised to hear of boats where things like the head, water pump, fridge/freezer etc. don't work on DC power... That setup seems pretty shortsighted to me. I wouldn't want to run a genset all the time just to run those things. On boats I've owned with genset (including my current boat, before I sold the genset off), pretty much the only things that depended on it were the A/C and the microwave. Everything else was either DC or gave you the option of AC or DC.


2001 Tiara 2900 Open - "O Sole Mio" - Stillwater, MN

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PascalG

RO# 12212



Posted - Jul 23 2012 :  17:13:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Heads and pumps are almost always DC although AC water pump back up are common

There are very few large fridge or freezers running on DC so usually when you get over 45'/50' refrigeration will be AC. Obviously an inverter is good solution but rarely standard equipment


Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper

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stmbtwle

RO# 7934

Posted - Jul 23 2012 :  18:18:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
" 3 Fridges, 1 freezer, ice maker, 4 ac units, water pumps, vacu pumps, etc..... I don't have good natural ventilation and don't want salt air on the interior anyway."

Maybe it's time to sell the barge (if you can) and buy a condo.


Willie. She's a tired old barge but she's paid for!

Edited by - stmbtwle on Jul 23 2012 18:23:24

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L. Keith

RO# 1615

Posted - Jul 23 2012 :  19:27:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
That big boat doesn't have flow alarms? Any raw water cooled/heat exchanger cooled, internal combustion engine in an unmanned machinery space should have a "flow alarm" on the raw water side. Cheap insurance unless you have engineers on watch 24/7. What happens if the cooling water flow is interrupted when a solo boat operator goes to sleep? That generator drive engine will burn slap up in a hurry when the cooling water flow stops for any reason. Can't check for water flow over the side when you are asleep. You can always add a Murphy Switch pressure gauge to the cooling water system to monitor water pressure/flow and alarm when/if the pressure drops. By the time the high cooling water temperature shut down kicks in damage has already been done.


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Pa Mikee

RO# 32785

Posted - Jul 23 2012 :  20:11:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
" 3 Fridges, 1 freezer, ice maker, 4 ac units, water pumps, vacu pumps, etc....."

While I can see the need for a generator to run everything, I am not convinced that a boat that size needs AC power via a genertaor 24/7. In cooler weather must all 4 ac units need to be running at the same time for 24 hrs. If you are anchoring overnight with a full bin of ice, is it a necessity to make more ice that will not be needed.
Many boaters equate boating as being outside in the open cockpit or in the water; not confided in the cabin. Why run the air when everyone is outside enjoying themselves. It seems to me that the only things that require power are the fridge/frezer which can be run off an inverter.



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BoatCrazy

RO# 30843



Posted - Jul 23 2012 :  20:13:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Im a little late here, but I dont get the whole 50' part. I would never anchor that close to another boat. If the anchor breaks lose you have very little reaction time. Just not a safe place.



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PascalG

RO# 12212



Posted - Jul 23 2012 :  20:36:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Why run the air when everyone is outside enjoying themselves. It seems to me that the only things that require power are the fridge/frezer which can be run off an inverter."

Because it s very nice to come into a cool boat... Again some of us don't like camping :)


Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper

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