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alphaforcex
RO# 22212
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Posted - Apr 24 2007 : 22:15:58
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I have a marine shop done the winterization for me and I just received the boat this past weekend and I found out that all the faucets (3), head, and the AC pump are leaking water probably because water did not get drained...!#$#**!$ I turned off the sea cock so the boat won't have water leaked (or should I use burst) into the bilge area. I did not fully inspect the boat when I received it and I couldn't get a hold of the marine store that did the job for me now...they transported the boat for me and they are from out of state...I know...I don't know what I was thinking!
Do you all know where to get Sea Ray parts? Or do all boat use generic parts? I talked to the Sea Ray dealer in the area and they won't service my boat (b/c I didn't buy it from there). I talked with Sea Ray and they don't have a policy to have the dealer to service the boat unless it is a warranty issue. I talked with the marine store at my marina and they don't service faucets and A/C parts. This is my first boat and first winterization (I should have spent more time reading the manual). What would you guys recommended me to do at this point??
I think the faucet is easy to replace but the head may be troublesome let aside the AC pump alone. I did auto work myself but I'm not sure if I could handle replacing the AC pump. Is this something easy to do?? Or should I ask for professional help?
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RonB
RO# 2178
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 Posted - Apr 24 2007 : 22:28:02
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Check the paper work you got with the boat. Usually they have the manufacturer of most of the parts. I'm sure once you find out who made it you can find someone online or close by where you could buy it. It may be something you can replace yourself if you are mechanically inclined. Good luck!!
This is of course you get nowhere with the dealers....
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Apr 24 2007 : 22:28:53
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so much for customer service i guess... the dealer refuses to work on it and SR doesn't care... nice.... anyway, what kind of head do you have ? where is the leak ? is it in the head itself, or just the water intake hose ? raw water, fresh water flush ?
same question about the air con pump, where is the leak ? hose, pump, a fitting, strainer ? it's not hard to fix, pumps are not that expensive, boatfix sell them at the best price. probalby a blessing that your dealer said NO, the same pump from BF is probably half price... :-) you don't need the exact same pump... check the capacity of your pump and get something similar... use quality hose, double clamp everything, etc...
hopefully, there is no damage to the air con coils, that woudl be costly :-(
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
2007 Sandbarhopper 13
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Homeport: Miami, FL
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Dockboss
RO# 25163
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Posted - Apr 24 2007 : 22:30:47
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Shouldnot be too much of a job if you do auto repairs.Lookfor the brand and model on the pump. If your local marine store cant supply one do an internet search. Once you have the right pump just replace the hoses and the wiring from the old pump. Remember your working with 110 volts so disconnect your shorepower while your installing.
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SLW
RO# 2186
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Posted - Apr 24 2007 : 22:49:26
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aren't we jumping the gun here? if the house water system went unwinterized, this project could get real ugly, real fast. Have you exhausted all possibilities of contacting the organization responsible for the damage?
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alphaforcex
RO# 22212
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Posted - Apr 24 2007 : 22:50:40
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I think the A/C is good because the air was cold. I don't know how to describe it but it is the top portion of the plastic housing of the pump that has a hole in there. Is this the pump?? I looked at the manual and the diagram shows that it is the pump but I'm not positive.
The boat has a vacuum head and we found puddle of water beneath the foot pedal. I haven't looked into the leak yet as I was all upset with the A/C situation. The head can still flush and looks like the vacuum still works. I believe it's fresh water flush.
I'll go through the paper and see if I could find the list of all the parts.
Thanks for all the advices. We really appreciate it.
My wife was all upset with this since I "talked" her into boating. Hopefully she'll still go out with me ;)
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ericsilv
RO# 10428
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Posted - Apr 24 2007 : 23:03:04
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not to be the bearer of bad news hopefully all is okay but the air conditioner will run cold for a short while with no water flow untill the saftey switch turns off compressor. the coil may have drained ny gravity but it also may have had water and broke the coil
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Ernesto
RO# 20854
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Posted - Apr 24 2007 : 23:04:19
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Are you sure it's not your seawater strainer with the hole in it?
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"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." Will Rogers
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Homeport: Minnesoooohhhda
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rbmitchell
RO# 3641
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Posted - Apr 25 2007 : 04:00:04
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Air conditioner water circulation pumps are not self priming and are installed below the water line. If the seacock was opened, water should spill out of the pump if it was cracked.
The good news is that the air conditioners, installed properly, will drain themselves back when turned off. They should be okay.
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alphaforcex
RO# 22212
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Posted - Apr 25 2007 : 06:28:16
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I spent the whole night looking at the manual and searching the internet. According to the location in the manual, it's the A/C pump but it definitely looks like a sea strainer according to the pictures I could find on the internet. I'll go back to the boat tonight and find out more details hopefully I can get it fixed this weekends or next. Thanks for all your help.
And we have the A/C on the first day almost the whole day and there is water coming out from the side of the boat so I'm assuming water is cycling through the system. But the "unit" is definitely not below the water line...
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abalmuth
RO# 13885
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Posted - Apr 25 2007 : 06:47:12
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If you can post some photos of the items in question it could help
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Ernesto
RO# 20854
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Posted - Apr 25 2007 : 09:46:19
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In my boat the seawater pump and the strainer aren't that far apart. Post a picture.
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Homeport: Minnesoooohhhda
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glenncal1
RO# 23116
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Posted - Apr 25 2007 : 13:50:56
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My water strainer for the AC didn't make the winter, just what you want to see on the season's launch is the bilge pump turning on and staying on **#%$#^&*&!!
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skolbe
RO# 4350
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Posted - Apr 25 2007 : 15:03:55
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The Sea Ray parts counter will gladly order any part you would like. May I suggest - finding out the parts and ordering from boat fix. You will save 30% or more. But - no parts guy at a dealership is going to be shy ordering any part you want. It is a profit center. Now getting service on a boat possibly improperly winterized is another story - since they are dealing with their customers at this time.
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Apr 25 2007 : 15:21:55
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Ac : it's really simple... you have the sea cock on the hull that lets water in. from there it goes to the strainer which catches grass and debris... can't miss it and you'd better know where it is since it's a routine service item... every month if you use the air a lot.
follow the hose from the strainer on to the water pump. it has to be below waterline as they are not self priming. a pump is pretty easy to ID ! an electric motor on one side, the pump on the other !
Then from the pump the water hose will go to your air conditioner, if you have multiple units there will be a Y or T to split the flow. ACs dont' have to be below waterline obviously...
when the compressor kicks in, the pump will start. check for flow outside the boat... you should always do that anyway after launch or maintenance on the pump/strainer to make sure it's not air locked.
if you have flow you're ok... but make sure they are no leaks ANYWHERE... if you suspect the system wasn't winterized correclty and might have been damaged, you dont' want to miss a leak...
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
2007 Sandbarhopper 13
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ericsilv
RO# 10428
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Posted - Apr 25 2007 : 16:49:08
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as pascal said simply said ac pump has a wire going to it . Strainer does not the compressor air handler condensor coil is somewere else above the water line
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alphaforcex
RO# 22212
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Posted - Apr 25 2007 : 21:34:39
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I went to the boat after work with my manual in order to identify the parts. Yes, it is the A/C pump. But it's the top plastic part that broke...not sure how because it seems that the hole itself is really smooth...like a drain.
Anyway, I spent some more time assessing the damage and the nightmare comes...
After I turned on the water pump, I heard water dripping everywhere (I was in the cabin) and that can't be good. I found that the faucet was leaking water in the galley...the toilet was leaking water at the knob as well as a PVC connector of the head has cracked in it. I then walked out to the bilge area and found that water is leaking everywhere like a shower! Heater pipe was burst (the heater unit was like someone beat the crap out of it; sorry, I don't know how to describe and I'm a little mad at this point)...Basically I see water everywhere there is a pipe...
I basically gave up at that point and I think I'll need someone to handle this professionally. That means I'll need to transport the boat 60 miles to the closest MM where I bought the boat in another state to service the boat. The boat will be out for several weeks and I don't know how much the bill is going to be...ball park figure would be $1 - 1.5k.
Or I'll enjoy the boat now without fixing anything and leave everything alone (no A/C, no water) and wait till winter to do the work. Or I might not even need to worry about winterization for other parts other than the engine itself next winter. :) It can't get worse than it is now...
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alphaforcex
RO# 22212
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Posted - Apr 25 2007 : 21:42:49
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>when the compressor kicks in, the pump will start. check for flow outside the boat... you should always do that anyway after launch or maintenance on the pump/strainer to make sure it's not air locked.
Yes, there is water flowing outside the boat but the water was fairing weak. That's the time when I thought something is not right.
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marich
RO# 7896
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Posted - Apr 26 2007 : 07:23:49
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Alpha, Don't panic. Fixing this stuff is not that hard. I know it's a "PITA" but you can do it. We can help. What kind of Sea Ray do you have? (Year, Length, Model) Can you post some pictures?
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RadioguyJ
RO# 9357
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Posted - Apr 26 2007 : 11:08:37
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Marine water systems are generally not very complex. Depending on the year of your Sea Ray, chances are they use the "Whale" type water lines (blue and red). Those are readily available, and do not need to be purchased from a boat dealer or parts place, you can get them cheaper elsewhere. Start at the water tank and work your way out. First, is the tank itself cracked? Most likely it is not. Then from there a hose will run into a filter type strainer, then into the fresh water pump. Any leaks there? You may have an accumulator tank as well, although some boats do not have this. You will need to remove floor panels and trim/wall pieces to locate all of the lines, but that is relatively simple to do. (Just be sure to keep all the screws with each trim piece you remove!) Find where the lines are leaking and cracked. Remove each piece of line and write down it's length. Take note of the fittings as well, and replace any that are damaged. You can reuse any non-damaged fittings. Chances are that the faucets themselves are not damaged, but make sure they are not leaking to be sure. If your toilet is a Vacuflush, it is fed by the fresh water supply. See if the line that runs to the toilet is leaking. My bet would be the fitting at the toilet itself is broken and that's where your water puddle under the pedal is coming from. Replace the fitting and the line if neccessary.
As said previously, this job may seem very complicated but is actually easy to do with some patience.
Replacing the water pump on your A/C is easy to do as well. Shut the sea cock, take the top off the strainer to release any water pressure in it, then disconnect the pump and replace. Also check your strainer to make sure it is not damaged or leaking.
And yes, pictures would help us determine what you have there.....good luck, we'll all be here to help!
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alphaforcex
RO# 22212
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Posted - Apr 26 2007 : 13:58:33
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It's a 2006 Sea ray 240 Sun Dancer (24.5 ft)
I'll try to snap some pictures. I was going to last time but I couldn't find my camera. Hope this is really not that tough.
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Gregory S
RO# 2620
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Posted - Apr 26 2007 : 14:50:39
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Wait, if a marina winterized your boat, why aren't they responsable for everything that wasn't correctly winterized? The marina that used to do my work would have repaired anyything that was damaged as a result of thier winterization "process".
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Homeport: Wheeling,W.V.
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Ernesto
RO# 20854
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Posted - Apr 26 2007 : 15:05:51
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My thoughts exactly Gregory. I'd do al lI could to make sure that those who screwed up have it fixed for me.
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"Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there." Will Rogers
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Homeport: Minnesoooohhhda
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Billylll
RO# 24494
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Posted - Apr 26 2007 : 18:26:22
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If you paid to have the boat winterized it obviously was not, contact the shop that did the work. They are responsible for the damages and they are all related and numerous. I don't know how they could deny your claim. Good luck.
Another point are they a Sea Ray dealer if so contact the factory if you don't get any results and file a complaint about them to upper management. If I read correctly the boat is only a year old? Regards Bill
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alphaforcex
RO# 22212
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Posted - Apr 26 2007 : 21:18:05
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They finally contacted us after 4 days and said they will make arrangement for MarineMax to fix our boat. We'll see if that really happens. They said MM probably could just send a guy out and fix it at dock side. I hope it's really that easy but thanks everyone for their suggestions. It definitely makes us feel better.
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Apr 26 2007 : 21:35:14
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well,you need to know NOW if the AC pump is damaged because it is below waterline ! in the meantime, keep the AC seacock shutoff. i think that if there was damage to the pump, you'd have notice the water leaking... the readuced flow could be from a dirty strainer, stuff on the intake, etc...
as to he fresh water system, it sounds like you have a number of broken fittings and hoses. hopefully, it's just a few fittings, but if some of the pipes/hoses need replacement it can get expansive because they're not always easy to get to... depends how they were installed but there are often runs behind cabinetry, etc...
good luck... push on them to fix it NOW.
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
2007 Sandbarhopper 13
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alphaforcex
RO# 22212
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Posted - Apr 26 2007 : 21:42:00
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quote:
Originally posted by Billylll
If you paid to have the boat winterized it obviously was not, contact the shop that did the work. They are responsible for the damages and they are all related and numerous. I don't know how they could deny your claim. Good luck.
Another point are they a Sea Ray dealer if so contact the factory if you don't get any results and file a complaint about them to upper management. If I read correctly the boat is only a year old? Regards Bill
No, they are not sea ray dealer. They are just a family-owned marine shop.
Yes, the boat is about 9 months old. We bought it at the summer boat show last year.
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alphaforcex
RO# 22212
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Posted - Apr 26 2007 : 21:46:19
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quote:
Originally posted by PascalG
well,you need to know NOW if the AC pump is damaged because it is below waterline ! in the meantime, keep the AC seacock shutoff. i think that if there was damage to the pump, you'd have notice the water leaking... the readuced flow could be from a dirty strainer, stuff on the intake, etc...
as to he fresh water system, it sounds like you have a number of broken fittings and hoses. hopefully, it's just a few fittings, but if some of the pipes/hoses need replacement it can get expansive because they're not always easy to get to... depends how they were installed but there are often runs behind cabinetry, etc...
good luck... push on them to fix it NOW.
I think the pump is damaged to a certain degree. It still pumps water but it also leaks water at one end of the unit (the part that connects to two pipes). The reduce flow (out) is because the pipe that connects to the drain is leaking water as well.
How could I tell if my engine is damaged or not? I'm starting to worry about that too. The engine runs...can I assume it's okay?
Yes, I learned a lot due to this situation. At least I can name a few parts now. ;)
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - Apr 26 2007 : 22:10:59
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well, if the AC pump is leaking, turn off the AC and most importantly shut off the AC seacock. the crack could get worst, leak with the pump off and sink the boat !
i'm no expert on freeze damage... but i'd think that if there was damage to the engine you'd have notice by now assuming you used the boat at normal cruise speed to get everything up to temp. Make sure there are no leaks in teh cooling system and that you have no trace of water/coolant in the oil.
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
2007 Sandbarhopper 13
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alphaforcex
RO# 22212
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dancerscap
RO# 20150
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Posted - May 18 2007 : 01:05:09
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The fitting you have indicated on the water heater is engine water to or from the heat exchanger. If you run the boat with this hose fitting broken you are pumping engine cooling water into the boat and risks sinking your boat. From your description of the head leak, I suspect a ruptured water valve, not a big deal to replace, Vic can help you get the right one. Without repair, will cause your fresh water pump to run excessively, waste potable water, and damage the pump.Can also cause the shower sump to run excessively draining battery power if left connected and water on untended. The fitting under the sink looks like it may be just loose since it's a new boat and should have drained by gravity. By all means isolate the water heater somehow, as raw water leaking from the engines could sink you.
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sublimetime
RO# 21024
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Posted - May 18 2007 : 16:32:52
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the fitting under the sink has been blown apart. pieces of plastic have broken off that normally hold the brass
and stainless collar up in the connector,fitting should look like the fitting on the water heater where blue and red connect,(i suspect pieces on shelve below),the a/c pump is leaking at the motor
cooling loop.This is why you should use the pump to cicrculate the pink stuff at layup and not depend on blowing or sucking water out.freezes and splits fittings.water heater looks like it has completly froze sol;id and blew side out.(look at deformation of box)
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gbarger
RO# 411
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Posted - May 18 2007 : 16:42:03
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Those pictures are of a boat that had no winterization of the fresh water system and underwent a severe winer freeze. If you have a work order that confirms you paid for a winterization of the fresh water system (not just the engine), then you really should file a claim against the company responsible.
Just My opinion
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alphaforcex
RO# 22212
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Posted - May 18 2007 : 20:35:29
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Originally posted by gbarger
Those pictures are of a boat that had no winterization of the fresh water system and underwent a severe winer freeze. If you have a work order that confirms you paid for a winterization of the fresh water system (not just the engine), then you really should file a claim against the company responsible.
Just My opinion
Problem is, the contract did not define exactly what "winterization". It just says "Winterize, Shrink Warp, Summerize". When we talked about it, he mentioned that it will winterize everything including engine and the water system. He said everything will be ready. I'm not sure if we really have a case here as he could say that Winterize means winterize the engine only. What do you guys think?
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PascalG
RO# 12212
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Posted - May 18 2007 : 20:42:29
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it doesn't say "winterize engines" it says... "Winterize" !
i think it's pretty clear that the whole boat is to be winterized !
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Pascal
1970 Hatteras 53 MY
12' Westphal Catboat
16' Hobie Cat
2007 Sandbarhopper 13
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thataway4
RO# 10872
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Posted - May 18 2007 : 23:29:31
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You have a case where the shipyard failed to do what it was hired to do. They need to fix it, ASAP. You may need to have an attorney write a letter to them for starters, if they are not responding. But a drive out to talk to the owner is probably a better way to start things off. It appears if they failed entirely in winterinzing the boat...peroid..
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L Hall
RO# 1
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Posted - May 19 2007 : 06:11:22
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"I found the one (6 Gallons) that I needed from boatfix and westmarine and they priced similarly"
The scares me - we should be a lot less expensive than West Marine. Which one specifically did you look at?
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Robyns Nest
RO# 4846
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Posted - May 19 2007 : 09:09:26
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I think you have a great case against them. You need to start getting your case on paper. Fedex a letter to them demanding that they repair the boat and start building your case. If they do not respond, send another telling them that you are hiring outside to repair and they will be responsible to pay the bill.
They are at fault, no question.
You did pay your bill??? yes,then you have a great case.
Jonathan
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alphaforcex
RO# 22212
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Pigmeister
RO# 5555
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Posted - May 19 2007 : 14:58:47
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Just a question, this thread is way too wide so I have to scroll left and right to read it, it it the thread or my computer?
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wrkalot
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Posted - May 19 2007 : 15:12:17
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It's the West Marine link 2 posts up from this one.
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Fuzzy boat math: Model Name 411, Hull Length 43, LOA 46
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