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 Guests paying for fuel. No, they should not.
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Chesagansett

RO# 9880



Posted - May 16 2018 :  00:15:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There was a discussion on a Facebook group about boats not running on "Thank You". The discussion was mostly about whether guests should pay/chip in for fuel. My position is they should NOT be expected to do so, ... but it is okay if they would like to bring some food/drink. To me, this would be like guests bringing a bottle of wine (or other food/drink item) when visiting someone's house. But, expecting them to chip in for fuel would be like them chipping in for your utility bills when they visit your house. That's not expected of guests. What's your opinion(s)? Here is my reply to the group regarding fuel:

<<<< .... When Janet and I invite people aboard our boat, they are our guests. We never want them to pay for fuel. Also, we were going out and burning fuel anyway. The additional fuel used by having the added weight of guests aboard is very little. Expecting guests to chip in for fuel would be like asking them to help subsidize our boat trips. That would not be a guest. That would be a paying customer. We do not run a commercial ferry or charter service. They are our guests. Expecting people to chip in for fuel would be like expecting people to chip in for your utility bills (electric, heat , A/C) when they visit your home. ... (We are heating/cooling the house anyway. And, we are going out and burning boat fuel anyway, whether or not our guests came along on the boat or visit our house.). Don't "use your friends" to subsidize your boating. If you cant afford to take the boat out unless they chip in, then you bought too much boat. Don't blame your friends/guests. ...>>>


Glenn
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Audrey II

RO# 30499



Posted - May 16 2018 :  02:58:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No guest should not be expected to pay for fuel! If they offer to pay for a meal so be it but I don't expect it.
This said if you plan a trip and are bringing guests that would be different. I took a one week vacation we brought a couple with us and we took turns filling the boat and split the docking fees it was a cheap vacation for both of us!


Dave

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Gregory S

RO# 2620



Posted - May 16 2018 :  09:39:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Depends on the circumstances. What Dave said above is legitimate. Also, if you had a ski boat and took friends out for a day of water skiing, I don't think it would be wrong to let them chip in for all the fuel you burned hauling them around the lake.


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Roy

RO# 114

Posted - May 16 2018 :  10:50:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not sure, but there may be a legal issue here. If the guests pay, even for gas, that may make it a commercial activity for which a captain's licence would be needed. Kinda like a fishing captain taking people out fishing. I know this is nit-picking but the boat operator should at least be aware it.

Roy


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Good Grief

RO# 13137



Posted - May 16 2018 :  11:53:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A bunch of guys offering to chip-in for gas on a fishing trip is not the same as the operator charging for fuel. One is a friendly transaction on a recreational vessel, the other a business transaction on a passenger vessel.

-Gene
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Phillbo

RO# 2553

Posted - May 16 2018 :  12:34:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My guest are only expected to BYOB. I supply food and fuel.


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JVM225

RO# 28365

Posted - May 16 2018 :  14:32:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We donít ask guests to pay for or bring anything on the boat. Same policy as when we invite people to our house.
We donít expect anything either.
Our guests who are mostly friends or family members generally bring something to eat or drink, usually a bottle of wine or a dessert item or sometimes both, when they come on the boat or to our house.
Some occasions they bring a non consumable gift if the occasion calls for it.
We always express our gratitude when they come aboard or walk in. If itís a non consumable gift, my wife makes sure whoever the recipient is writes a Thank You note. She says that itís one of the things that separate us from the apes.
If they bring a bottle of something she always opens it up and serves it. If itís a dessert, she always serves it. Sometimes we have so many desserts that some donít get touched, or barely touched. In those cases we usually ask the guests to take some stuff home with them rather than leave it on the boat or in the house where weíll wind up eating too much of it.
We never show up anywhere empty handed and although we know a few people that are generally tighter than a crabís a$$ in some other ways, I canít remember anyone ever showing up empty handed when we invite them.


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Edited by - JVM225 on May 16 2018 14:51:57

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Gregory S

RO# 2620



Posted - May 16 2018 :  14:44:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Roy, we've discussed the legal ramifications of friends chipping in for gas before. The consensus if I remember is that there were none. Not the same as a commercial charter. If your kid's friends chip in for your child's car gas , does that make your car a taxi---no.


Edited by - Gregory S on May 16 2018 14:46:06

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pdecat

RO# 842



Posted - May 16 2018 :  14:56:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Greg is correct

Bruce



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Sandy

RO# 1159

Posted - May 17 2018 :  01:40:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Good Grief

A bunch of guys offering to chip-in for gas on a fishing trip is not the same as the operator charging for fuel. One is a friendly transaction on a recreational vessel, the other a business transaction on a passenger vessel.



As I understand it, that is just the way the USCG has defined the difference between the need to be a licensed marine operator or not under such circumstances.

If in return for passage there is a requirement for a passenger to "chip in", the operator must be coast guard licensed. If there is no requirement but there is an un-"suggested" voluntary donation of provisions or even some gas money( presumably as long as a profit is not being made), that appears to be acceptable.

My crew/guests are never asked to chip in & I don't accept money or gas , but semi-regulars do often bring ice or bait or an extra sandwich to be helpful and save me prep time on friendly fishing runs and ... usually... cheerfully help me clean up at the end of the trip which is the best payback of all.

I also don't ever want my friends to feel like money or gas is a "price of admission" which might sometimes make them less interested in quickly deciding to accept an invitation to "Let's went, Ceesco!"

There are a lot of priceless moments out on the water , and I'd like to keep it that way for guests.





Sandy

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Good Grief

RO# 13137



Posted - May 17 2018 :  07:34:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
+1 Sandy

-Gene
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smitty477

RO# 31913



Posted - May 18 2018 :  10:02:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We have never asked anyone to pay for anything when cruising with us - family or friends.
With that said there are many times when guests have paid for meals , dockage, fuel etc even prepaying the bill ahead of time when we least expected it.
Especially on longer trips when they have been creative and insistent on sharing some of the costs.



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GeeBee

RO# 385



Posted - May 18 2018 :  14:00:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Guests are just that, guests, not checkbooks.



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