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Billylll
RO# 24494
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 Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 09:30:11
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This is the 1st time I have ever encountered a larger vessel being operated by morons. My wife and I were cruising near Little Sheepshead and Little Egg when we were being followed by a 50' Ocean. There were fisherman anchored all around us and the deep water is only about 30 to 40 yards wide. I hailed the vessel 2 times on channel 16. No answer was recieved then I motioned for them to pass on my port side eventually they were right on our a&s the went to pass us full throttle throwing a 5 to 6 foot wake. I couldn't really do anything but hold on at that point. Their wake almost went over my bow as my boat listed a good 50 degrees and the bow almost went under. To make matters worse there were at least 3 smaller center console type fishing boats that I could have hit if I lost total control. The owner of the vessel let's call him Tom owns a local marina. I e-mailed him asking at 1:05PM on 8/04/12 who was the captain of his vessel. I should have reported this to the USCG as the other boats saw this happen and I did hear someone hail the USCG with no response. I have a video of the wake and they passed within 10 to 15 feet of my boat from my rear aft cockpit camera. I also have my GPS track logged. I have to boat in the same waters as the other vessel does. I just didn't appreciate the dangerous situation this 50' Ocean put us and the other boats around us in. To add insult to injury we got the finger from about 6 to 8 guys hanging out in the cockpit of the blue Ocean (name wiotheld for now).
Really funny, NOT! Really dangerous, YES?
Bill
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WirelessOne,
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Sedan Bridge
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Homeport: Tuckerton, N.J.
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Robyns Nest
RO# 4846
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 09:32:59
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I would report the prick. See if he had a USCG captain at the helm and hold his ass to the fire.
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HOGAN
RO# 3813
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 Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 09:35:29
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+1, report him.
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rommer
RO# 12280
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 09:37:43
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I've got to agree, report him to anyone who will take a report.
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Woodsong
RO# 20095
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 09:43:57
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Absolutely report it. Irritating situation for you this time for sure but next time the "captain" of that vessel could truly hurt someone- either you or someone else in a smaller vessel.
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 09:47:34
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If his bow wave would have overtook my bow it would have spun us sideways and very close to the other small vessels.
The owner of my marina knows the guy and said he agreed after looking at the tape of the video. I rarely run the video storage device but I was installing a new TFT/LED 8" monitor and digital TV tuner and wanted to make sure it was working properly. I forgot to turn the recorder off when we left the dock and went cruising. The boat's name was Dumb and Dumber actually considering what happened I say the name is approcriate.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
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Homeport: Tuckerton, N.J.
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Harlan
RO# 15327
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 09:53:09
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Hunt the SOB down and have a little "chat" with him. :-)
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 09:56:35
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Homeport Tuckerton NJ owner Tom Jarvis. I already sent him an e-mail I hope he responds.Harlan I don't know if you remeber when I brought you in from the ICW it was where we turned to starboard a hard right and went about 20 feet off the marshy islands to our port. WalterV and CurrentSea would remember the strip where it looked like we were on land it's so skinney this would have been on the way out for them.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
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Little Egg, N.J. |
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Homeport: Tuckerton, N.J.
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pdecat
RO# 842
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 10:07:08
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I have issued a securite call to warn other boaters when something similar happened to me.
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Bruce
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Harlan
RO# 15327
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 10:22:19
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quote:
Originally posted by Billylll
Homeport Tuckerton NJ owner Tom Jarvis. I already sent him an e-mail I hope he responds.Harlan I don't know if you remeber when I brought you in from the ICW it was where we turned to starboard a hard right and went about 20 feet off the marshy islands to our port. WalterV and CurrentSea would remember the strip where it looked like we were on land it's so skinney this would have been on the way out for them.
Bill
That run is very vivid in my memory. :-)
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Robski97
RO# 7334
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 10:23:35
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Billy you cant fix stupid!!!! Some of these guys are just a$$holes!
Rob
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 10:36:40
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Originally posted by Robski97
Billy you cant fix stupid!!!! Some of these guys are just a$$holes!
Rob
Not to pile on but there wasn't anything I could do. I couldn't go futher to starboard because I would have run aground and there were 2 small center consoles still in front of me as he passed. This Ocean had a real agressive bow flair and all I could think as I tried turning into the wake was am I making this worse because that is when his wake almost buried my bow. My wife was thrown from her seat and she still isn't sure how we got out of that without grounding the boat by rolling it on it's side and or hitting another one of the smaller fishing boats. There was no reason for him to overtake me as close as he did, when he did and at the speed he did,
Totally unprofessional and getting the one finger salute's just added insult to almost injury.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
40 Mainship
Sedan Bridge
Little Egg, N.J. |
Edited by - Billylll on Aug 06 2012 22:16:11 |
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Homeport: Tuckerton, N.J.
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L. Keith
RO# 1615
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 10:56:48
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To do better you have to know better. What was your speed at the time? Why are the fishermen allowed to anchor in a narrow fairway? Did you sound your horn. Last time I checked motioning to another vessel is not an accepted way of conveying a overtaking agreement. If you feel the overtaking was unsafe remain in the center of the channel until the situation resolves itself. You Jersey guys live and die by shooting the bird, seems like you would get used to it or just expect it.
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 11:04:10
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that's pretty much typical sport fish behavior... i've seen this happen dozens of time on the ICW and 90% of the time it's a sportfish. usually from Jersey...
I always do a securite call to warn other boats. If the jerk is on 16, usually he won't do it again. I make sure to mention reckless behavior, near collision and possible drunk driver.
a few times i've hailed fast approaching asking them to slow down, but rarely got a response. conditions permitting (depths, no traffic), I've popped the boat on plane (amazing how 2800hp will launch a 70 footer!) to get out of the way and/or stay ahead till it's wide enough to move away from the wake.
another way to deal with these idiots is to hog the channel and wander around a bit... funny, i 've often spotted debris, logs or partially submerged pots when a fast SF comes up from behind :)
since you have video, i'd report it to the CG. double check your boat, are you sure an expensive piece of equipment didn't get loose and got damaged?
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 11:05:33
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I was running about 5 to 6 knots throwing no wake, it is an unmarked cut. The fishermen can and do fish there all the time. He was just in a hurry and pis&ed off at me because I wouldn;t speed up. He wouldn't repond to repeated calls in channel 16 asking his intentions. He ignored me waving him by when he was all of about 20 feet off my bow. He passed as we were just approaching 2 more CC 19 to 21 footers anchored.
Then again I'm mind reading I don't know what his intentions were L. Kieth.
What I do know is the guys in the cockpit of his boat thought it was entertaining flipping off the bird after he almost burried or rolled me.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
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Little Egg, N.J. |
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pdecat
RO# 842
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 11:17:21
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somehow the guys in the cockpit knew he was passing.
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Bruce
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 11:20:57
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Yep they hoisted their beer cans before giving us the 1 finger salute.
So L.Kieth please tell me what I did wrong other then being in the wrong spot at the right time?
Bill
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WirelessOne,
40 Mainship
Sedan Bridge
Little Egg, N.J. |
Edited by - Billylll on Aug 06 2012 11:24:40 |
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Homeport: Tuckerton, N.J.
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RWS
RO# 25075
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 12:14:51
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Sometimes don't you really wish you had a paintball gun onboard, full of bright red and yellow paintballs?
RWS
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Capt. Bill1
RO# 2017
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 12:21:54
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The guy does sound like a total A-hole. But Keith is right about the fact you could have just hogged the the center of the channel while blowing 5 long.
I would do your best to report him to as many agencies that will take it. As Pascal alluded to, your report may hold more gravitas if there was some damage or injury involved.
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 12:22:43
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5 blasts should be sounded but realistically it's useless... most boats have small horns aimed forward, a guy coming at high speed on your stern is not going to hear them between the engines, spray etc...
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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Woodsong
RO# 20095
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 12:33:52
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If I had some idiot blasting up on me in a narrow channel I don't know that I would want to play chicken with myself and loved ones aboard. Rules may be rules but better to be alive to rant about it than to be right and dead.
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 12:46:38
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Originally posted by Woodsong
If I had some idiot blasting up on me in a narrow channel I don't know that I would want to play chicken with myself and loved ones aboard. Rules may be rules but better to be alive to rant about it than to be right and dead.
Tony you nailed it I really thought about this alot since it happened and before I posted about it here in a public forum. Sometimes you do everything right or to the best of your ability and it still isn't good enough...........
Bill
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WirelessOne,
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Homeport: Tuckerton, N.J.
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jtybt15
RO# 3300
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 13:31:28
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I reported an oil tanker and a container ship running at excessive speed in SF Bay, throwing up a big wake. Both times the CG said there's no speed limit. Come to think of it,I reported a 40' boat running thru a bunch of fishing boats and nearly swamping us. The CG did nothing that time either.
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Charlie
There is much to be said, in a world like ours, for taking the world as you find it and fishing with a worm.-Bliss Perry, 1904
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dominic
RO# 2355
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 13:59:46
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Reporting a 'near' incident to the USCG with no injuries or property damage is more hearsay to them then anything else. However, having video of the event?.....now there's a situation they may be able to sink their teeth into!!!
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dominic
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L. Keith
RO# 1615
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 14:23:33
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Billie you as the vessel being overtaken have the obligation to maintain course and speed, 6 KTS or so is a safe and reasonable speed for the prevailing conditions as described. If you feel the overtaking situation is unsafe and you maintain your course and speed, thereby not giving the overtaking vessel room to overtake you, you are only following prescribed rules. When the waterway widens up or water depth increases, by all means signal via your horn or the Vhf what side you agree to as safe for the over taking and let the vessel over take you. If you have a toy horn, get rid of it and install a set of triple or quad Kahlenberg's, other vessel tend to respect the sound coming from a set of well charged air horns. Always make the proper signal, even if the other guy is clueless, the rules are the rules, you nor anyone else gets to pick and choose when the rules should be followed, that's the judges job.
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 15:15:16
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I have a pair of very "loud" (sorry guys my typing skills s&ck) horns as well as 2 canned air horns, but when he decided to pass me I moved as far over as I could without coming too close to the smaller fishing boats. I held my coarse moving as far to Starboard as possible without grounding the boat. His GPS tracks, my GPS tracks and the video doesn't show the boat name but would prove we were both there at the same time. The guy doesn't even have the decentcy to e-mail me and say your a JO go away or explain why he did what he did. He didn't just put my boat in danger the smaller fisning boats were as well. Right after it happened I circled back to see if any of the smaller boats got hurt or damaged and they all gave us a friendly wave or the thumbs up sign. What bothers me is the US Fish and Game patrol boat had to see it and did nothing. If this guy would have waited about 1/4 mile he would have been in open water where he could have overtaken me without being 10-20 feet away and I could have either stopped or turned into his wake.
Pascal you have that right I heard the boat has 1000 hp MAN diesels as in a pair. I didn't like him running up to my swim platform like he was trying to push me then backing off and doing it again, this happened 3 times before he almost rolled my boat.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
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Little Egg, N.J. |
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pdecat
RO# 842
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 15:23:00
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I didn't like him running up to my swim platform like he was trying to push me then backing off and doing it again, this happened 3 times before he almost rolled my boat.
clearly an AH
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Bruce
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L. Keith
RO# 1615
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 15:32:55
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Very "load horms" I guessing is jersey speak for "very loud horns", but never the less you elected not to use the reported available signal devices in a manner prescribed by the rules, so it really doesn't matter what the audible power of your horns "horms" are. You lost control of the situation when you changed course, you cannot hold course and move far to starboard as possible, you only do one or the other. The fact that the anchored small fishing vessels were fine after the overtaking makes it appear the wake maybe was not as bad as you describe. It is very difficult to judge wake size from an adjacent vessel. If the US Game and Fish were near by why not call on the VHF and say, "Boy, those are some really nice Hawksbill Turtles you guys have in the cockpit of that big Ocean and those ten Sturgeon look real nice too". That would have gotten the Federales attention.
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mixman
RO# 25362
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 15:55:46
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That sucks, Bill. And the fact that you know the owner and he's too much of a jerk to get back to you isn't right either. Horn signal aren't going to often work with someone who doesn't answer the VHF (plus, most people don't know what the signals mean). And when somebody is going to run you over, holding course is a tough route to take. I've been trying to come up with an action that solves these sorts of problems and may be on to something; a visible camera. Twice now I've been in situations where another vessel is doing something wrong/dangerous/stupid, and won't stop regardless of horns or radio calls. But once they see me filming them, they tend to start to behave. Of course, you have to have the time and the conditions to do such (I keep a waterproof camera on my dash). Since Pascal says calling a Sécurité tends to also help, I'd say overall embarrassment is the best form of punishment. Perhaps you need to post that video on YouTube and call the owner's attention to it.
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 16:11:40
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the guy is playing bully... he's not going to run you over! he's hoping to scare you into moving to the side so he can pass... i dont' play those games. if i suspect the guy behind is going to pass close and wake me, i certainly will not give him any room. heck, in addition to 5 blasts, i get on the VHF and say... "Sportfish following xxxx close in yyyy channel, there are debris in the water one boat length straight ahead, i have to slow and change course, please stay clear"
and i keep my hand on the engines controls ready to take action if he doens't slow down.
no time to film; between the horns, VHF, steering and engine controls, my hands are full
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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lark
RO# 26900
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 16:13:15
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So this guy was in a real hurry and obviously he thought you were delaying him, that explains the pushing your swim platform and the salute from the cockpit. Personally, when I see crazy people behind me I get out of the way. I don't know if you could have found a safer place to let him pass, but he obviously was going to pass. You have two choices get out of the way or speed up. The rule about holding your course and speed doesn't require that you endanger your vessel. I think it would have been crazy dangerous on your part to try and block him with your vessel.
Now all you can do is cool off and hope he's embarassed by your thread. No one is going to cite him. With thankfully no injuries or property damage, who in the USCG cares about this?
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Woodsong
RO# 20095
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 16:35:10
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Originally posted by PascalG
heck, in addition to 5 blasts, i get on the VHF and say... "Sportfish following xxxx close in yyyy channel, there are debris in the water one boat length straight ahead, i have to slow and change course, please stay clear"
love it- I am going to have to remember the "debris in the water" trick. Technically it is true- in situations such as that the water is full of idiots and that is kind of a form of debris that must be watched out for!
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caltexfla
RO# 14522
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 17:58:10
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I went so far as to make the normal securite call (which warns the boaters ahead of impending potential danger) a Pan Pan in one case. That got the CG's attention. When the situation is that bad, it merits the designation. The boating gods were righteous that day, a few miles down the ICW we came upon the AH pulled over by local DNR and CG and a few small boats pointing at and gesticulating towards him. My boat, given its size and the stabilizers, will take almost anything, but this dude was putting smaller vessels up on the bank.
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onthecreek
RO# 11208
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 18:09:30
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let's see the video
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Capt. Bill1
RO# 2017
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 19:10:42
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Originally posted by PascalG
5 blasts should be sounded but realistically it's useless... most boats have small horns aimed forward, a guy coming at high speed on your stern is not going to hear them between the engines, spray etc...
The point of sounding the 5 or more short blasts of the horn is not necessarily for the overtaking vessel to hear it but so others will and take notice, like the smaller fishing boats Bill mentions. And if Bill ended up in a court of law over this it would weight on his side. Note he said he was getting no replies to his VHF calls.
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The two most common elements on Earth are oxygen and stupidity.
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Homeport: Sarasota/Ft. Lauderdale
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 19:17:28
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I agree... Let me clarifymy post... I will sound the 5 blasts but knowing the guy behind is unlikely to hear them.
When I am on plane and closing in on a slower boat in a channel i ALWAYS call them on 16 as much as 1/2 mile away to let them know I am approaching and will be slowing down for a slow pass. It s just basic courtesy.
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
26' Starfish sloop
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
13' Sandbarhopper
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mdoherty
RO# 12220
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 19:27:15
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Post the video on youtube. Make sure the boat name is in the name of the video so it comes up on searches. Then let us all know so we can get the number of hits up.
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walterv
RO# 12640
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 19:36:26
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Me,
I would have cut him off and forced him out of the channel, in other words, I would have created an obstacle.Why? just to f with him. Gave me the finger, would have played more with him. Is that right, no, but I don't give a crap, I would have f with him till he cried. :)
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 19:56:31
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Pascal by him running up on the platform then backing off made me go that much slower. I had the vessels in front of me to watch they were my primary concern.
I'm not going to post any U-Tue videos because I wouldn't want that to happen to me if I had a senior moment or a beer induced lack of common sense.
I am not about antagonizing anyone on the water so that is why I didn't hog this cut by staying in the center. Remember it is not a marked channel but a well known local cut and fishing area. I moved as far to starboard as possible without grounding my boat giving him enough room to pass, but not to blast past me the way he did with total disregard for his wake and his distance from my vessel and the other smaller fishing vessels. Also I really had my hands full trying to calm my wife down and negotiate missing the small vessels after his wake started my boat rolling. All I could think of was the top heavy overloaded boat in New York the Silverton that rolled after catching a bow wake and not being properly loaded. However all I had on board was my wife and I and our normal provisions. I didn't want my wife falling out of her seat or through the Esinglass enclosure and off of the boat. The cut takes you from Lttle Egg Bay to the "LEI" inlet or you can go North towards the route 72 bridge (Manahawkin) on the ICW or South on the ICW to Great Bay. He went south on the ICW towards Great Bay where he owns a marina that happens to be on the same street as my home marina. Even though the 2 marinas are only about 3 air miles apart they are seperated by small islands, a huge shallow bay and marshes.
Well that's it for now I don't think I could have done anything different other then perhaps reporting to the USCG a boat possibly operating in an unsafe manor with a potential BUI.
Horns would have done nothing because they wouldn't return my VHF calls. All they might have done is given Dumb & Dumber a better idea and they probably had huge air horns on their boat. So at least I didn't have to deal with my boats bigger then your boat and my horn is louder then your horn what comes next my c**k's bigger then your's? I was simply out to have fun cruising on the water with my wife and not looking for trouble.
Very unprofessional is all I have to say about the Captain of the other vessel. I am not going to intentionally let any boat hit my boat causing any accident I can avoid by hogging the fairway or cut because blame is usually assigned to both parties and well that is just childish.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
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Little Egg, N.J. |
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mixman
RO# 25362
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 21:30:10
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Personally, I'd post it on YouTube as if I did something so stupid, reckless, and rude, I would expect to be called out on it.
However, Bill, since you know the owner and have his e-mail address, why don't you compress the video and send it to him to show him what a jerk he is? Let him know if he ever does that again and you witness it, you'll post it for the whole world to see.
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 22:13:08
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Originally posted by mixman
Personally, I'd post it on YouTube as if I did something so stupid, reckless, and rude, I would expect to be called out on it.
However, Bill, since you know the owner and have his e-mail address, why don't you compress the video and send it to him to show him what a jerk he is? Let him know if he ever does that again and you witness it, you'll post it for the whole world to see.
The camera does not catch the boats name Kurt only the wake and the playing leading up to it, running up to a few feet away from the swim platform. The swim platform on my boat is actually part of the hull. Look the guy is evidently a local hero and I am an outsider. It is what it is.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - Aug 06 2012 : 22:39:53
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Originally posted by lark
So this guy was in a real hurry and obviously he thought you were delaying him, that explains the pushing your swim platform and the salute from the cockpit. Personally, when I see crazy people behind me I get out of the way. I don't know if you could have found a safer place to let him pass, but he obviously was going to pass. You have two choices get out of the way or speed up. The rule about holding your course and speed doesn't require that you endanger your vessel. I think it would have been crazy dangerous on your part to try and block him with your vessel.
Now all you can do is cool off and hope he's embarassed by your thread. No one is going to cite him. With thankfully no injuries or property damage, who in the USCG cares about this?
Speeding up was not an option there were at least 20 plus boats anchored all over the place and where he did pass me he almost ran into an anchored center console that he couldn't see becxause he was too close to me the boat was in his blind spot. I couldn't move any further to starboard or port for that matter the water is extremely skinny outside of this cut, it's either you hit the island about 20 to 25 feet to starboard which is where most of the fishing boats anchor right against the island sterns out (with small stern anchors) so I could very easily swamp or damage the fidhing vesels. The fishermen really have all the right in the world to be there it's an unmarked cut very narrow in spots it's as small as 50 feet across for the most part. The opposite side of the cut and island is a rather large rock hard sandbar to port (heading East). It's tough enough with 2 cooperating vessels of any size to pass here when you add the small anchored fishing vessels. However it is a great fishing area and a safe way out to the ICW or Inlet from Little Egg Bay for larger draft boats.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
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pdecat
RO# 842
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Posted - Aug 07 2012 : 01:54:40
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Billy:
You were in a tough situation but consider that waving him to pass you might have increased your responsibility if he had run into the fishing boats.
My answer is VHF, 5 blasts then hang on.
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Posted - Aug 07 2012 : 07:01:03
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Originally posted by pdecat
Billy:
You were in a tough situation but consider that waving him to pass you might have increased your responsibility if he had run into the fishing boats.
My answer is VHF, 5 blasts then hang on.
The 1 wave was out of frustration, that was after repeated radio calls on channel 16. I won't wave anyone again. The horn would be a joke other then warning the smaller boats. He would have never heard the horns I was in front of him and between his motors and mine I doubt he would have heard them. But I agree no waving from this point forward.
As far as moving to starboard it was a gentle move that started early on but he was so close as he start to overtake my vessel the sides were pelted by the water from his bow. I actually thought he was going to hit me or I should say I might have hit him as my boat started to get pulled into the crown of his wake. This was not a good situation to be in.
There was almost no manuvering room other smaller vessels were in the immediate area and a Captain he&l bent on rocking my boat at a minimum.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
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Edited by - Billylll on Aug 07 2012 07:43:28 |
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pdecat
RO# 842
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Posted - Aug 07 2012 : 07:32:58
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What I learned from this thread is that AHs can behave as they want with no consequences.
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - Aug 07 2012 : 07:56:54
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Well I just reviewed the video the entire episode took less then 2 minutes and 40 seconds. Not a lot of time when my primary responsability was the boats I was approaching not some jerk clearly coming up from the rear with no communications. It ruined my day because after it happened I turned around and tied up at my marina.
Lessons learned no hand signals even when radio communications failed, the use of my horns would have at least prepared the small fishing vessels in front of me (although they might have thought I wanted them to get out of the way creating more confusion).
Don't let AH's ruin your day on the water.
The main reason my day was ruined is my wife was shaking like a leaf she really thought our vessel was going to roll or lay over on it's side. Looking at the violent camera swings while he was passing revealed she wasn't too far off with her concerns.
Cleaning up the mess inside the boat from the wake was a PIA many of the interior cabinets contents were on the floor.
That's pretty much it, time to move on and forward.
Bill
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rawidman
RO# 25110
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Posted - Aug 07 2012 : 08:07:08
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Originally posted by Billylll
..... This is the 1st time I have ever encountered a larger vessel being operated by morons. ......
I guess you haven't done much boating!
Morons buy boats. The bigger the moron, the bigger the boat. I had much the same experience as you did but in SC, near Hilton Head. It seems the thought is, if I can afford a larger boat than you, I have priority and anyone else should stay out of my way.
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rawidman
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Posted - Aug 07 2012 : 08:10:41
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Originally posted by PascalG
that's pretty much typical sport fish behavior... i've seen this happen dozens of time on the ICW and 90% of the time it's a sportfish. usually from Jersey...
I'm not sure about the Jersey part, but you're right about the sportfish. They seem to be on a mission and everyone else better get out of their way. I've been nearly run down by a couple.
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another way to deal with these idiots is to hog the channel and wander around a bit... funny, i 've often spotted debris, logs or partially submerged pots when a fast SF comes up from behind :)
I like it.
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since you have video, i'd report it to the CG. double check your boat, are you sure an expensive piece of equipment didn't get loose and got damaged?
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rawidman
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Posted - Aug 07 2012 : 08:15:41
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Originally posted by Billylll
[br...... The horn would be a joke other then warning the smaller boats. He would have never heard the horns I was in front of him and between his motors and mine I doubt he would have heard them. ......
In addition to the loud dual trumpet forward facing horns I installed on my boat, I have a hand held "canned air" horn in a holster within reach at the helm. The advantage of the hand held horn is that it's very loud and you can point it in the direction of the person you want to communicate with.
In this case, you could have pointed the horn directly at the boat behind you and gotten his attention (and everyone else's as well).
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Posted - Aug 07 2012 : 08:16:06
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Billie, you do not have the luxury of deciding when and if the rules should be followed. A direct quote from Farwell's Rules of the Nautical Road "The obligation to signal is plain, whether the other vessel is ahead, abeam, or astern, and whether she is a 350-meter tanker with a whistle or a 10-meter sailing vessel without one." That quote comes from a case decided in 1927, so that is long standing law.
Rule 34 (Inland) is very clear on the subject of sound and light signals. By law your sound producing device must be audible for a distance of One (1) nautical mile. (From your description the other vessel was in sight and within one (1) nautical mile of your vessel) Rule 35 Inland) states when "vessels are in sight of one another" the power-driven vessel about to be overtaken shall, if in agreement, sound a similar sound signal. IF IN DOUBT SHE SHALL SOUND THE DANGER SIGNAL PRESCRIBED IN PARAGRAPH (d). The fact that there was NO contact on VHF accents the further need to sound the required signal as part (h) of Rule 34 (Inland) states, If agreement is not reached (on VHF), then whistle signals SHALL be exchanged in a timely manner and shall prevail.
Just because the other guy is clueless does not mean you have to sink to his level and act clueless by not following the rules.
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Veg
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Posted - Aug 07 2012 : 08:18:57
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Bill, you may feel like it's time to move on but that would be too bad. I'd report him insistently until somebody at least looks at it. This guy should at least have to deal with you nagging him for a while and the possibility of some consequence, even if that is just time wasted answering to you. I don't think it's good to let these things just go, he might kill someone next time. In fact, I'd be looking really closely at my boat and everything inside my boat... Are you sure nothing got damaged? I'd look hard to find something damaged or broken LOL
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