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Audrey II

RO# 30499



Posted - Sep 01 2016 :  21:20:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm not sure the newer years models have the cabinet?

Dave

“Time you enjoyed wasting is not wasted time.” – T.S. Elliotcommon.
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1996 440 Trojan Express

Homeport: Haverstraw, NY Go to Top of Page

Johnfrmcal

RO# 33857



Posted - Jan 16 2017 :  17:13:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Folks, not much activity on the board lately, hope there's some folks around who can help me with my question...

Underneath the power vent lid in front of the windshield, there is a "trough" of sorts. It doesn't appear to me to have any function to speak of, but when it rains, especially if it rains heavily, that trough fills up with water. If it fills up enough, it will eventually overflow the "edge" of the trough and spill into the flat dashboard area where the salon hatch is. I found out the hard way because we had some storms of historic proportion last week and that trough overflowed and I had the salon hatch slightly open for ventilation, and that water spilled into my carpet in the salon and made a wet mess.

My question is, either that trough is not supposed to be filling up with water and I need to find out how it's getting in, or that trough has a drain hole somewhere that is plugged with dirt and mud (I can see dirt buildup in each corner, port and starboard). My questions are:
Does yours ever fill up with water?
Do you know if there's a drain hole in there, and if so, exactly where it is?

Thanks for your help!



Every Weekend's a Vacation

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Cam

RO# 1558



Posted - Jan 17 2017 :  07:26:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You should also post this in the Ask The Captain forum. It would have a better chance of being answered there.

" If you think nobody cares, try missing a few payments " (author unknown)

Homeport: Bentley Yacht Club- Staten Island, NY Go to Top of Page

Audrey II

RO# 30499



Posted - Jan 17 2017 :  07:54:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"You should also post this in the Ask The Captain forum. It would have a better chance of being answered there."

Not likely, anyone that can answer this will read this post. I do get so water in thru the vent in a heavy rain but I feel like there is a drain in the corners if it wasn't Winter I would check for you but the boat is wrapped and hard to access at this time. I do know the water should travel down the sides and out the drains near the helm. This are is a pain to keep clean bugs love to go there and die in the hot sun.

What year is your boat?


Dave

“Time you enjoyed wasting is not wasted time.” – T.S. Elliotcommon.
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1996 440 Trojan Express

Homeport: Haverstraw, NY Go to Top of Page

mikebrookins

RO# 19542



Posted - Jan 17 2017 :  08:23:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Johnfrmcal,

There is a drain that should be draining the water out of vent area. My hardtop was designed to drain into that area. If I remember correctly, there should be one on each side. I attempted to trace mine and could not find where they wound up because it had to go behind the headliner and I assumed into the bilge somewhere. If you disconnect the power opener, the vent will open a little more to help you find and clean the drain holes.

Good luck!


Mike Brookins

Great Lakes Cruising Club Port Captain for Kelleys Island, Ohio
2003 Maverick 17 HPX-V
1994 Sea Ray 370 "Brook, Line & Sinker"
2006 34 Pursuit "Troublemaker"
Favorite Quote: "Don't Give Up The Ship" - Captain James Lawrence and Commodore Oliver Hazard Perry

Homeport: Lake Erie Islands, Ohio / Palm City, FL Go to Top of Page

Audrey II

RO# 30499



Posted - Jan 17 2017 :  20:28:33  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was pretty sure there was a drain on each side as well I would assume the run into the side of the boat and end the same place the side drains near the helm window drains go.

Dave

“Time you enjoyed wasting is not wasted time.” – T.S. Elliotcommon.
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1996 440 Trojan Express

Homeport: Haverstraw, NY Go to Top of Page

jmeirhofer

RO# 30972



Posted - Jan 18 2017 :  23:55:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you go through the images from my blog you will find one with the through hull listed. I am almost positive it only drains to the port side. http://trojan440.blogspot.com/p/owners-manual.html

And agee with Dave. Anyone that can answer a Trojan Express question is going to see it here before anywhere else. Maybe on the entire web.


John
1997 Trojan 440 Express

"Son, I've got a very low bull$*%t tolerance" -- Pancho Carter

Homeport: Patch of Dirt in Pasadena, MD Go to Top of Page

jmeirhofer

RO# 30972



Posted - Jan 18 2017 :  23:56:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
FYI, those two helm drains just drain to the trough by your engine vents and those drain through the hull. :)

John
1997 Trojan 440 Express

"Son, I've got a very low bull$*%t tolerance" -- Pancho Carter

Homeport: Patch of Dirt in Pasadena, MD Go to Top of Page

Johnfrmcal

RO# 33857



Posted - Jan 19 2017 :  16:02:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I would be popping the cover off and cleaning the drains out this weekend but we are gonna get hammered with rain for the next several days. Dave, mine's a '98. The good news about all this rain is we just got all new canvas and I've been able to see how it performs and I've got the radar arch water thing beat. No more water in the cockpit. I went with Seamark on the top of the boat and regular Sunbrella for all the sides. I went with tracks on the front and rear of the radar arch, as well as the back side of the radar arch sides. I'm pretty happy that the water intrusion is solved because we put in all new upholstery last spring and that included remaking all of the seating structure in the rear cocktail seating since the water getting in from the radar arch ruined it after all those years.

Every Weekend's a Vacation

Homeport: Discovery Bay, CA Go to Top of Page

odvar

RO# 32463



Posted - Jan 25 2017 :  13:26:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I had a new top made last year, off white this time, love it, only use it in the summer when we stay on the boat for 3 months. I always had tracks on the arch, no leaks, this time the canvas guy talked me into tracks/slides for the aft hard plastic windows, works perfect! can slide one or 2 over the third one to open up or easy slide them off and store them on a shelf I made under the garage lid, totally out of the way.I also have just one bow, split in the middle, for the front canvas so I can take everything down in no time.

Odvar
H2OFFICE

2000 TROJAN 440 EXPRESS

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HOGAN

RO# 3813



Posted - Jan 26 2017 :  10:40:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Can you guys post pix of your new canvas and the tracks? I need to get mine done and the constant leaking from the arch being tilted forward is driving me crazy.

Does water still pool up on the arch? I have tilted mine back a bit with spacers, but need to add a few more before it will run off the back, instead of pooling up.


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1999 Trojan 440 Express
2005 Scout 175 Sportfish

MMSI# 338049724




Surly to bed, surly to rise...

Homeport: Haverstraw Marina, Haverstraw, NY Go to Top of Page

Johnfrmcal

RO# 33857



Posted - Jan 26 2017 :  14:00:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I will get some pics tomorrow and post them up. Water doesn't really "pool" on my arch, but then again I didn't shim mine so I guess the water just runs off the front. In any event, the water intrusion is solved. We had 45mph winds all night on Saturday with non-stop rain. Bone dry in the cockpit.

Every Weekend's a Vacation

Homeport: Discovery Bay, CA Go to Top of Page

HOGAN

RO# 3813



Posted - Jan 26 2017 :  15:52:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So, does your canvas run under the arch?

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1999 Trojan 440 Express
2005 Scout 175 Sportfish

MMSI# 338049724




Surly to bed, surly to rise...

Homeport: Haverstraw Marina, Haverstraw, NY Go to Top of Page

Johnfrmcal

RO# 33857



Posted - Jan 26 2017 :  16:20:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No the front bimini runs to a rail that is the entire length and is directly in the center (vertically) of the leading edge of the radar arch, and then the rear bimini (top of the camper canvas) runs to the exact same type of rail on the trailing edge of the radar arch. So basically, it doesn't run over or under the radar arch, each half runs TO the radar arch. I'll post pics.

Every Weekend's a Vacation

Homeport: Discovery Bay, CA Go to Top of Page

Johnfrmcal

RO# 33857



Posted - Feb 10 2017 :  16:03:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here are the pics of the canvas. Sorry it took so long. I took these pictures this morning, after another pretty wicked rain storm last night. We've been getting plenty of these lately, and the inside of the boat is dry as a bone. Not a drop anywhere. I'm really happy with it.

Here's a general shot to show how all the panels come together at the radar arch.


Here are some close-ups around the ends of the radar arch and you can see the tracks that the canvas slides into on the radar arch. The tracks are caulked and there are some small beads of caulking around the radar arch ends just for good measure. I'm not sure they are entirely necessary at the radar arch ends, but I can see some small gaps where I would probably be getting some rain drops inside if it weren't caulked. But I don't think it would be anything like it was before even if it wasn't caulked...my countertop used to fill up and overflow with water and the Port side cocktail seating used to get drenched. Hope this helps.


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Every Weekend's a Vacation

Edited by - Johnfrmcal on Feb 10 2017 16:07:09

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oregonparts

RO# 33629



Posted - Feb 13 2017 :  22:30:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have noticed they use a different wing on the later Trojans. My neighbors is a 99 and his wing is thicker and tilts the opposite direction than mine and gives him a problem with water that mine does not have.

Todd

"Just Another Day In The Junk Yard Of Life"

2001 440 Trojan Express
1994 Sea Ray 400 EC
2008 GTX Sea-Doo

Homeport: Oregon Go to Top of Page

Johnfrmcal

RO# 33857



Posted - Feb 14 2017 :  01:14:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Also, to revisit a comment that John M made back in 2013, I had all my hatches opened up this past weekend and my waste tank is as he said his was…by measurement, it's 55 gallons. I measured it as 40" x 16" x 20". Plus the fact that it has Sealand 4055 stamped into it pretty much confirms it's 55 gallons. We've never filled it up but it would be nice if it had the 88 or 100 that the manual says it should have.

Every Weekend's a Vacation

Homeport: Discovery Bay, CA Go to Top of Page

Audrey II

RO# 30499



Posted - Feb 14 2017 :  10:29:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have two 55 gallon tanks each bathroom has it's own tank they are not connected but they both pump out the same pump out with the use of a Y valve.
You may be able to piggy back a second second tank to add capacity to the existing tank.



Dave

“Time you enjoyed wasting is not wasted time.” – T.S. Elliotcommon.
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1996 440 Trojan Express

Homeport: Haverstraw, NY Go to Top of Page

Johnfrmcal

RO# 33857



Posted - Feb 14 2017 :  18:03:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I do have extra room in the holding tank compartment. I'm guessing I easily have another foot or more. I could easily go to 70 gallons just by replacing the tank. We haven't really come close to filling it up yet...even during Fleet Week last year, we had the two of us on the boat for 7 days, and then for 4 additional days we had 4 on the boat. I really can't imagine needing 100 gallons but hey, more is better. Especially when it involves poop LOL.

Every Weekend's a Vacation

Homeport: Discovery Bay, CA Go to Top of Page

Audrey II

RO# 30499



Posted - Feb 14 2017 :  22:49:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I believe you can fit an 88 or so gallon I somehow recall that is what most have at least in this ball park. I'm the odd ball with two 55s. I also have two 55 water tanks the flank the center line and have a leveler hose to keep them even. I believe you have both water and waste in the center and storage on the sides.

Dave

“Time you enjoyed wasting is not wasted time.” – T.S. Elliotcommon.
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1996 440 Trojan Express

Homeport: Haverstraw, NY Go to Top of Page

HOGAN

RO# 3813



Posted - Feb 21 2017 :  09:32:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the pix. My canvas attaches to a track on the top of the front of the arch, and water pools up behind it. Mine is the later year, with the thicker wing arch. They finally wised up and got rid of the wing-tips and went with a rounded arch. Mine also tilts forward when at the dock. I added a couple of spacers, which helped but I need more to tilt it backward. Then I'll have to tilt my radar forward to compensate.

My waste tank is centerline under the salon floor, it holds 88 gallons. I opened up the space under the floor on the starboard side, and have tons of storage down there now.


_________________________


1999 Trojan 440 Express
2005 Scout 175 Sportfish

MMSI# 338049724




Surly to bed, surly to rise...

Homeport: Haverstraw Marina, Haverstraw, NY Go to Top of Page

Johnfrmcal

RO# 33857



Posted - Feb 22 2017 :  01:19:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If you ever get the chance to measure the 88 gallon tank I'd love to know the measurements...

Every Weekend's a Vacation

Homeport: Discovery Bay, CA Go to Top of Page

Watermark

RO# 33906

Posted - Jun 15 2017 :  18:37:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looking for a recommendation on windshield replacement please.

The two main panels of the windshield were broken at some point before I bought the boat. They were replaced with Lexan or some type of plexiglass. They are now checked and cracked and need to be replaced. Also, the seals need to be replaced as well. Any suggestions as to where to get replacement glass or plexi and the window seals?

Thank you!


Mike
1997 Trojan 440 Express
Ventura, CA

Homeport: Ventura, CA Go to Top of Page

WALSHIE

RO# 2124



Posted - Jun 16 2017 :  09:34:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Are the window panels flat?

I needed to replace a window after Sandy and was quoted 2,000 for new.
I called a local glass guy, he needed me to take the whole window frame out and bring to him.
He then made a template, matched the tint and sent it out to a glass distributor that makes the safety glass.

Cost less than $250.

If you can provide a template or the whole windshield, perhaps someone can do the same for you.


Favorite Quote: Don't sweat the petty things...AND...Don't pet the sweaty things!! - Steven Tyler

Homeport: Hudson River Go to Top of Page

Watermark

RO# 33906

Posted - Jun 20 2017 :  03:53:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The two windshield pieces that need to be replaced are about 48" x 54". The edges are curved and it has a slight bow to it.

Mike
1997 Trojan 440 Express
Ventura, CA

Homeport: Ventura, CA Go to Top of Page

aenglebert1

RO# 33987

Posted - Aug 08 2017 :  09:32:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
HI Johnfrmcal

I am new to the forum. Bought my 1999 44 Tojan Express last year, Love it! I have the same leaking issue around the arch. I want to make some canvas modifications like yours but now can't see your pics. Is there any way to make a change to view them?


Austin Englebert

Homeport: AL Go to Top of Page

Audrey II

RO# 30499



Posted - Aug 08 2017 :  21:26:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Welcome to the club! The leak has been an issue for many my original top was terrible my current top is great it took a few attempts but they got it right. Best of luck with the new boat!

Dave

“Time you enjoyed wasting is not wasted time.” – T.S. Elliotcommon.
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1996 440 Trojan Express

Homeport: Haverstraw, NY Go to Top of Page

HOGAN

RO# 3813



Posted - Aug 09 2017 :  09:43:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by aenglebert1

HI Johnfrmcal

I am new to the forum. Bought my 1999 44 Tojan Express last year, Love it! I have the same leaking issue around the arch. I want to make some canvas modifications like yours but now can't see your pics. Is there any way to make a change to view them?



The problem is poor design. The arch tilts forward when the boat is at rest, so the water pools up against the canvas and drips through the arch. I have tilted mine back a little and it improved the problem. This winter, I will tilt it back so that all the water runs off the back, then get a new canvas because the old one won't fit with it tilted back more.


_________________________


1999 Trojan 440 Express
2005 Scout 175 Sportfish

MMSI# 338049724




Surly to bed, surly to rise...

Homeport: Haverstraw Marina, Haverstraw, NY Go to Top of Page

Audrey II

RO# 30499



Posted - Aug 09 2017 :  20:34:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Funny how the different years have slightly different arches.

Dave

“Time you enjoyed wasting is not wasted time.” – T.S. Elliotcommon.
-----------------------------------------------------------

1996 440 Trojan Express

Homeport: Haverstraw, NY Go to Top of Page

HOGAN

RO# 3813



Posted - Aug 10 2017 :  10:31:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's TWICE as funny, Dave!

_________________________


1999 Trojan 440 Express
2005 Scout 175 Sportfish

MMSI# 338049724




Surly to bed, surly to rise...

Homeport: Haverstraw Marina, Haverstraw, NY Go to Top of Page

Johnfrmcal

RO# 33857



Posted - Sep 01 2017 :  21:42:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by aenglebert1

HI Johnfrmcal

I am new to the forum. Bought my 1999 44 Tojan Express last year, Love it! I have the same leaking issue around the arch. I want to make some canvas modifications like yours but now can't see your pics. Is there any way to make a change to view them?



Hi and welcome to the forum! My apologies, I don't have any notifications turned on to let me know when there are new posts and I haven't looked in a while. I guess I should find how you turn that on LOL. It seems that everyone and their mother used to use the free pic hosting on Photobucket, and then all of a sudden they made it a subscription-only feature because all of the forums I'm on have suddenly lost so many pics. Anyways, If you can PM me or get me your email address, I will send you the pics. Having the canvas designed and made correctly solved my problem, which I think was much easier that trying to shim the arch. It's a lot more expensive of course, but if you need new canvas anyways then it's the solution.


Every Weekend's a Vacation

Homeport: Discovery Bay, CA Go to Top of Page

aenglebert1

RO# 33987

Posted - Sep 28 2017 :  18:32:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks so much that would be much appreciated. austin at austinenglebert.com

Couldn't use the AT sign due to formatting issues

quote:
Originally posted by Johnfrmcal

quote:
Originally posted by aenglebert1

HI Johnfrmcal

I am new to the forum. Bought my 1999 44 Tojan Express last year, Love it! I have the same leaking issue around the arch. I want to make some canvas modifications like yours but now can't see your pics. Is there any way to make a change to view them?



Hi and welcome to the forum! My apologies, I don't have any notifications turned on to let me know when there are new posts and I haven't looked in a while. I guess I should find how you turn that on LOL. It seems that everyone and their mother used to use the free pic hosting on Photobucket, and then all of a sudden they made it a subscription-only feature because all of the forums I'm on have suddenly lost so many pics. Anyways, If you can PM me or get me your email address, I will send you the pics. Having the canvas designed and made correctly solved my problem, which I think was much easier that trying to shim the arch. It's a lot more expensive of course, but if you need new canvas anyways then it's the solution.




Austin Englebert

Homeport: AL Go to Top of Page

Watermark

RO# 33906

Posted - Nov 20 2017 :  01:02:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Does anyone have any ideas for a windshield replacement? Still something I need to do. Thanks, Mike

quote:
Originally posted by Watermark

The two windshield pieces that need to be replaced are about 48" x 54". The edges are curved and it has a slight bow to it.



Mike
1997 Trojan 440 Express
Ventura, CA

Homeport: Ventura, CA Go to Top of Page

Watermark

RO# 33906

Posted - Jan 14 2018 :  03:03:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Does anyone have a recommended replacement for the Norcold DE461 refrigerator?

Thanks!


Mike
1997 Trojan 440 Express
Ventura, CA

Homeport: Ventura, CA Go to Top of Page

jonfraser

RO# 34007

Posted - Jan 14 2018 :  08:13:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I've done some research into several replacement items including the refrigerator. The advice I've been given is to read the reviews, buy quality and most importantly, wait for it to go on sale. I've found www.defender.com has some great deals on appliances, but I'd look around.

quote:
Originally posted by Watermark

Does anyone have a recommended replacement for the Norcold DE461 refrigerator?

Thanks!



Jon Fraser

2000 Carver Trojan 440 Express - Hardtop

Homeport: Ontario Go to Top of Page

Audrey II

RO# 30499



Posted - Jan 14 2018 :  15:23:25  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm not sure if this will help any but it may.

http://www.suremarineservice.com/Refrigeration-Size-Comparison.aspx


Dave

“Time you enjoyed wasting is not wasted time.” – T.S. Elliotcommon.
-----------------------------------------------------------

1996 440 Trojan Express

Homeport: Haverstraw, NY Go to Top of Page

HOGAN

RO# 3813



Posted - Jan 29 2018 :  09:38:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Just measure the dimensions and get one that fits, there are a few different models out there.

_________________________


1999 Trojan 440 Express
2005 Scout 175 Sportfish

MMSI# 338049724




Surly to bed, surly to rise...

Homeport: Haverstraw Marina, Haverstraw, NY Go to Top of Page

Watermark

RO# 33906

Posted - Apr 02 2018 :  00:03:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Does anyone know where I can find the windshield gasket seals? I'm currently working with Imtra and they are trying to contact Besenzoni, the manufacturer of the windshield. Thanks, Mike

Mike
1997 Trojan 440 Express
Ventura, CA

Homeport: Ventura, CA Go to Top of Page
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