Swim platform bracket

ALKA2710

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The center bracket that holds my swim platform came off of the transom. It appears that the screw heads sheared off and the screw shanks are still in the transom about an 8th or 16th of an inch below the surface of the gelcoat. It was suggested that I just leave them in since they are to small to extract and just move the bracket over a little which is a good idea. what is the best way to fill this gap, should I just use 5200 since the bracket will still cover it or should I use gelcoat and fill it. I want to make sure it stays water tight. Any suggestions. Can I drill them out and than just reuse the holes. Or just go with my fill and go idea.
Al
 
drilling out the broken end will be hard as the drill will walk. I would seal over the screw holes and slide over a little with new screws.
 
The trouble with screws is that they will likely cause water to get into the transom. Nobody goes this cheap route and goes thru the trouble to seal the screws. Swim platforms should be thru-bolted anyway. That way the hole can be sealed.

What you do about water in the transom is up to you.
 
They make a hollow screw extractor that drills around the screw shaft. Use one of those and then bevel the lips and fill the holes with epoxy.
 
Seal the holes with 5200. (as you suggested) Scoot over a little and use SS cap head bolts. Seal them with 5200 also. While you're at it replace any other screws that are in the swimdeck and transom. Just as jtyb15 stated, no manufacturer who uses this method of fastening brackets near the water line would bother to use a sealer. Now is the time for some preventative maintenance.
 
sealing over with 5200 is a shortcut and a good way to lose the transom completely. Get the screws out and fill the holes with resin. The screws likley failed because they are stainless. Can't use that as it will fail from crevice corrosion. Use Bronze.

For something with as much tension as a swimstep, you can't rely on sealant which unless it bonded to really clean material, will leak eventually, 5200 included. The fasteners need to be thru bolted. But before you do so, since most transoms are going to be cored if they can support a swimstep is to protect that core. Very likely the core is wood as you need strength. So over drill the holes fill with thickened epoxy (if the wood is dry and neither wet or already turned to mush). Don't take shortcuts by just filling with the thick, paint the wood with thin epoxy first, then fill with peanut butter thick mixture. When the epoxy sets up, drill the smaller proper size fasterner hole in the epoxy, leaving a plug of epoxy around the hole to protect the core even if the fastener leaks. Personally I'd use 3m 101 to bed, as swimstep hardware is notorious for needing to come apart every now and then. Given the possible movement a full time sealant has an easier time staying flexible and sealed than a sealant/adhesive too.

Whoever used screws here really screwed you. Completely inappropriate fastener. You can carefully use a small hole saw to overdrill around the screws, but you will have to do so without a pilot bit in the middle.

Very high likelihood with failing screws that your core has gotten wet. You can't do anything until you get it dry. Not easy. If you seal it up wet, it will rot.
 
I agree with Ghost. Don't use 5200. You want something in those holes that will harden (5200 won't) and be a permanent, water tight repair.
 
Holy cow. The boat came from the factory this way. I bought it new its a 2007 Chaparral. If I use a hole saw do I have to go all the way through. Now looking to take a sort cut want it fixed right. Not sure I would be able to get behind the engines to put a bolts through. Any tricks to that. I have twin engines. The other 2 brackets also have the same screws.
Al
 
The top part of the swim platform is thru bolted to the transom. It is the brackets below the waterline that is broke. Is this supposed to be thru bolted also.
Al
 
Made my repair with 5200, cap bolts, fender and lock washers on the inside of the transom in 1999. Everything was still solid last time I checked.
Since the screws were below the waterline on your boat, the transom core has for sure gotten wet.. There is no end to how much time and $$ you can put into this repair. The others are right. Making a clean, solid foundation for the repair is preferred. If you want to go one step farther and really do it right you can pull the engines, start chiseling the fiberglass from the inside to expose any damp core material. . . . . where do you want to stop ?
 
Reaching behind engines can be a pain. Often you can find tricks to get a washer and a nut onto a screw though. If not.....

The tough part here is to determine if and how much of the wood core has become wet and also dry it out. Usually I would recommend drilling test holes FROM THE INSIDE, into the core material but not all the way though the outside gel coat. You get core samples and can tell how far the water in the core has spread and can then easily just fill the test holes in less than 5 minutes when you get done. In your case, you may not be able to do this given the engine location.

If you really want to do it right, well, I think you see where this is going. If below the water line maybe you drill holes from the outside, since you can just paint over later. You could try a moisture meter, but watch out for the large number of operators who think they can just take an absolute reading on the guage. Or...There is an infrared type camera that does a GREAT job of seeing into the laminate. This might be the best option if you can find one. I believe it was Bob Austin who did this.

Or...you can just pull the engines, which if you can't get to the transom any other way, might be the answer anyway.

BTW, I thought I'd more publicly state that the opinions you have received to just "move the bracket" and leave the screws are downright scary. It's this level of incompetence that is the root of core failures. The fact that the manufacturer installed the brackets the way they did is near criminal. The suggestions of the inappropriate use of adhesives are equally scary. It's bad enough to pull stunts with 5200 on your own boat, but absolutely irresponsible to suggest such a thing on someone elses boat.

The good news? Since the boat is a 2007, you have a very very good chance that your core is nothing more than a little wet. Wet plywood can last a lot longer than you might think. When completely submerged it actually does not rot very quickly. It's when it starts to dry that problems start. When that oxygen gets in there and mold spores start to grow is when things go bad. When the moisture SLOWLY wicks to dryer areas and in return the dryer areas contribute air, that slow process is what will cause the mush effect. Which is why drying the core is so important. You really realy really don't want to just seal that moisture in. However a few core holes, a little time with a heat gun and a few days with a box fan will accomplish more than you might otherwise think possible. If the area is small, a few hours with a heat gun will actually do it. Anything that got wet or even a little damp I'd treat with CPES too, just to make sure. It will seal and kill any mold spores in the case that it ever see's a little water again, having those mold spores already present can accelerate a future failure. Once treated with CPES, it will be better than new if the wood structure is still good.

Now...the repair itself is not at all difficult or timely. The question for you is access to it. In years past I spent a lot of time working around engines, even dismantling key pieces such as manifolds to gain access to areas around the engine. That is, until I discovered that I could unhook an engine in less than two hours and the marina lift could then pick it right out of the hatch in less than an hours bill time. Depends upon each boat, but if your engines have easy hatch access, sometimes we spend days working around what otherwise is only a couple hours work in the mistaken belief that pulling an engine is always a big deal. Sometimes its the littlest deal.
 
Wow Ghost that is some reply. Thanks. It gave me that before a car crash feeling in my stomach but thanks anyway. I will try the moisture meeter first and see how that goes. Than I will drill out the screw shanks with a small hole saw and see it there is any moiture.
Al
 
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