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Rorschach
RO# 27723
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 Posted - Aug 13 2012 : 07:12:45
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I know this is strange, but it has happened to me many times and wondering if this ever happens to anyone else.
I have a Northstar 6000i GPS (with the latest software version) and a Garmin 478 handheld as a backup. Both of these units consistently lose GPS signal in the Quogue canal between Westhampton and Shinnecock, and generally do not come back or if they do continue to be very spotty for the rest of the trip.
They don't lose signal at the same moment, but pretty close.
Anyone have this happen? I realize this could be two different types of failures - maybe antennae on the 6000i and software on the Garmin. But the similarity in location of the failure is confusing to me.
I was planning to upgrade to a new GPS, but I could not handle it if I bought new equipment and had the same problem.
If any of you have heard of something similar I would appreciate it.
Thanks -
Vic
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2007 Meridian 391
Cummins QSB5.9 380 Diesels
'Time Well Wasted' |
Homeport: Aquebogue, NY
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Perry
RO# 3836
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Posted - Aug 13 2012 : 18:45:49
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Vic, was this Saturday? I was driving thru the area (Quogue) and my car unit couldn't get a signal. Worked as soon as i got back closer to montauk highway. Sometimes power cycling a device helps restore it to working mode once the unit continually loses signal.
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Homeport: Shinnecock
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Aug 13 2012 : 18:48:22
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UFO was spotted over Bellmore, perhaps it was blocking the satallite
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2009 Regal 4080
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Homeport: Anchorage YC - Lindenhurst, NY
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JimPend
RO# 5022
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Posted - Aug 13 2012 : 19:15:53
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Oh no, it works all the time, you don't need charts. Hope you have charts but many bad boaters don't.
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Homeport: Port Clinton, OH
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Rorschach
RO# 27723
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Posted - Aug 14 2012 : 03:18:01
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The last trip was this past Thursday and Sunday on my trip to Greenport and it happened to me in both directions. I have seen this issue for a couple of seasons now. Powering the units on and off does not help.
Yes I have charts and I was not worried about winding up in Bermuda but the equipment failure is still troubling.
Ok I had read of some possible causes like interference from security systems or satellite horizon issues but if no one else experiences these failures I assume it is just my gear.
Thanks all
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2007 Meridian 391
Cummins QSB5.9 380 Diesels
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Homeport: Aquebogue, NY
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Perry
RO# 3836
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Posted - Aug 14 2012 : 05:14:40
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I have the same unit as you and will traverse the area to see if it happens to mine. I did have an issue trying to find a crossing bridge in Quogue on Saturday. My car GPS unit wouldn't work. I chalked it up to the strom that just passed.
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Homeport: Shinnecock
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Aug 14 2012 : 06:54:41
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I had equip failure at beginning of season.
That led me to look for a alternate GPS system (yes I have charts on board)
If you haven't looked into the IPAD nav system as a alternate you should.
For About $550 you get a great alternate system that will do more than just be a GPS and is alot more accurate that any GPS you will have on your boat. The other great part is it is a IPAD, so you can easily take it anywhere, plot your course, then use on the boat. Plus surf internet, play games, email, etc. Can't do that with any Garmin or Rayjunk!
If anyone wants more info, ask me, or I can start a seperate thread.
As I said, I am very happy with the setup and it is now my primary plotter.
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Homeport: Anchorage YC - Lindenhurst, NY
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - Aug 14 2012 : 07:11:18
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The USCG and the Military were testing the GPS system this past weekend. I'll try and look up the NTM. I know the USCG was encouraging boaters that lost signal during the test period to report the area and duration of the loss. I believe it was for this past weekend somewhere north of New Jersey.
Unless this happens everytime you travel in this area it was probably the testing done by the military.
As far as MFD's not working when they lose GPS mine still works bringing up charts because it will switch to the position sensor it gives a low accuracy warning. I can also bring the charts up as needed by manually panning the display.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
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Sedan Bridge
Little Egg, N.J. |
Edited by - Billylll on Aug 14 2012 07:15:56 |
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Homeport: Tuckerton, N.J.
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - Aug 14 2012 : 07:13:53
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Dave I'm not a fan of i-Pads for anything other then backup navigation the displays on our i-Pads even turned all the way up are very poor in direct sunlight. Also mine required the Bad Elf GPS add on. There is no way a IPad based GPS system can be better then a good MFD system that uses WAAS, GPS and a heading sensor. Unless the IPad is fed off of the vessels position sensor as well. This requires a WiFi to NMEA0183 or NMEA2000 converter and an expensive magnetic position sensor (about $800 to $2k). I have the original i-Pads with WiFi or BlueTooth only.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
40 Mainship
Sedan Bridge
Little Egg, N.J. |
Edited by - Billylll on Aug 14 2012 07:25:39 |
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Homeport: Tuckerton, N.J.
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Aug 14 2012 : 07:24:35
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I don't have direct sunlight on my bridge.
Mine is easier to see as I bought a suction cup stand to sit up on dash.
It's easier to see than my raymarine which is mounted in the dash.
Easier to use because it's touchscreen where as raymarine I gotta fumble with buttons and arrows to move around map.
In my view, the whole ease of use blows it away.
I use the external XGPS150 but again, the accuracy is bar none better than my raymarine.
Plus like I said, I can plot anywhere.
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2009 Regal 4080
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Homeport: Anchorage YC - Lindenhurst, NY
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - Aug 14 2012 : 07:30:40
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I'm not a Raymarine fan either Dave, I use Garmin MFD's (redundant everything) and as long as I keep the charts and firmware updated which can be done easily with Garmins my devices web loader there should be no advantage only accuracy disadvantages using the IPad unless it is tied to a position sensor then it would be equivelant. I have sunlight problems at my helm so the IPads are more or less used to monitor the NMEA2000 buss or they can be used for navigation.
Bill
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WirelessOne,
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Little Egg, N.J. |
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Homeport: Tuckerton, N.J.
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Rorschach
RO# 27723
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Posted - Aug 14 2012 : 09:23:28
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Thanks guys actually I did wind up failing over to my iPad as a third backup - worked great, but I still can't get comfortable with it as my primary. A great device for the boat.
Bill - thanks a lot for the miliary testing reference - that is interesting. The problem does happen pretty much every time I traverse the area which is a few times a year. To me I think it feels like a run time issue - by the time I get to that area I have had the GPS on for an hour or so.
My Northstar setup is pretty dated, so I am planning to upgrade to a Raymarine e125 and HD radar. I just hope I don't have issues on the new system -
Vic
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2007 Meridian 391
Cummins QSB5.9 380 Diesels
'Time Well Wasted' |
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Homeport: Aquebogue, NY
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Doral 310
RO# 13068
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Posted - Aug 14 2012 : 09:53:53
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I doubt is was your equipment. The same thing happened to us on July 13th on our way to Greenport. We lost our signal after the last 5mph zone heading east and did not get the signal back until I was in the Peconic. I have a Northstar also. This has also happened in the same area a few years back. Very strange.
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Homeport: Seaford NY
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Radiowaves
RO# 14642
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Posted - Aug 14 2012 : 10:01:26
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I have the iNavX for the ipad and also the AyeTides Xl tides add-on, works great. But I use my Raymarine C70 and by Garmin 2006 for real navigation. Its nice to have the ipad for a third GPS backup. And so far it is spot on.
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Homeport: Brightwaters / Babylon, NY
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signature27
RO# 31597
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Posted - Aug 14 2012 : 12:23:51
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Dave,
I would be interested in further information on your setup. I have both Iphones & Ipads, and recently have used my Iphone's GPS with the Marina Life APP. I found it to be spot on, and much nicer than my Garmin.. the charts are also more up to date..
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Homeport: Patchogue, NY
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Aug 14 2012 : 12:45:04
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It's very simple.
First you need a ipad. Wifi model, you don't need 3G.
Second you need nav software. I use INAVX. Some like Navionics which is good too. Depends on whether you like raster or vector charts. Download it from Itunes app store.
Third you need the Dual Electronics XGPS150. Available from Amazon or buy.com $99 is usual cost.
Fourth download the Dual Electronics APP too.
Fifth optional is the suction cup stand from Ebay for $8.
Connect the XGPS150 to the ipad via bluetooth.
It will show your exact location on the chart.
Oh, also the first time you go to use it, connect to internet and download your charts. This way when at boat if you don't have internet you will have the charts.
Works really good.
I also have a cigg lighter charger with 2 usb so I can charge both devices while running for long runs.
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Homeport: Anchorage YC - Lindenhurst, NY
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Radiowaves
RO# 14642
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Posted - Aug 14 2012 : 14:44:14
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quote:
Originally posted by CurrentSea
It's very simple.
First you need a ipad. Wifi model, you don't need 3G.
Second you need nav software. I use INAVX. Some like Navionics which is good too. Depends on whether you like raster or vector charts. Download it from Itunes app store.
Third you need the Dual Electronics XGPS150. Available from Amazon or buy.com $99 is usual cost.
Fourth download the Dual Electronics APP too.
Fifth optional is the suction cup stand from Ebay for $8.
Connect the XGPS150 to the ipad via bluetooth.
It will show your exact location on the chart.
Oh, also the first time you go to use it, connect to internet and download your charts. This way when at boat if you don't have internet you will have the charts.
Works really good.
I also have a cigg lighter charger with 2 usb so I can charge both devices while running for long runs.
I was given a Bad Elf GPS for my iPad2 so I am using that with my iNAVX, but it seems to work without it also.
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Homeport: Brightwaters / Babylon, NY
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Aug 14 2012 : 14:57:10
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I just looked at bad elf.
The XGPS150 is a puck that sits on dash, I think it gets a better view of sky than elf as it can be on dash when you are in cabin.
Price point is the same.
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Homeport: Anchorage YC - Lindenhurst, NY
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Radiowaves
RO# 14642
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Posted - Aug 14 2012 : 19:11:00
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quote:
Originally posted by CurrentSea
I just looked at bad elf.
The XGPS150 is a puck that sits on dash, I think it gets a better view of sky than elf as it can be on dash when you are in cabin.
Price point is the same.
Bad Elf now has the new version somewhat like the XGPS150, but mine was a gift so good for now. If I were not selling the boat, maybe a change / upgrade.
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Homeport: Brightwaters / Babylon, NY
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BillyK
RO# 24466
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Posted - Aug 14 2012 : 20:02:21
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My grandfather is rolling over in his grave.
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Homeport: Patchogue, N.Y.
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BillyK
RO# 24466
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Posted - Aug 14 2012 : 20:07:45
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I learned to chart courses, know tides, watch wind direction and speed, and follow a compass from my grandfather and father in the sixty's.
Now a bad elf is doing all that.
Just worried
Billy 10K.
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Homeport: Patchogue, N.Y.
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JohnC
RO# 204
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Posted - Aug 14 2012 : 21:30:12
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Driving out to the boat in Montauk every weekend there are certain sections in the Hamptons where I lose the XM radio signal where there are no noticable obstructions which seems odd. Was thinking about it this weekend if there's something interfering with the signal out there and you guys are talking about losing GPS signals also. Kind of strange.
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Homeport: Long Island, New York
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Aug 15 2012 : 06:47:44
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GPS, radio, and cell phones always lose signal at intersection of sunken meadow and LIE.
I think there are just dead spots or places where something else inteferes with it.
It's probably those titan missle silos they have!
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2009 Regal 4080
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Homeport: Anchorage YC - Lindenhurst, NY
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Dani-Lu
RO# 19601
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Posted - Aug 15 2012 : 09:57:16
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Maybe there is an evil rich guy in the Hamptons that is jamming the signals so his enemies can not launch a GPS guided Missile at his dwelling.
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Homeport: Lindenhurst, NY
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Perry
RO# 3836
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Posted - Aug 20 2012 : 12:35:32
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So, went thru the area and sure enough...the GPS went out.I have a 6100i that works flawlessly every place else. I also drove thru the area on my way home and found that the GPS was not working between Dune Road (Quogue) and Montauk Highway.
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Homeport: Shinnecock
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Rorschach
RO# 27723
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Posted - Aug 20 2012 : 12:50:25
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quote:
Originally posted by Perry
So, went thru the area and sure enough...the GPS went out.I have a 6100i that works flawlessly every place else. I also drove thru the area on my way home and found that the GPS was not working between Dune Road (Quogue) and Montauk Highway.
Thanks Perry. I just upgraded my GPS to a Raymarine e125 so I'll let you know if I have the same problem when I go through this Thursday on my way to Mystic.
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2007 Meridian 391
Cummins QSB5.9 380 Diesels
'Time Well Wasted' |
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Homeport: Aquebogue, NY
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Rorschach
RO# 27723
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Posted - Sep 01 2012 : 05:11:14
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The plot thickens.
So I left Eastport at about 7:00am on Thursday, August 23rd with my Raymarine e125 and go to Mystic, CT. No problems with the GPS at all (I had left my backup Garmin off for that trip). From there went to Newport, had both GPS on, again no problems.
Yesterday I came back from Newport and again came back along the Quogue canal. First my Garmin loses signal east of Westhampton, sometimes able to require after a while, but always losing signal again, same as before.
But as I approached the Beach lane bridge my new GPS starts losing a fix, but reacquires almost immediately. Does this a number of times as I proceed West. The Garmin doing roughly the same, just not requiring nearly as quickly. Around Easport at the end of my trip my Raymarine would not reaquire.
I have no idea why 3 different GPS would have problems in this area. The 125 seems to cope the best, requiring a fix quickly, but even that unit was affected. I also find it odd I did not have a problem early in the morning on Thursday, but did on the afternoon on Friday. It really does feel like an interference problem but I have no idea what could cause an issue over so wide an area.
Vic
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2007 Meridian 391
Cummins QSB5.9 380 Diesels
'Time Well Wasted' |
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Homeport: Aquebogue, NY
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CurrentSea
RO# 10265
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Posted - Sep 01 2012 : 08:53:53
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Obviously a dead spot.
http://rschilling.wordpress.com/category/gps/
Next time you go thru put it on satellite acquisition page and see if you have 4 satellites.
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2009 Regal 4080
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Edited by - CurrentSea on Sep 01 2012 10:06:55 |
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Homeport: Anchorage YC - Lindenhurst, NY
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Rorschach
RO# 27723
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Posted - Sep 02 2012 : 05:27:57
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Thanks Dave interesting link. I will start paying attention to that page and see if I can see a pattern.
Vic
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2007 Meridian 391
Cummins QSB5.9 380 Diesels
'Time Well Wasted' |
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Homeport: Aquebogue, NY
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Lost GPS signal in Westhampton/Quogue Canal area?
