Vessel documentation.

Walter my dealer did the same and at the time I had no idea what a documented vessel was. I agree in NJ not having numbers on the hull will make you a target. I remember reading an article that the CG had to get a Federal judge to send the State of NJ DMV a letter telling them the law Mike and Pascal are talking about.
I realize now the boat was documented because I had a note (loan) on it. I paid the loan off last year 12 years early. I have a NJ title and a letter from the bank saying the loan was satisfied. Perhaps I will just drop the federal documentation is there any real reason to have it still documented guys?
Bill
 
Walter -
problem is, in NY anyway, Once a boat is documented, the documentation # becomes the reg #. Documentation # is 7 numerals (for me,anyway), and NO LETTERS - - the reg format is 2 letter state abbreviation, space, 4 numerals, space, and 2 LETTERS.

IF you have a documented boat registered in NY, you do not have the proper format of reg ID to put letters on the hull. . ...

Bill - a boat cannot have both a title AND documentation - - sounds like NJDMV is as ignorant as NYDMV!!!!
 
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Walter -
problem is, in NY anyway, Once a boat is documented, the documentation # becomes the reg #. Documentation # is 7 numerals (for me,anyway), and NO LETTERS - - the reg format is 2 letter state abbreviation, space, 4 numerals, space, and 2 LETTERS.

IF you have a documented boat registered in NY, you do not have the proper format of reg ID to put letters on the hull. . ...

Bill - a boat cannot have both a title AND documentation - - sounds like NJDMV is as ignorant as NYDMV!!!!

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Yes I have a mess and NJ insists the boat is a vessel my documented and State numbers do not match. It's actually not funny but I remember actually paying for the service when I bought the boat off a well known broker Ted and finance house (they do boats Swaun Funding Group) for this mess.
Bill
 
Got it from one of the members at SOC Mike. You were right, its CFR 173, part 33. Clearly states that the owner of a vessel that becomes documented, SHALL remove the state Number from the boat. Thanks. Crystal clear, no state numbers to remain on documented vessels. Not an option.
 
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Originally posted by Billylll

Walter my dealer did the same and at the time I had no idea what a documented vessel was. I agree in NJ not having numbers on the hull will make you a target. I remember reading an article that the CG had to get a Federal judge to send the State of NJ DMV a letter telling them the law Mike and Pascal are talking about.
I realize now the boat was documented because I had a note (loan) on it. I paid the loan off last year 12 years early. I have a NJ title and a letter from the bank saying the loan was satisfied. Perhaps I will just drop the federal documentation is there any real reason to have it still documented guys?
Bill

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If you travel in and out of foreign waters it is less of a hassle to you. No idea about NJ, but here in Rhody it is infinitely easier to register a boat if it is documented than not documented.

No idea why, but I get a small insurance break for it being documented as well.
 
www.usps.org/national/vsc/policies_files/vesselreg.pdf

To be on the safe side I copied this and will keep it in my document binder on the boat.

Bob
 
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Originally posted by walterv

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We have a convoluted law or requirement that anyone you ask that should know (see above posts) cannot give you a straight defined answer (no black or white answer).
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Sorry, it was a busy weekend or I'd have gotten back to it sooner. It is in fact in plain black and white, crystal clear, in 33 CFR 173. Not sure where the confusion stems from, aside from those wishing to do as they please anyhow so they can perceive themselves to be appeasing local authorities.

The law is quite clear. A documented vessel is assigned an official number, and MAY not show other numbers in lieu of such official number. It's tantamount to putting different plates on your car because you think a different plate number is less likely to draw attention. It will most likely catch up to you eventually. Database technology, as you know, is evolving at incredible speed, and delivers virtually real time results. I wouldn't want to be the owner nor operator of a vessel found to be showing bogus numbers.
 
That's the same analogy I used Mike: two different license plates on a car. I was told that was a ludicrous idea. NOT!
 
"Database technology, as you know, is evolving at incredible speed, and delivers virtually real time results."

That quote made me chuckle, here is why.

A while back, there was a link here on BE to the documentation part of the U.S. Coast Guard website. When I did a search by boat name and documentation #, my boat did not exist in their data base. I was actually happy about not having all that personal information on the internet.
 
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Originally posted by Good Grief

Walter -
problem is, in NY anyway, Once a boat is documented, the documentation # becomes the reg #. Documentation # is 7 numerals (for me,anyway), and NO LETTERS - - the reg format is 2 letter state abbreviation, space, 4 numerals, space, and 2 LETTERS.

IF you have a documented boat registered in NY, you do not have the proper format of reg ID to put letters on the hull. . ...

Bill - a boat cannot have both a title AND documentation - - sounds like NJDMV is as ignorant as NYDMV!!!!

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NJ registration is the same as NY. When I registered my boat and paid for my taxes and registration, the worker at NJDMV asked if it was a documented vessel, I said yes and produced the documentation. She replied, ok thanks and proceeded to inform me that my documentation numbers will be used as my registration numbers and also informed me not to attach these numbers on the vessel as I am documented. Just apply my registration sticker.
 
Sounds like you got 'one of the few' at a DMV that knows what's going on, Bob - - good for you! Having been down the Documentation AND Title road, I feel Bills' pain!

I eneded up re-registering the boat ('cuz the reg, issued by DMV, had the DMV title ID info on it), paying an additional registration fee, submitting a request to destroy the title (which included submitting the old reg stickers, old reg, title, copy of documentation - and a written statement as to 'why' the title needed to be destroyed). About 4 weeks later I got a new reg and a refund check for the reg fee. PITA - imho.

I wish NC Mike would have found that citation 6 years ago!!!
 
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