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I haven't been up that way for awhile but I read occasionally in the Bay and Delta Yachtsman about some waterfront development in the Stockton deepwater channel. What, if anything, is going on up there?

DBH
 
We took a cruise to the dead end of the channel a few weeks ago.

It will be a marina when it is complete. Lots of pilings, but no structures yet. The pics in the ads for it are CGI.

LOTS of dead fish and funky smells coming from the water. The fish were a combo of shad, catfish and a few stipers. Sad.

We've spent many nights tied up to the Warehouse docks over the years. We purchased one of our boats from the S/R dealer when he was there. The german restaurant and the fish place as well as the yogurt shop were our favorites.

We said a "prayer" as we passed by the old location of the Catfish Cafe. We went to dinner there after I asked my wife to marry me. I also share a few cold ones with Hal on the patio there too (not the same night! LOL).

And as a total coincidence, on our way home from Tahoe one early evening, we decided to stop at the Catfish for dinner. We noticed a few servers standing near the landing. We thought they were early for work. As we approached them, they had a funny look on their faces. The place was closed! Yep, that was the day that they shut down.

A sad day, indeed.
 
They have made a lot of progress in the last few weeks. There are docks attached to many of the pilings and the "roof" made of some kind of fabric panels that mirror the covering on the amphitheater on Weber Point are in place on many of the docks as well. I'm guessing the docks in front of the warehouse will go in soon (if they haven't gone in since I was last down there) since brokerage boats from Bay Yachts are currently moored at Weber Point where activities related to the Asparagus Festival usually take place in about 3 weeks. The docks in front of the minor league baseball stadium are also supposed to be open this summer as well, so you'll be able to boat to a baseball game.
 
Docks with fabric roofs. What a wonderful, maintainence intensive finish to a horribly mis-managed, wildly over-hyped "redevelopment". Instead of a quick re-build of a prior, trashed out marina, the City of Stockton decided to waste tons of money and an entire decade trying to make everyone happy. As a result, they will now be trying to fill docks in a recession, instead of having them up and going, and full, in the boom times.

Because of the delay, now EVERYONE has developed dining and entertainment habits that DO NOT include downtown Stockton, and likely never will. Instead, this previously much-needed and much wanted development will rot on the vine for most of the next decade, and, like almost every government run project, will fall apart before it's lifetime ends.

Watching this potentially desirable location languish has totally convinced me that Stockton has the downtown it deserves, and there is little sense in me trying to help it along with my business. When I was newer to the Delta, I was interested in spending time in Downtown Stockton, but they weren't interested in me. Now, it's too late--I've learned to have fun elsewhere.

(And don't get me started on the Stockton City Manager that managed to get himself arrested for a barroom disturbance over eating the bartender's olives--and how the Stockton City Council put up with his shenanigans.)

BTG
 
Wow. That's a pretty harsh assessment of things. IMO, fabric panels suspended over the slips were a good compromise. The landowners along the channel understandably didn't want metal sheds blocking their view of the water, so the fabric covers (which are elevated higher than a normal shed roof) provide shade without being the eyesore/view blocker that metal sheds would have been and tie into nearby existing structures. The other realistic alternative would have been open slips, which wouldn't be preferable to me at least. The fabric covers over the amphitheater still look good after several (5-6?) years.

If the Marina had been built earlier, it would have been substantially bigger than it turned out, which would be an even bigger problem in the long run if the downturn in boating is long-term as many predict. I like dining out at other places in the Delta as well, but when finished the experience downtown should be a unique one with several restaurants to choose from within walking distance as well as the arena and ballpark.
 
I agree Eric, I am looking forward to boating into the restaurants again on the waterfront. I may even try one of the ball games. It would make a nice time on the water to go to dinner, and cruise across and dock and go to a ball game. by the way when is it supposed to be finished?
I have lived around Stockton most of my life, and down town is the best it has ever looked.
 
dvan - I'm not sure on the exact completion date, but a Ports employee told me the docks are supposed to be up and running this summer. The last time I was down there, the docks were in place, but didn't look finished. There is quite a bit of space too. It runs along a good part of the waterfront in front of the stadium. Downtown is definitely looking a *lot* better than when I moved here in 98. There wasn't many reasons to go downtown back then.
 
To heck with the desent over the waterfront, I want to know more about the City Councilman and the great olive fiasco...what happened. Here in Fresno, we only have city officials involved with hookers and under the table payoffs but never anything to do with olives.

DBH
 
The former city manager was at a bar in the foothills (Arnold?), and went into "do you know who I am" mode after having a run-in with the bartender over the olives on the bar and ended up getting arrested. He was the force behind the downtown redevelopment, and acted like a bull in a china shop without much oversight from the city council much of the time. He finally wore out his welcome and was forced out after agreeing to pay Neil Diamond $1M to play at the grand opening celebration at the downtown arena, which resulted in a huge loss to the city when people didn't line up to pay thousands for the prime seats on the floor. In hindsight, especially with the current financial situation of the city, some of the decisions made (financial guarantees to businesses that located downtown in particular)look pretty foolish, but downtown was transformed from a place many people never visited to a place you'd go to see a movie, watch a sporting event, or go to dinner, so there's some good along with the bad.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060118/NEWS01/601180336 is a good summary of some of what went on.
 
"Lewis was arrested in a barroom scuffle at the Swiss Hotel in Sonoma. He and Kate Post, executive director of the Stockton Asparagus Festival, were asked to leave the bar after Post declined to stop plucking olives from a tray of garnishes, witnesses said. Lewis, who witnesses said lunged at the bar, was arrested on a misdemeanor charge of resisting arrest. He agreed to enroll in a counseling program to avoid prosecution. Lewis, who married Post in 2005, has said it was a misunderstanding."

Yea gotta love a colorful politician! LOL

quoted from the above referenced article......
 
The next problem for this "marina" is that absolutely NO FUNDS are allocated for running and maintaining the marina! They expect the slip fees to handle 100% of this. That will make the slips too expensive for anyone to want to rent one, IMHO. And fewer boats are going to need a slip anyway. Very short sighted me thinks.
 
Can you imagine, the city manager, waking up the next morning and saying....."I did what??"..."it didn't make the papers did it?" Must have been a long day after that episode.

DBH
 
Gee, Lewis got Neil Diamond? Maybe he wasn't so bad, after all.... No. He really was that bad, in no small part because he shoved boating down to the bottom of the list. Face it, the marina is getting done last. He exemplifies the politicians who think the waterfront should be "pristine", without messy things like docks.

And as for the concept that dock expenditures should be paid for from dockage receipts, every privately run marina in the Delta does it that way. Only by starting with an assumption of total incompetence at marina management do you get to the point where you think dockage rates need to be tax-subsidized. Stockton could easily have found several marina companies willing to long term lease, build, and run a downtown marina with a net positive cash flow to the city. But no, these arrogant [you know whats] insisted on doing it themselves--and spent a decade, and lost two economic booms, in the process!

I may seem harsh, but I'm tired of politicians who make political hay by attacking and inconveniencing those recreational activities which they think represent the "affluent", particularly boating and golf. In both of these areas, we routinely see private enterprises compete with public facilities. The private entities survive, while the politicians loot the funds of the public facilities, hire their dumb cronies to run them, and complain that they are supporting the rich. It won't be long until the Stockton pols start complaining about the marina they already wrecked in the design process. (And BTW, large marinas are more efficient than small marinas--shrinking the marina size didn't make the situation better, it made it worse.)

BTG
 
Lewis sounds like a real ass-hat. Neil Diamond? Outside of Las Vegas, that has been lounge act hasn't been relevant for 40 years. And then you expect to sell $1 million plus in tickets? Obviously he did not consult anyone who knew about event promotions and decided this on his own like he has everything else.

But he's not the only one to blame. The City Council let him run amok and failed to do anything about it until it was too late. And from what I remember in an article I read about Lewis, he already had an established his reputation and all the baggage that came with it. So it's not like they didn't have any warning.

I will say that the downtown area is a marked improvement over what it was before the renovation. Even if it resulted in bankrupting the city.
 
Expenses related to redevelopment are a pretty small part of the budget relatively speaking. Actually everything is relatively small other than fire and police, which is 70% of the budget. Falling tax revenues combined with programs created when tax revenues were booming like giving some employees the ability to retire at 100% of take home pay in their early 50s are what are causing problems in Stockton as well as a lot of other CA cities. Give politicians extra tax revenue to play with and they'll find something dumb to do with it.
 
Yes, Stockton really screwed up a fun place. We used to love staying at the Holiday Inn and going to the Castaways, as well as walking down to Onlock Sams. Those were fun days, albiet over 40 years ago. And etyppo hit the nail on the head, the great vacuum of our time and our kids future that nobody wants to face. Country wide, it is impediment to a real economic recovery. When any and all public employees, that is teachers, fireman, county employees, city and state, any kind of employee that is paid by the public/ taxpayer, makes a wage greater than the average taxpayer, and moreover is promised a pension beyond that, there is no chance that the country can recover. A severe alignment is going to happen down the road, and the real question is when? The probem is us and we we all have to recognize it. People won't be able to retire but will have to work until death.
 
This is interesting - I have never heard the story. On the few times I have driven to the marina area, I always wondered why/how an area with such potential for a great boating destination could be so "under-utilized". I guess politics explains it - what a bummer!
Jim
 
dugsboat, we need to get rid of the unions. They are the ones bankrupting this country and the politicians are in their pockets.
 
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