Pascal has me thinking,,,

samjac

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Pascals trip back to Miami has me fantasizing once again about taking my boat to Florda for the winter. Im thinking I could do this in three four day chunks. Starting at Rock Hall, traveling about 20 knots, I could make Norfolk the first day, somewhere around Nags Head the second day, Myrtle Beach the third day and Charleston the fourth day. Fly home and then restart the trip south a week or so later as business and weather allow. Probably take a couple days stop again at Jacksonville and then fly home. Couple weeks later move it further south for the winter.
To all those who have done this..
Does this plan make sense? or am I Florida dreaming?
 
It's nice to dream. I enjoy Pascal and Captain Bill's travels. All I want to do is take my boat from the Atlantic City area to the Pamlico Sound in North Carolina. I was going to do it this year but I'm holding off until our new home is completed. I'm worried I might never return to New Jersey if it were up to me only. I have a mother with severe Alzhiemer's and frankly I'm all she has left (what see can remember), my wife also has a huge family in south Jersey. Some day soon it will happen I know it's not going to be in 2010.
I think your planned trip speed might be too ambitious unless you stay outside. This time of year running outside can get you in trouble with the weather.

Bill
 
Weather can be a HUGE factor in that run.

Coming back from the Chesapeake this summer, we were in 4' - 6' seas for 6-8 hours. It was exhausting!

Do you carry enough fuel to make it as far as you plan each day? If not, by the time you pull in somewhere, fuel up, and get back out, several hours can be eaten up.

One day, when we get the hell out of NY, we will do the run, but I will take my time and enjoy it.
 
I also had a dream that I filled last year..I always wanted to boat from Canada to the USA, and last summer the Admiral and I did it, but with carefull eyes on the weather...
It was a good trip...
 
Samjac, Your time line is too ambitious. Slow down and enjoy. Weather and your inside/outside runs play a part. BTW,it is a great trip,have done it several times, looking fwd to the next trip,hopefully next summer.

John
 
So I got part of my dream in this summer. Mid June, took the boat across the “ditch” (Okeechobee) from Ft Myers Beach and made Ft Pierce first night. From Ft. Pierce, we headed outside and made great time to Ponce Inlet (just south of Daytona Beach). Once inside, started to get the orientation to the ICW that all thoughts about my average run speeds were Interesting at best (calm water, I can cruise at 32-34 mph and prefer to do so if conditions allow). Over the course of the next several months, ran/learned from the following:

• After entering ICW at Vero, we had lots of slow zones up through Daytona, Ormond and Palm Coast. Ended that day in St. Augustine (200+ miles) with the first 120 run in under three hours, and the balance run in an added 6 hours;

• Ran from St Augustine to Fernandina Beach outside. Seas were such that we averaged only 25mph on that leg.

• Left the boat for several weeks at Fernandina, then ran to Hilton Head. Did this run outside and again, due to seas, averaged only 26mph.

• Had lots of great day cruises out of Hilton Head, then took off to Georgetown SC. Ran ICW from Hilton Head to Seabrook Island for fuel (took 2 hours). Average in the ICW was maybe 18mph. Following fuel stop, ran outside to Charleston had us up to about 25 mph, then inside again to Georgetown and an average of maybe 20 mph. ~135 miles took us over 10 hours to travel.

• Left Georgetown to go to Charleston and headed outside. Seas kicked up a fair bit and we were down to an average of 18 mph dock to dock.

• Departing Charleston for Hilton Head, stayed in the ICW. LOTS of slow zones, and trip took us well over 7 hours for an average of under15 mph.

• Left the boat in Hilton Head for several weeks and got a chance to take a run to St. Simons Island. Outside on the way for an average speed of about 28 mph; return had a little rough weather so came inside at St Catherine. From there north to Hilton Head, LOTS of slow zones. Average for the run was maybe 16 mph, but the last half (inside) was killer slow.

• When time to head south, left Hilton Head (just ahead of Hurricane Danielle). Tried outside, but was already hitting 5-7’s so went inside from Hilton Head to Palm Coast. Departed Hilton Head at 9 am, stopped for fuel at Fernandina and pulled into slip in Palm Coast at 10pm. 13 hours and covered just over 210 miles.

• From Palm Coast had planned I would get to Palm Beach. Danielle was destined to keep me inside and had the unfortunate luck to have the ICW closed just south of Ponce Inlet (someone put a bomb in a park at Edgewater and the Coasties/Sheriff were not allowing any boats to pass). Sat at anchor for four hours and ended the day at Titusville. Avg speed was not worth calculating.

• Left the boat in Titusville for a week then ran to Palm Beach. Inside to Sebastian Inlet, outside to Ft Piece (stop for fuel), inside to St Lucie and outside to Lake Worth. ~120 miles and dock to dock was over 8 hours.

• Next run was to West End (Bahamas) to clear customs and then to Great Harbor Cay (north end of Berry Islands). Run was ~150 miles and, including clearing customs and fuel stop, dock to dock was over 8 hours.

• Next leg was to Nassau – quick 75 mile run. Other boat we were traveling with encountered mechanical issues and what we thought should be 3 hours became 6 hours.

Boat is still in Nassau with plans to spend a few more days end of October in the Bahamas and then on to Key West and then back to Ft Myers.
So what have I learned in living my dream, let me offer the following:

• You will be lucky to achieve 50% of what you optimistically think you can run each day. I “planned” pit stops worthy of Indy (in terms of how long I thought it would take), underestimated the amount of down throttle for speed zones and boat traffic/docks; and, try as I wanted, could not control the weather or other items (like the “bomber” that caused the ICW to close).

• Your plans must be filled with tons of contingencies. I studied the charts and marina listings well enough that I knew where I had options to come in or go out and made lots of use of the cell phone checking out marina selections based on what I really was going to achieve for the day vs. what I hoped for.

• Traveling when I did (slow season for FL) made things easier as I had only one instance where I could not find a slip where/when I wanted along the way.

• Having a boat is worth every bit of it’s expenses and all the missed expectation of my plans. Scenery was awesome all along the way, everyone ended with a greater appreciation of the boat (the admiral got up to four consecutive nights on the boat, the girls had a great time when we all got together for the Hilton Head timeframes) and people on the water are 99% of the time great.

Fortunately, my dream is still “in process”. Looking forward to the final leg(s) to get the boat back to Ft Myers, with great ideas of fresh fish/lobster in the Bahamas and snorkeling in the Keys before we get home. If you are even considering the dream, my advice would be loosen up on the schedule, be a bit more flexible on how quickly you plan to arrive and go for it!
 
Take your best calculation re time and money and double it. Winter is coming on so double it again.
 
Your idea is quite sound. You go for a few days and fly back or rent a car and drive back. There are marinas all along the way that would love to park your boat for as long as you wish.

The trick is to stop at places that are close to transportation. Nags Head is not one of them.

I have always enjoyed the actual traveling so much as to not need to stop at any of the tourist places for long.
 
I am also considering a similar trip. I am on Lake Ontario and have made the canal run to the Hudson before.

I would like to go from NYC to Miami. Is there a good resource for this trip, something like the canal guide, for this trip. Is there a trip planner, or web page that chronicles the stops along the way, or gives more info on which portions are offshore vs ICW/inland?

I really don't know anything about the waters outside of NYS. I don't really know how to plan for the trip, what reservations to make, what to avoid, what not to miss, etc... I don't even know how much time to allow as the only information I have is watching Pascal, and my boat is significantly smaller, which may impact my route.

We rountinely run 100+ mile days on Lake Onatrio, Rochester to Alex Bay for instance. It isnt uncommon to go in 5' seas, although it does get old after awhile, and it is exhausting.
 
I meant to add that we usually go slow, hull speed if possible on most runs.
 
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Originally posted by rbmitchell

Your idea is quite sound. You go for a few days and fly back or rent a car and drive back. There are marinas all along the way that would love to park your boat for as long as you wish...............




Sure it is. Many folks do this. Some folks do the great loop this way.

There's nothing to be gained from just moving the boat unless you need to get the boat somewhere. Take it slow and enjoy the ride.

I'm beginning to realize that I get about three times the fuel economy by traveling at 2,000 RPM compared to 3,000 or a little higher. That puts me at about 7 knots at slack current. On the ICW around here, that's anywhere from 5 knots to 9 knots depending on the current on any section of the waterway.

With that in mind, I figure about 60 miles per day, more or less or one hour's car ride equals on day's boat ride.

Hundreds, if not thousands of "snowbirders" take their boats south each fall and north each spring on the ICW. There are books, websites, and even DVDs on the subject.

Plan it, then do it.

BTW: "Outside", you see nothing but water and more water. Pretty boring, I would think. On the ICW, there are towns, marinas, wildlife and other things to see. You are also in more sheltered waters. I would recommend the ICW where possible.
 
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Hundreds, if not thousands of "snowbirders" take their boats south each fall and north each spring on the ICW. There are books, websites, and even DVDs on the subject.

Plan it, then do it.






Any Links or names of these resources? This sounds like what I am looking for.
 
I have made the run from Prince Edward Island to Ft Lauderdale twice and also picked up my present boat in Point Pleasant NJ and brought it home thru the Hudson and Erie Canal system.
I loved both trips and found that we were travellng in bunches of similar snowbirds especially thru the NYS systems.
All the charts are downloadble from NOAA and there is lots of info online.
 
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Originally posted by patwulf

• When time to head south, left Hilton Head (just ahead of Hurricane Danielle). Tried outside, but was already hitting 5-7’s so went inside from Hilton Head to Palm Coast. Departed Hilton Head at 9 am, stopped for fuel at Fernandina and pulled into slip in Palm Coast at 10pm. 13 hours and covered just over 210 miles.

• From Palm Coast had planned I would get to Palm Beach.





Next time you're in Palm Coast give me a shout. I live about 5 minutes from the marina.

Bob
 
I have lots of charts and books that I won't be using anymore. If interested I'll sell them I live in Toronto
 
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