Recall for 1997-2007 350 & 360 Mariners

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Anyone else know about this / have the repair done?

Just found out about it, called dealer, Carver is covering the expense of the repair (minus the dealer's $99 lake call charge).

http://www.uscgboating.org/recalls/recalls_detail.aspx?id=060049s

ISOLATION BULKHEAD FORWARD OF THE ENGINE & FUEL TANK COMPARTMENTS NOT COMPLETELY SEALED. IF A FUEL LEAK OCCURS GASOLINE VAPORS MAY PASS INTO COMPARTMENTS WITH NON-IGNITION PROTECTED EQUIPMENT. POSSIBLE FIRE OR EXPLOSION. HINS BETWEEN CDRR8001G697 - CDRS8194E607.
 
The Dealers $99.00 Lake Call Charge? What the heck is that? A sevice call fee of some sort?
 
I haven't heard of this recall yet, Carver must've forgot about us. They charge you a fee to come fix your boat? Are we the only one's that don't charge?
 
Pretty crummy, eh? It seems to be standard operating procedure around here. It's 20 miles or so from my marina to the dealer - I didn't buy my boat at this dealer (I bought it used), they just became the new Carver dealer last year.

$99 just to SHOW UP...not to turn a wrench. Just to show up. Then you get charged for wrench turning, which is why I do my own service - except for something like this.
 
Damn...we're in Cleveland and travel, free of charge, to our customers in Detroit, mid state PA, western New York, Cincinati...where ever we sold the boat to. It's not like we are surprised it's there. Also, for customers who may have relocated or purchased a used boat that is still under warranty, we do the same.
 
Buddha, thanks for alerting everyone to this recall.

And Kenny, thanks for being a really good representative for the Carver product and service :) !!!
 
Kenny - sounds like you guys are a class act! Could you find out a little more about this fix, meaning, exactly what is the fix? Using a sealant, etc?

Pete - welcome - I'll let you know how it goes. The dealer just faxed over the "lake call authorization form" - you know, the one where they want my credit card # so they can charge me...sheesh. My boat is far from being in warranty though (it's a '99).
 
This is LONG - a free beer to anyone who reads ALL of it!! Provided that you come by my slip though!

Just a little follow-up on this and my dealing with the local dealer, the Slalom Shop, Lewisville, TX.

I didn't exactly come away from the phone conversation with "warm fuzzies" - even though I'm having a recall item fixed I'm still responsible for the "lake charge" of $98...and of course, they add "shop supplies" to it, it's only a few bucks, but hey, it ALL adds up....call the service dept and get a guy named Bill (wonder if he's the same Bill that used to run Phil Dill's svc dept??)...he's a little combative about the shop supplies, so I asked him "what would you do if you were in my shoes?"

His response was "I'd just pay it" - !!! ok, yeah...he said "it's no different than taking your car in for service, they all charge you for shop supplies" - So, using his logic I countered with "sure, that's understandable, but when you go in for warranty work you don't pay the shop supplies, do you?" He begrudgingly agreed to take that amount off of the bill, I thanked him for that.

Well, to get a boat dealer to come work on your boat they have you sign a "lake call authorization form" which is fine with me...except one little tidbit - "location of boat keys" - I don't keep my keys on the boat, I know of folks who've joyrided/stolen boats due to that oversight....I keep a lanyard with keys, gate key, fuel key, etc. on it, so I don't lose it, when I go to the lake it goes with me, always has, always will.

I ask Bill to have the tech call me when he's a few minutes away from showing up to work on it. I tell him that I've got an expensive boat and I would like to keep it where it is. He responds with "well, I've got one or two myself" (so now this is a pi$$ing match?) I congratulate him for having two boats, but that I'd like to keep things under MY control and I again ask him to have the tech call me.

Bill says "no, we don't give out our tech's cell phone numbers"

me "I don't want his phone number, I'd like him to call me for access"

Bill "we don't give out our tech's phone numbers, we don't tell people our schedule, we don't have a set schedule"

me "I'm not asking for your schedule, just a courtesy call when the tech sets foot on the docks, I'm 5 minutes away"

Bill "we don't give out our tech's phone numbers, we don't tell people our schedule, we don't have a set schedule, if he were to call you then you'd have his number"

me "he could call me from the marina office, I'm not looking for your tech's number, you understand?" (apparently their techs must have a history of being stalked?????)

Bill "I could write that down on the service order but I don't think he'll do that"

me "I'm not asking for anything out of the ordinary that any other dealer or service company wouldn't do for me"

Bill "well I guess we're different"

me "yes, you sure are, Listen - I'd like to think that you'd want to make a good impression with me, being that you are the new Carver dealer and I've not dealt with you guys yet" (he glossed over/ignored that, apparently good impressions are not part of the Slalom Shop way)

Bill "you can leave the key with the marina office and our tech can get it from them"

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Anyway, sorry for the long post - but that's probably the least helpful service person I've ever dealt with. Feel free to share this with others, even their management, I may do that myself. And for what it's worth, the marina manager will be calling me to deliver the key when the tech checks in.
 
We provide our techs with company cell phones and they are more than happy to call before arriving...he!!, they'll even let you watch. I found out a little about this recall...it's actually a little old and requires foam to fill the voids in the bulkhead...Ours are all done...at the customers marinas...no charge...not even shop supplies..LOL
 
Buddha, that dealer sounds pretty scary. I think I'd RUN to another one. Why can't these places be more like Kenny's - nice people and no hassle? Why does everything have to be a big pain in the a$$ - sure takes the "pleasure" out of pleasure boating!!!

If some of these people don't catch on soon this industry is going right down the tubes...
 
Kenny - I used to live in Cleveland, up until I was 14 - I gotta tell you, I wish I lived there now and could have a dealer like the one you work at!! Well, the winters drove me crazy, love being in the South - but you guys have many cool places to boat to! Friends of ours two slips down used to live in Cleveland and they were regulars at Put In Bay/Crews Nest, etc...

Does the tech have to get into the salon area for this fix or can it all be done from the engine room hatches (the cockpit area)?

Pete - trust me, I'd like to have another dealer do this, only one Carver dealer in this area, the next nearest one is 4 hours (or more) away. If I don't get satisfaction from the Slalom Shop I'll be calling Carver directly. I should point out that I do my own maintenance/service so I'm not typically at the mercy of the dealer.
 
Brad...I didn't do any of the work myself, but I believe it is all accessable from the cockpit.
 
Brad, I am sorry for your plight. Well at least you're doing better than me. NO Carver dealer around here would ever even touch MY boat. If its not built after about 1990 and/or is 35 feet long or bigger they could care less around here. So my little old 1980 Mariner is fixed exclusively by me and no one else. In fact, I'm not even sure I'd trust any mechanic around me with this boat. None of them are used to Ford engines, and none of them have much experience with balsa cored hull bottoms. I didn't even use a surveyor when I bought mine (and I personally know and highly recommend several on BoaterEd including the Surveyor Forum moderator) simply because of anybody I know I personally have the most experience with a boat like mine in terms of what to look for. Sometimes there's just nobody around but yourself to tackle certain issues...
 
I hear you Pete. Our marina ha an on-site marine service facility (not a dealer, just a service shop/boatyard), but I'd rather not let them touch/move my boat unless it's absolutely necesary, based on where my boat is (my slip) I see how they treat boats when they work on them/move them.
 
and none of them have much experience with balsa cored hull bottoms.

The Sea Ray dealer does. :-)
 
LOL, good one, Kenny. I could just see going to Surfside 3 in NYC and asking them to fix my 1980 Carver!!!

But you're right, SR kept those balsa bottoms a lot longer than Carver did!!!

BTW a brand I sell for, Sunsation Boats, STILL uses balsa cored hulls and bottoms! I spoke at length to the company co-founder though, and he was very, very confident that if properly done you can do great things with balsa. Since Sunsation is essentially a custom shop (~80 boats per year) they take the necessary care to properly impregnate the wood and ensure no water intrusion. And balsa has a lot of strength for its weight so its a great choice for a high performance boat, and it helps make Sunsation one of the best performing boats in the industry. But a company like Sea Ray or Carver, with their mass production techniques, is much better staying away from it...

Oh, and this past weekend I was replacing my galley faucet and had the sink and drawers out. It was rather strange to look down and see all these squares in the hull bottom and sides - you can see the squares of balsa wood through the translucent fiberglass skin!!! Carver didn't bother to paint the hull under the galley, which is why it is so visible. Its actually quite informative and interesting to look at, if a tad disconcerting!!!
 
I've seen those squares Pete...very odd to see. Cruisers Yachts is going back to all balsa cored hulls. They put "windows" in where they mount thru hull/bolts, etc. and also where they want the dealer to mount things. A "window" is an area where they leave out the balsa so if a fitting leaks, it is not getting into the balsa coring. They also stop a few inches from the top and seal that off too (near the hull/deck joint) so if the joint leaks, no water gets in.
 
That's quite a ballsy move on their part. I hope it works out for them. The Sunsation folks told me that they have never had anything to worry about as long as they completely impregnate the balsa with resin. I am not sure if they use epoxy or polyester. I know that ever since I switched to exclusively using epoxy resin on my boat repairs I haven't had a problem either. Polyester tended to delaminate and let the water in, which is what killed a lot of those old Carvers like mine...
 
Brad thanks for the tip on the Recall. What's up with the dealer, I would have absolutely lost it on them. You should send a note to Carver, I would hope they'd care about the awful service some of their dealers provide.

I'm going to call our dealer now and see what happens - I sure hope my experience is better.

I still am trying to figure out how to get a replacement seat cover for the bridge aft seat. Dealer in Michigan says they will charge me $360 - but not sure how to ship it to me. Dealer in Ontario says $510. Sounds like Ontario dealer is marking it up a lot more - cause shipping and duty can't be $150. Can it?
 
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