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TJM

RO# 2909

Posted - Oct 04 2018 :  12:34:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What is a standard fee (kickback) for work performed at your own Marina by an outside contractor ?
I have asked my marina to do some work(replace my Heat/AC units) and they declined saying they did not want the job.
The installer is saying that I will need to pay them $$$. I am awaiting the quote from the installer.
Tom
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Homeport: Essex, Ct

Bob J

RO# 181

Posted - Oct 04 2018 :  12:57:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wouldn't the fee come from your marina & not the installer ?

BOB J


Bob J

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Golfman25

RO# 1239

Posted - Oct 04 2018 :  13:04:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If they don't want the work, then they have some balls charging a fee.


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smitty477

RO# 31913



Posted - Oct 04 2018 :  13:21:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TJM





20-25% at most marinas we have stayed at but never do we get work done there.





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smitty477

RO# 31913



Posted - Oct 04 2018 :  13:23:19  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TJM





20-25% at most marinas we have stayed at but never do we get work done there.





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JVM225

RO# 28365

Posted - Oct 04 2018 :  20:16:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Usually 20% around here.

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PascalG

RO# 12212



Posted - Oct 04 2018 :  20:24:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Down here Marinas that only offer dockage donít charge anything for outside contractors. Marinas that double up as a yard sometimes charge 10 to 15% to discourage outside contractors.

If you pay full rate for dockage, you shouldnít have to pay anything to have someone working on your boat. Thatís nuts.


Pascal
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TJM

RO# 2909

Posted - Oct 05 2018 :  08:09:58  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am a year round loyal tenant at this marina and always pay slip fees upfront.

The outside company who is selling me the units and installing them is telling me that my Marina will want me to pay them 10% of the installers bill.

Ex: $10,000 to the installer and $1,000 to the Marina for doing NOTHING !



Tom
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smitty477

RO# 31913



Posted - Oct 05 2018 :  09:02:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TJM

I am a year round loyal tenant at this marina and always pay slip fees upfront.

The outside company who is selling me the units and installing them is telling me that my Marina will want me to pay them 10% of the installers bill.

Ex: $10,000 to the installer and $1,000 to the Marina for doing NOTHING !






That is what should be in your yearly slip agreement and likely has been there all these years. If not then there is no foundation for the extra charges.
FWIW - they will say its for insurance, overhead, management and access.



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Robyns Nest

RO# 4846

Posted - Oct 05 2018 :  11:49:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
You should have the installer give you 2 bills. One for the AC units and parts and one for the labor.

Pay the 10% on the labor.



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Mike_R

RO# 32823



Posted - Oct 05 2018 :  13:31:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"Specialty Trades" we don't pay a fee, like AC, Electronics, and Canvas; standard mechanical is a 10% vig.

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Mike McManus

RO# 958

Posted - Oct 07 2018 :  23:49:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I had one marina that wanted me the contractor to pay them 10% of the contract Of course that was lin the total one took 30%


Edited by - Mike McManus on Oct 07 2018 23:50:14

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praetorian

RO# 14793

Posted - Oct 09 2018 :  23:11:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My marina now charges 45%!
It's criminal and has upset many boaters.
I've got friends that help do most of my work and I pay them I officially. I won't pay that kind of extortion.
Others are getting really taken



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JVM225

RO# 28365

Posted - Oct 10 2018 :  13:30:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Another way to look at it is:
Would you go in to a restaurant and bring your own cook in with you?
If a marina or boatyard operator is really unreasonable then the best thing to do is donít go there.
But some things are reasonable.
Iím pretty lucky in that Iím not in a marina. Iím docked on private property that I own. So I can do whatever I want during the season.
Iíve got to winter my current boat in a local boatyard and the guy who owns it is fantastic. He lets me do whatever I want on my boat myself. Some places donít even let you work on your own boat.
If I come across something I either canít do, or donít want to do, I have him do it for me. Not only do I want to give him the business, but he is a phenomenal mechanic.
If I had to bring in a specialist, I would have to pay extra so that specialist could kick back a percentage to the boatyard operator.
Honestly though, I kind of understand it. Overhead is very expensive around here. Property taxes are very high on commercial properties, and the values of the properties are also very high. The guy paying the boatyard bills has to come up with the money somehow.



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zane

RO# 19940

Posted - Oct 10 2018 :  15:35:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If the marina declined to take the job, I dont think you should have to pay a fee. My understanding of these fees is to offset the marinas loss of income for not getting the job. They are not sustaining a loss because they did not want the job.

Hell, with some of these fees I am seeing, if I owned a marina I would decline all work and just collect fees. No labor costs,no complainers....tear down the shop, install a pool and tiki bar. Just walk the docks and be the ď fee naziĒ.



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smitty477

RO# 31913



Posted - Oct 10 2018 :  20:36:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
While I do not like or agree with the fees you choose the marinas you stay at.
You read the docs you sign with all the rules and regs of that marina.
Don't stay where you do not like the rules.



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JVM225

RO# 28365

Posted - Oct 10 2018 :  21:03:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by zane

If the marina declined to take the job, I dont think you should have to pay a fee. My understanding of these fees is to offset the marinas loss of income for not getting the job. They are not sustaining a loss because they did not want the job.

Hell, with some of these fees I am seeing, if I owned a marina I would decline all work and just collect fees. No labor costs,no complainers....tear down the shop, install a pool and tiki bar. Just walk the docks and be the ď fee naziĒ.



Oddly enough, there was a boatyard that operated pretty much that way.
The owner basically rented dock space, hauled boats, blocked, stored them etc.. If you required work to be performed by someone (an outsider paid pro), that someone had to give the guy 20% of his fee.
Hence, you paid the pro more for work he performed in that boatyard than you would if he did it on your own property.
The guy is retired now, and someone else who also does work is running the boatyard, but the previous guy did it his way for years.
Years ago, before I owned my dock property, a friend and I were looking to rent slips in another boatyard. The owner had adjoining slips for us. Perfect setup. Then I asked him about his policy on about owners working in their own boats. His policy was simple and strict. Not allowed to do any repairs at all on your own boat in his boatyard.
His yard, his rules. Needless to say we didnít rent slips from him, but his docks are usually pretty full to this day.


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Edited by - JVM225 on Oct 10 2018 21:08:11

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GeeBee

RO# 385



Posted - Oct 11 2018 :  09:48:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Even if they decline or don't do that kind of work, outside contractors represent a risk for marinas. Because of that fact, they charge to offset the cost of the insurance policy endorsement in that regards. We had a little hullabaloo at my marina and I am friends with the owners. The cost of these endorsements is not cheap in that a mistake can not only result in the loss of the dock, but a lot of boats. Most boat owners are under insured for that kind of loss and contractors even less.

My marina now requires named insured endorsements from the contractor's insurance for no less than 2 million. Solved a big part of the problem.





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Edited by - GeeBee on Oct 11 2018 09:57:58

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george smith

RO# 19636

Posted - Oct 14 2018 :  16:48:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I will jump in here. I am a small marine contractor I do work that very few marinas do. That said I do have insurance that covers (protects the marinas) from any damage I may cause. It costs me more than $5,000.00 dollars a year. I do not pay any marina any money for work I do in their marinas. I do help them with problems and questions about things they don't have experience with. No one has ever asked me to pay them anything. there was one time I went rather far out of my normal service area to help a very good customer who had a problem on a long trip. That marina did ask for a $20.00 fee to cover electric and use of their toilet facilities I didn't think that was unreasonable. I have a few marinas in the city that have no on site service that I do have to pay to park. These fees I pass on to the boat owners. I do have to pay for the use of equipment if a very large part must be craned in or out,that is fair to pay for the upkeep of their gear and operator. But to just add 10 or 20 percent to a invoice for nothing is not fair to their slip holders. The marina owners don't offer to pay for my training,tools or other costs that I incur to stay up to date on fast changing technology. I support marina owners for insisting that contractors be insured and reputable it is good for their slip holders and themselves. I have been doing this for 22 years and do anything I can to help marina owners make boating a safe and enjoyable hobby for my fellow boaters.


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GeeBee

RO# 385



Posted - Oct 15 2018 :  09:39:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What kind of liability limits for 5K a year?



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