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Originally posted by Billylll

Volvo 4 cylinder diesels should be as reliable as 6 cylinder diesels if they are run within the engine limits and properly propped.






I'm still missing the $20K+ that says you are talking from principle, not practice.

Just the "simple" process of re-fitting of drive plates will inform you that there is a bit more involved than horsepower calculations on a 4 cylinder machine as compared to the 6. Those two extra cylinders can really matter in spreading the load in some situations as a sort of buffer. Not all, but some. While some might get lucky, some (me) will get unlucky. Well, actually luck had nothing to do with it. Mine were defective the day they were built, so were a number of 6 cylinders but their casualty rate was demonstrably lower in the same design than the 4.

I can tell you my engines were never overloaded and had the Pyro/boost data to prove it long before I paid a metallurgist to cut a piston in half and make some other conclusions before we found the data Volvo themselves published that gave away the secret to what was going on after 3 rebuilds by the same dealer.

So, in short NO, a 4 cylinder diesel is not always as reliable as a 6 if taken care of and not over propped in real life. That's all interesting from a mechanical perspective, but the real conclusion is to never trust Volvo with your hard earned cash.

Everybody who makes engines has issues from time to time, just a part of complex machinery. What really matters is how they step up when they do have issues. The support network and how it is managed is far and away more important than the engineering itself. THAT is the real problem.
 
Hey vided, not to hijack your thread, but what ever happened to that low life dockmaster at Half Moon Bay who got arrested for stealing snow skis upstate?
 
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Originally posted by Ghost

Diesels like this are not going to go anywhere near 20K hours, or even 20K gallons of fuel. Sorry to pick on you, but I get rattled any time I hear somebody reference the diesel life span myth. It once might have been true on a workboat, not a recreational boat that sits, but modern turbo diesels are not the same animal. Good engines, sure, but still lets not compare to an old school naturally aspirated engine that is not asked to deliver close to its potential, and is also in a setting that gets daily attention.

Biggest issue with Volvo? If the dealer decides Volvo is not supporting them, as a customer Volvo will not support you and the customer gets screwed with full knowledge of Volvo. For that reason alone I would never own one again. I think the engineering is cool, but best admired on someone else's boat without the personal risk.





I have read many stories about John Deere and Lugger even a few Lehman diesels that will do that time with the proper maintenance. I'm not talking about modern high rpm turbo diesels. I'm talking about heavy iron low RPM diesels.

I didn't endorse Volvo diesels in my comments above, in fact I thought I mentioned that parts and mechanics are pretty expensive when it comes to Volvo diesels be it 4 or 6 cylinder models.

Bill
 
If you see a boat you like, diesel, gas ips, or what ever. Make an offer if someone wants to get rid of his boat for what ever reason he will. I seen people hold on to there boats for years because of a 10 to 20 thousands difference. Mean while he is paying marina cost, yearly cost 5 to 10 thousands boat gets older and not being used. Instead of selling his boat at his price $100,000 he sells it 5 years later for $50,000. Some one offered him $80,000 when he first put the boat on market but he wanted $100,000 so who lost. So smart people who are really trying to sell realize the cost of boating and when some one nibbles they will take it.
 
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