Fuel tank issue

Bruce Herrington

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Had main port tank pumped, cleaned, and polished for the second time since 2/16 yesterday. 6 gallons of water and a lot of algae was found. The O ring seals were replaced after the 1st time it was cleaned.

Any idea how this much water can get in?

The tank is an original 125 gallon '79 model in a 79 Trojan Sedan f/b.

The fuel tank vent is original also; could rain water be getting in thru vent?
 
That's a shame.

Do you know if the hull end of the vent hose has the desired upward "reverse trap" to greatly help keep water from outside where it belongs?

Have you rechecked the o-ring. The wrong size or wrong profile replacement O-ring may not allow the cap to fit just right with intended seal.

Normally the only places or way substantial water can get into fuel tanks is through the vent, through a leaky sender gasket if water can drain down from the sole to sit on tank top, pumped in from a bad supply , mistakenly added in to fuel tank instead of water tank,.... with slight amounts accumulated from condensation when low tank levels are maintained in humid wx. .

Hopefully you can rule out bad-someone's intentionally adding water to your fuel tank.

What kind of vent does the hull have? If common "clamshell", is it still pointed open-end diagonally down and somewhat aft with screen intact?

Is the port side of the boat positioned in the slip where there is more wave action , either directly on the beam or as bounce back from a bulkhead which can be quite foreful in storms?

Was any water found in the stbd tank?

IMO, solid rainwater should never get in through a proper hull vent fitting, though it ...might... be possible for some water to get into the round non-directional disc type vents if there is no reverse trap and hose water is inadvertantly directed toward it during washdown.

6 gallons ! That's a lot in your diesel tank, almost 5%. Has there been some water right along since 2/9 which you have been removing from the separator bowls or do you think this is something which occurred in great volume just recently?

Just wondering , do you regularly add biocide like Biobor in label-recommended amount to help combat algae/microbe formation in the fuel water boundary?
 
He said the o rings were replaced the first time. Could they be too thin and not making a good seal?
Jim
 
You can't buy the right size o ring at the hardware store. I bought bigger gauge at the hardware store that fit the cap it sticks up some but not problem.
With the right size that fit the fitting (18 dollars) you have to be very careful putting the cap back on, otherwise it will leak, I had to reseat them every time. I have a 36 ft 84 Trojan, there is no way the vents will leak on mine.
 
The o rings were bought from marine supply store; replaced cork gasket type seals.

Condensation and leaky seal at the fuel fill is probably it. Lots of daily rain and boat hasn't been out of slip in months.

Thanks, guys. Really appreciate the help.
 
Maybe, but 6 gallons of condensation seems a bit high. Anyone near you have similar issues?
Jim
 
IMO definitely not condensation. That is a huge amount of water. Getting water with fuel fill up is not uncommon. Recheck the O ring. Where you bought it doesn't matter, size does. How does it compare to the one in the other fill?
You didnt answer the other tank question.
 
I went on Amazon, found the correct size O rings in silicon rather than neoprene. I oversized the thickness a little bit. Now, they last much longer and seal tighter because they are more flexible and inert. Usually you will find the cap has worn a little bit from the old o-ring, hence the need to oversize the thickness of the new. Sure your cap sticks up a little bit, all that matters I that it seals.

With regard to condensation. You would be amazed. In aviation, the nick name is "water wagon". If you have a slack tank, it fills with humid air and condensates every 24 hours. Then the tank gets rocked a little bit and all the condensation gets knocked off the roof of the tank and into the fuel. Next 24 hours same thing happens. Next thing you know, you got a lot of water! Because it happens every 24 hours.
 
The other 3 tanks were ok, no issues at all.

The filler cap did need more than half a turn recently. I'll buy a bigger o ring and a new fill cap. Condensation has to be part of the problem; sw fl is quite humid.

No one else has any fuel issues, that I know of.

Thanks again, guys. :-)
 
Yes, but it remains closed. I still check it often because I don't want the problem to migrate to other tank(s).
 
If you can get the water out, can you tape a baggy over the fuel fill. That might narrow things down a bit.
 
Got the water out, had tank pumped and cleaned again, looking for over-sized O ring and new cap.. Never thought about using a baggy. :-)
 
Get a gallon of fuel from the place you get most of your fuel. Put it in a glass jar and check for water. Don't trust your fuel dock to keep their tanks clean. You also might have gotten the dregs from a low supply at your fuel dock.
 
"Any idea how this much water can get in?"

6 gallons of water and you have new "O" rings in.
I would look next at the filler neck where the flexible hose connects to the fill under the hull.
If that clamp has broken or is loose water will slide by and run inside the hose to the tank often coming in under the hull fitting as bedding ages.
You can also get better fit and life out of "O" rings if you coat them with Superlube prior to install - but in this case I would look at the filler neck to hose area.
 
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