Headliner install

drfeno

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Hi, As I've stated in anoter topic here, I'm refitting an older (1981) silverton 31c. I'm going to install headliner in the forward section similar to how it was originally. however, I want to try and do it without visible fasteners or trim covering the seams. I just went to the NY boat show, and all the vessels had padded headliners with seams, but no visible fasteners. I've looked on the internet, and bought a book on yacht interiors, but this is basically not covered in any depth. does anyone know how this is accomplished? I have some ideas, but if I could know how the manufacturer does it, that would be preferred.

Thanks
 
You could call Silverton, they are very helpful with projects like this.
 
I am about to start the same project. Make sure you have before and after photos. Headliner and bulkhead sides.

Ron
 
As Walter suggested, you should contact Silverton first to find out how the original headliner was installed. Did they use a backer board? What was it's composition? How was it attached to the hull, etc.?

Once you gather the preliminary information, you can then make a determination as to how to proceed. I don't believe the carpet was bonded directly to the hull, but rather to a backer board, which would be to your advantage. Since, it could be removed for bonding.

If you have either an automotive or RV upholstery shop in your area I would strongly suggest that you contact them, for several reasons. They have access to high temperature industrial grade adhesives, which the consumer does not. They'll have a wide selection of covering materials. They have the necessary spray equipment to properly apply the adhesive. If you decide on the use of a vinyl, the adhesive should be resistant to plasticizer migration, etc.

If you figure your overall costs versus what a professional shop is going to charge, I'm sure the final cost is going to be comparable.

Bob
 
Thanks for all responses,

I do know exactly how the old headliner was installed, because I removed it. The entire interior has been removed, it is basically an empty fiberglass hull. The headliner was vinyl cloth covering 1/4 inch plywood. it was screwed in place into 3/4 inch plywood blocks that were screwed directly into the cored fiberglass fordeck (from below of course). this created a small space for wiring and to hide the connections of the upper parts of the bulkheads to the ceiling. The sidewalls were covered with carpet, which was glued directly to the fiberglass. This has been removed, and I will probably use foam backed Vinyl in its place. Besides wood, that is basically how all the new vessels I saw have their interiors finished.

What I'm tring to do is purely for aestetics, the old headliner had teak trim covering the seams in the ceiling. these seams had screws directly through the ceiling and then covered by the trim. Since the new ceiling config will likely be different, I'm trying to do it with just pieces of headliner using concealed fasteners and no trim. I think I may have a soltion, I might use high effort snap fasteners. I might also screw through the panels near the ligh fixtures, which will be covered by the fixture itself. This will be a while, as I have 2 very small children(a 2 yr old girl and a 3 month old boy)an basically no free time. But I can plan, and if I have the design mostly figured out by the time I can get to work, that's half the battle.
 
As far as your headliner application goes, you can make additional backer boards that are larger than the existing boards so that when they're installed the edges butt tightly together. The vinyl covered boards will give you a finished seam without having to use a trim strip.

There are several ways you could attach these to the hull/plywood spacer blocks without having to use screws. First of all, you might want to attach additional spacer blocks to the hull for added support. This can be done by using 5200 along with a hot melt adhesive on the same block. The hot melt will give you sufficient holding power until the 5200 sets up. You could then attach your headliner composite to the blocks with christmas tree fasteners, velcro, or 5200. Again, use a hot melt in conjunction with the 5200 for immediate holding power. Another alternative would be a gel type cyanoacrylate and the 5200.

Bob
 
If the carpet is off the overhead and bulkheads, I would recommend a sound / heat insulation of some sort. It will pay huge dividends down the road.
 
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