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jeff_c

RO# 25917



Posted - Oct 29 2018 :  17:09:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thinking it might be time for a change and hopefully save a few bucks in the process.

I am currently spending ~$129/ft for Summer and Winter storage (including electric).

I love the location and there's absolutely nothing I don't like about the marina but I don't use the facilities (do my own work and we don't hang at the dock) so the security is really the only thing we take advantage of. Therefore, I am looking for recommendations on where to look for a new 16 (at least) slip where I can hopefully save a few bucks.

Or is $129/ft the going rate for that area.

TIA
Jeff
______________
Current:
2008 Prestige 42 Fly...the "Major Decision"


Past:
1970 13' Boston Whaler Sport...the "Minor Decision"
2007 Formula 31PC...the "Family Decision"
2000 Proline 30 Express...the "Our Decision"
1997 Hydra-Sports 22' Center Console...the "Split Decision"


Edited by - jeff_c on Oct 29 2018 20:54:16

Homeport: Lindenhurst, NY

Brite Idea

RO# 12714

Posted - Oct 29 2018 :  17:20:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm moving over to AYC because the town does NOT provide any security and frown on us using the electric. You're going to have a hard time finding better for less. Just my opinion.


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jeff_c

RO# 25917



Posted - Oct 29 2018 :  18:04:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Brite Idea

I'm moving over to AYC because the town does NOT provide any security and frown on us using the electric. You're going to have a hard time finding better for less. Just my opinion.



"frown upon..." WTF is that? Either they provide it or they don't...which is it.

I guess this is a +1 in the Stay column.

Thanks,
Jeff


______________
Current:
2008 Prestige 42 Fly...the "Major Decision"


Past:
1970 13' Boston Whaler Sport...the "Minor Decision"
2007 Formula 31PC...the "Family Decision"
2000 Proline 30 Express...the "Our Decision"
1997 Hydra-Sports 22' Center Console...the "Split Decision"


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CaptCrunch

RO# 32171



Posted - Oct 29 2018 :  18:47:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jeff you do or don’t do your own work? Few marinas will let you do your own work ecspecially bottom paint. That would be one of the most limiting factors of you do your own work

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walterv

RO# 12640



Posted - Oct 29 2018 :  19:24:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
LOL,
AYC is so cheap as owners, we are pissed!!!! Post your results so we can hammer the office to raise rates!!!


And always remember, life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by those moments that take our breath away.

George Carlin

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jeff_c

RO# 25917



Posted - Oct 29 2018 :  21:01:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hold the phone...I just redid my numbers. I am at $129/ft with yearly storage and year round electric.

As for doing my own work. I meant I do all winterization while subcontracting out the bottom painting and shrinkwrapping. I also do my own light engine work so I dont feel like I need a full service shop 100' from my boat. That being said, I know there are a few places that are more work yards rather than yacht clubs and I wouldn't be adverse to that.



______________
Current:
2008 Prestige 42 Fly...the "Major Decision"


Past:
1970 13' Boston Whaler Sport...the "Minor Decision"
2007 Formula 31PC...the "Family Decision"
2000 Proline 30 Express...the "Our Decision"
1997 Hydra-Sports 22' Center Console...the "Split Decision"


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destination unknown

RO# 12619

Posted - Oct 30 2018 :  02:12:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
At 129 a foot year round your doing good. Even on what you would call a boat yard you will still be paying more. Most south shore marinas are at 150 to 175 a foot and that is length overall and that’s just the summer add another 50 a foot for winter and them doing all the labor. Not your model number.

Now if you were looking for a place with more or different cruising destinations then I would agree with the move.

I moved from the AYC 3 years ago but I went to the cheasapeake bay. That was a lot cheaper. Now I am in Greenport at 175 a foot just for the summer and 300 for electric. Because I own a slip in the AYC still I bring my boat back for the winter so I can do my own work and save around 4K on winter fees.

If it was me I would just stay at the AYC.

Your not going to beat the cost.



Edited by - destination unknown on Oct 30 2018 02:14:43

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Audrey II

RO# 30499



Posted - Oct 30 2018 :  06:09:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm paying $129 per foot for the summer plus 680 for electric then an additional 32 per foot for the winter.
Sounds to me like you are getting a great deal like likely going to do better.
BTW This is at my know marina for the summer in Stamford CT and back in Stony Point for the Winter.


Dave

“Time you enjoyed wasting is not wasted time.” – T.S. Elliotcommon.
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abalmuth

RO# 13885



Posted - Oct 30 2018 :  06:42:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My Marina in Greenport charges by the Slip,not the foot, so for me it works out to $188 a foot plus $750 for electric. this is for 8 months of April to Dec 1st
Not cheap but i feel it's well worth the $'s as its a true vacation spot.
Almost every cruising destination has a deep water route
plenty of places to just drop the hook & hang- just finding many Restaurants for dock & dine- Running over to Mystic for lunch/dinner is like when i would go to Stamford from Huntington

And even on busy weekends more manageable than the Southshore/GSB channels


Carver Voyager 530 with Volvo 122's/610HP
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.........

Edited by - abalmuth on Oct 30 2018 09:26:05

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CurrentSea

RO# 10265



Posted - Oct 30 2018 :  09:39:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
AYC rates are going up
Owners need to do something.
AYC is way too cheap for what it offers.
The office holds it back.


2009 Regal 4080
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Mike_R

RO# 32823



Posted - Oct 30 2018 :  09:39:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am at $150/FT including electricity, cable and WiFi, at the mouth of the Connecticut River. April 1 - November 30.

True North
2007 Legacy 32 Downeast Express
Island Cove Marina
Old Saybrook, CT

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CurrentSea

RO# 10265



Posted - Oct 30 2018 :  10:30:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Jeff,
As a renter I feel bad for you because you just opened a can of worms that I am going to address at AYC
We need to have standardized minimum rates. Issue is too many slip owners give their slips away too cheap.
In my view, we need to set minimums for slips that are rented thru the office as opposed to Billy's best guess.
D Dock should cost more.
I think it should be $150/foot for summer and $20 a foot for winter storage.
Then we will be competitive with other marinas
Right now it is way too cheap!



2009 Regal 4080
Volvo Diesel IPS

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jeff_c

RO# 25917



Posted - Oct 30 2018 :  12:44:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks all.

I guess I can check changing marinas off my list until Dave screws it up for me.


______________
Current:
2008 Prestige 42 Fly...the "Major Decision"


Past:
1970 13' Boston Whaler Sport...the "Minor Decision"
2007 Formula 31PC...the "Family Decision"
2000 Proline 30 Express...the "Our Decision"
1997 Hydra-Sports 22' Center Console...the "Split Decision"


Homeport: Lindenhurst, NY Go to Top of Page

HOGAN

RO# 3813



Posted - Oct 30 2018 :  13:35:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Audrey II

I'm paying $129 per foot for the summer plus 680 for electric then an additional 32 per foot for the winter.
Sounds to me like you are getting a great deal like likely going to do better.
BTW This is at my know marina for the summer in Stamford CT and back in Stony Point for the Winter.



$680 for electric???? That is insane! That adds $15/foot to your dockage. And I thought they overcharged for electric at HM...


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Anchor Management

RO# 32420



Posted - Oct 30 2018 :  14:57:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HOGAN

quote:
Originally posted by Audrey II

I'm paying $129 per foot for the summer plus 680 for electric then an additional 32 per foot for the winter.
Sounds to me like you are getting a great deal like likely going to do better.
BTW This is at my know marina for the summer in Stamford CT and back in Stony Point for the Winter.



$680 for electric???? That is insane! That adds $15/foot to your dockage. And I thought they overcharged for electric at HM...


That is pricey but quite frankly I was paying Haverstraw about $70/month and rarely made it there during the week so nothing was running except for battery charger, fridge and freezer.I kept AC , bridge fridge and second ice maker off so my guess it will be cheaper then paying Haverstraw per kw for me since I will be using boat much more often after retirement.


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walterv

RO# 12640



Posted - Oct 30 2018 :  17:39:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by abalmuth

My Marina in Greenport charges by the Slip,not the foot, so for me it works out to $188 a foot plus $750 for electric. this is for 8 months of April to Dec 1st
Not cheap but i feel it's well worth the $'s as its a true vacation spot.
Almost every cruising destination has a deep water route
plenty of places to just drop the hook & hang- just finding many Restaurants for dock & dine- Running over to Mystic for lunch/dinner is like when i would go to Stamford from Huntington

And even on busy weekends more manageable than the Southshore/GSB channels



Andy, I assume that price does not include winter storage?


And always remember, life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by those moments that take our breath away.

George Carlin

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abalmuth

RO# 13885



Posted - Oct 30 2018 :  18:07:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by walterv

quote:
Originally posted by abalmuth

My Marina in Greenport charges by the Slip,not the foot, so for me it works out to $188 a foot plus $750 for electric. this is for 8 months of April to Dec 1st
Not cheap but i feel it's well worth the $'s as its a true vacation spot.
Almost every cruising destination has a deep water route
plenty of places to just drop the hook & hang- just finding many Restaurants for dock & dine- Running over to Mystic for lunch/dinner is like when i would go to Stamford from Huntington

And even on busy weekends more manageable than the Southshore/GSB channels



Andy, I assume that price does not include winter storage?

Walter,
Yup, does not include winter. I like staying in the water so my cost is $52 a foot plus electric
BUT i get to use it as a man cave and will watch the super bowl on it


Carver Voyager 530 with Volvo 122's/610HP
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.........

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Audrey II

RO# 30499



Posted - Oct 30 2018 :  19:51:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HOGAN

quote:
Originally posted by Audrey II

I'm paying $129 per foot for the summer plus 680 for electric then an additional 32 per foot for the winter.
Sounds to me like you are getting a great deal like likely going to do better.
BTW This is at my know marina for the summer in Stamford CT and back in Stony Point for the Winter.



$680 for electric???? That is insane! That adds $15/foot to your dockage. And I thought they overcharged for electric at HM...



It is a lot but it is what it is! Lets just say I'm not moving to the sound because it's cheaper! If you want cheaper there are places that are much less but we happen to like the marina and it is worth the price at least for a year to try it we can always move if we decide someplace else would be better.


Dave

“Time you enjoyed wasting is not wasted time.” – T.S. Elliotcommon.
-----------------------------------------------------------

1996 440 Trojan Express

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JVM225

RO# 28365

Posted - Oct 30 2018 :  20:47:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
$129 per foot for summer and winter in a place like AYC isn’t a bad deal.
There may be nicer places further east on the south shore in Suffolk, but you’re probably not going to be able to do all the things (maintenance and repairs) you currently do on your boat like you can at AYC.
If I didn’t own my dock property Inwould probably look to buy something in there myself.
It would be better to own a slip there if you don’t mind tying up the money, but if you’re not looking to buy something there then renting is the next best thing.
You could probably save a bunch of money in a working boatyard if you don’t need amenities, and they usually include electric, but while they probably won’t mind your battery charger running all week, they most likely wouldn’t be thrilled if you left the air conditioning going for days on end.
It would be a trade off.


2002 Sea Ray 410 Sundancer
95 Eastern 22'
05 Maxum 18' Bowrider
C6 Corvette Convertible
68 GTO


Edited by - JVM225 on Oct 30 2018 20:48:56

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CurrentSea

RO# 10265



Posted - Oct 30 2018 :  23:27:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jeff_c

Thanks all.

I guess I can check changing marinas off my list until Dave screws it up for me.



Sorry but it does seem too low.
If we were not a dockominium the prices would be higher.
For what they offer.
Owners need to bring it to a vote to set a standard for all slips. Some rent too cheap



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JVM225

RO# 28365

Posted - Oct 31 2018 :  17:47:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CurrentSea

quote:
Originally posted by jeff_c

Thanks all.

I guess I can check changing marinas off my list until Dave screws it up for me.



Sorry but it does seem too low.
If we were not a dockominium the prices would be higher.
For what they offer.
Owners need to bring it to a vote to set a standard for all slips. Some rent too cheap





The market will decide what the right price is. When people that are renting there start to look at other options, or the number of prospective renters start to dwindle you’ll know the sweet spot.
My buddy used to rent the property in front of mine. Owners are elderly. They let their son-in law start handling the rental in 2012. He raised the rent immediately. My buddy started looking elsewhere, and actually wound up buying the house and dock on the other side of where he was renting.
The son-in-law is a jackass and kept to the high price with no takers.
The rental dock stayed empty until last season. That’s when the old people let their grandaughter put her junker boat there for free. Now we all have to look at it.
Those old people have lost a bundle because their son-in-law is an idiot.


2002 Sea Ray 410 Sundancer
95 Eastern 22'
05 Maxum 18' Bowrider
C6 Corvette Convertible
68 GTO


Edited by - JVM225 on Nov 01 2018 09:23:25

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Robski97

RO# 7334

Posted - Nov 01 2018 :  08:15:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
AYC is a steal!!! In merrick its 130 a foot for summer plus electric ( metered ) and 62 per foot for winter.

Rob


2006 44 Sundancer

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walterv

RO# 12640



Posted - Nov 01 2018 :  10:03:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Rob,
Does the $62.00 per foot for winter storage include hauling, blocking, power wash the bottom, spring launch?


And always remember, life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by those moments that take our breath away.

George Carlin

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CurrentSea

RO# 10265



Posted - Nov 01 2018 :  18:31:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
AYC is a steal because the office allows it.
Think about it, office gets 10% of rental.
You think they care if they rent it at $5K or $4.5K, its not a big difference to them.
I think there should be a schedule that rents slips by the beam. So if a guy with a 12' beam gets at 14' beam slip, he pays for 14'.
Then there should be premium pricing for D dock, since it is the best dock.

AYC is a steal and its up to the owners to request a vote to change it.
Who is in? I will start a petittion to get a vote on a board meeting.

Also if slips rented more then the would cost more to buy. Prices on slips haven't gone up in years yet there was NO empty slips this year and it seems like other marinas are all increasing rates.





2009 Regal 4080
Volvo Diesel IPS

Edited by - CurrentSea on Nov 02 2018 14:25:15

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JVM225

RO# 28365

Posted - Nov 02 2018 :  14:02:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
“Prices on slips haven't gone up in years yet there was empty slips this year and it seems like other marinas are all increasing rates.”

Hmmm...........that leads me to suspect that perhaps you may have found the sweet spot for rental and sale prices, or at least it may be wise to do some research and give some objective thought as to why that’s the case.


2002 Sea Ray 410 Sundancer
95 Eastern 22'
05 Maxum 18' Bowrider
C6 Corvette Convertible
68 GTO


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CurrentSea

RO# 10265



Posted - Nov 02 2018 :  14:26:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by JVM225

“Prices on slips haven't gone up in years yet there was empty slips this year and it seems like other marinas are all increasing rates.”

Hmmm...........that leads me to suspect that perhaps you may have found the sweet spot for rental and sale prices, or at least it may be wise to do some research and give some objective thought as to why that’s the case.




That was a typo.
There was NO empty slips.
We were 100% full this past year.



2009 Regal 4080
Volvo Diesel IPS

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walterv

RO# 12640



Posted - Nov 02 2018 :  19:05:02  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
100% full last year with a waiting list, AYC is on target to be 100 percent full this year as early as now!


And always remember, life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by those moments that take our breath away.

George Carlin

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walterv

RO# 12640



Posted - Nov 02 2018 :  19:21:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
15 years ago I bought my first slip in the AYC, next year sold that slip (got a bigger boat) and bought my present slip. My present slip has increased in value by 40%. Not much increase , but over that 14 years, new slip I saved 23K in rental fees. 10 years ago I bought a second slip, rented it, that slip really has not increased in value, but that slip pays all my costs for my primary slip plus 2.5k a year to go towards expenses

Now there is a value of money invested and if put somewhere else. My best guess, made at least 5% per year.

Walter.


And always remember, life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by those moments that take our breath away.

George Carlin

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JVM225

RO# 28365

Posted - Nov 03 2018 :  10:18:00  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by CurrentSea

quote:
Originally posted by JVM225

“Prices on slips haven't gone up in years yet there was empty slips this year and it seems like other marinas are all increasing rates.”

Hmmm...........that leads me to suspect that perhaps you may have found the sweet spot for rental and sale prices, or at least it may be wise to do some research and give some objective thought as to why that’s the case.




That was a typo.
There was NO empty slips.
We were 100% full this past year.





Ahhh..... that makes more sense.


2002 Sea Ray 410 Sundancer
95 Eastern 22'
05 Maxum 18' Bowrider
C6 Corvette Convertible
68 GTO


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abalmuth

RO# 13885



Posted - Nov 05 2018 :  13:07:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was thinking my Marina was the most expensive on LI at $188 a foot. So wrong!!
Just got off the phone with Danfords, for my size boat its $240 a foot & $1,500 for electric. Can bring that down to $220 a foot if paid for before 12/31


Carver Voyager 530 with Volvo 122's/610HP
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright
until you hear them speak.........

Edited by - abalmuth on Nov 05 2018 13:09:45

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