Will this meet the requirements?

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How can you tell when the handle isn't on which way the valve is set?

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I think the little rectangular peg that holds the handle in place is directionally the same as the handle, so it is easy to tell if the thru hull is open or not.
Anyway, I have heard of stories of the CG boys dumping red food coloring into the head and pumping it to see if any came out from under the boat when they thought the boat owner was being less than truthful.
 
I removed my handle today and placed it in the toolbox.

All under protest.

Left the nut on the shaft.

The "inspector" will need a mirror, and a way to get his face close enough to that valve or will have to remove the nut to determine the position of the valve.

Thanks to this Forum for the "tip"

RWS
 
I'll be damned if I'm gonna remove my nuts so an inspector can get his face close enough to tell. There's something inherently wrong with the need to do that.
 
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How can you tell when the handle isn't on which way the valve is set?

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...Anyway, I have heard of stories of the CG boys dumping red food coloring into the head and pumping it to see if any came out from under the boat when they thought the boat owner was being less than truthful.

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So if i read this correctly....the USCG "KNOWINGLY" performs an unlawful act that they are charged with enforcing in order to see if you "MAY" have also performed an unlawful act?

To the OP, the zip tie needs to go through the handle. On a routine check, that sufficed for me.

YMMV.
 
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Originally posted by cwms

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How can you tell when the handle isn't on which way the valve is set?

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...Anyway, I have heard of stories of the CG boys dumping red food coloring into the head and pumping it to see if any came out from under the boat when they thought the boat owner was being less than truthful.

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So if i read this correctly....the USCG "KNOWINGLY" performs an unlawful act that they are charged with enforcing in order to see if you "MAY" have also performed an unlawful act?

To the OP, the zip tie needs to go through the handle. On a routine check, that sufficed for me.

YMMV.

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I've only heard of it happening...can't say that it has actually happened.
As far as the "knowingly" part goes...the boat owner says he is legal and for whatever reason the coasties don't believe him but they don't know for sure until they see red dye comimg from under the boat. So, no, they are not "knowingly" doing an illegal discharge.
 
cwms is correct. Just looking at the valve peg from say 10 feet away and you can determine "On" or "Off". So, 1)remove the handle nut 2)remove the handle 3)put the handle in a drawer 4)replace the nut. THE END. Am I right? Hope so; 'cause that's what I did.
 
Drill a hole in the handle (there may already be under under the plastic) and run the wire tie through it or remove the handle and store it someplace where you won't lose it.

There are no valves on my system so I replaced the push button macerator (pump) switch with a key switch and I don't leave the key in the switch.
 
The dye thing is true. I'm docked very close to a LE station and they came over one day and asked if they could use my boat to make a training video on how to use the dye. I agreed. Try as we might, we couldn't get the dye to come out of the holding tank so they just dumped some dye in the water to simulate an infraction and make their video.
 
I hope you have that on video? They had to fake it to rat out us "brown" boaters?

This is one of the reasons I really like Raritan's Hold 'n Treat system: Flush all the dye you want, even if the valve is open it will only end up in the tank only until it's filled high enough it exits via the vent.

Ron, Hold 'n Treat has a key very similar to your setup (key turns off macerator which pumps from Type III tank to Type I device for treatment cycles). I am just not sure every boarding crew has been educated well enough to realize that is just as legal as a removed handle.
 
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The dye thing is true. I'm docked very close to a LE station and they came over one day and asked if they could use my boat to make a training video on how to use the dye. I agreed. Try as we might, we couldn't get the dye to come out of the holding tank so they just dumped some dye in the water to simulate an infraction and make their video.

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What agency was this? Never heard of the CG using dye. I've seen privately owned marinas doing this, and heard of state agencies, but never seen nor heard of the CG doing so.
 
There have been stories of it happening in the Dry Tourtugas. But I've never seen it first hand and they may have involved the park rangers.
 
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............... Ron, Hold 'n Treat has a key very similar to your setup (key turns off macerator which pumps from Type III tank to Type I device for treatment cycles). I am just not sure every boarding crew has been educated well enough to realize that is just as legal as a removed handle.
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I'm counting on it and I suppose I would fight it if I got a citation. The boat was built (in 1999) with an above the waterline holding tank discharge and no place (or need) for a valve.

The reality is a wire tie, removing a valve handle, interrupting the power to the pump with a key switch or locking the door to the head will not stop someone who is determined to pump sewage overboard. Remove the head entirely and people will pee or poop into a bucket and dump it overboard. That's what folks without an onboard head do already. At least where there's a head and holding tank the sewage is chopped up before being dumped.
 
They could install a Type I and do it legally (outside of useless NDZ areas that is).
 
Since I have only 2 means of discharge one is through the decks pump out. The 2nd is through my PuraSan Type 1 MSD. It requires the circuit breaker at my main panel to be on as well as the key switch located in the head (the key is removed when not in use). The discharge from the MSD device is above the waterline so it would be very obvious if the through hull was discharging anything be it treated waste or some colored dye pack.
I have been boarded and this seemed to meet the boarding agents requirements. They key was out of the MSD's Hold-N-Treat panel in the head, the MSD circuit breaker on the main panel was in the off position and 3 the Y valve was in the position for the deck discharge (Pump Out only and not secured). I was boarded returning through the inlet from being offshore.
Bill
 
I have the hold-n-treat as well and use the key, but once had to explain what a type 1 MSD was and that it was impossible for me to discharge unlawfully, even though the unit has big stickers right on it. My valve is always "open", but I have a key with lock for the controls. I've thought about putting the valve handle on "backwards" and securing it with a lock, just to not have to answer stupid questions.

I got the idea from the 20g propane tanks. Remember when the industry decided to not fill all the old style tanks? I had 3 tanks that were produced with the "new" valves, but with the old round handles instead of the triangle ones that the new valves standardized on. Even after pointing out that I had the new safety valve, the fill people still would not touch my tanks. So I simply went home, started up my foundry, rammed up a mold for the new style handle and poured myself a batch of new style handles in aluminum. Suddenly, my bad tanks were good again. (I had a lot of requests for a continued production run of new style handles, but decided not to for obvious reasons, most of those who wanted them did not have the new style valve).

Anyhow….I get tired of having to explain things I don't think I should have to. It's just how my mind works. After all, its optional for me to understand that level of detail, but should not be optional for someone for who it is their profession. It grates on me more than it should.
 
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Anyhow….I get tired of having to explain things I don't think I should have to. It's just how my mind works. After all, its optional for me to understand that level of detail, but should not be optional for someone for who it is their profession. It grates on me more than it should.

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Couldn't agree more.
 
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