Almost sunk my boat

What are the most common items clogging pumps? Rags, oil diapers?
 
Those are two of the top three - next being plastic bags or similar thin plastic wraps (leading killer of outboard and outdrive water pumps right there, also). Also line, garbage bags, flat out trash - just about anything and everything. Buoyant or not it will still end up clogging a pump when it matters most. Rags and well-intentioned oil diapers are definitely the leaders, though.

If you want it to be easy to save a boat, be meticulous about bilge cleanliness - including anything that will end up IN the bilge when everything goes sideways, and have appropriate damage control devices tethered to likely points of water ingress. And don’t deluded yourself into thinking installed bilge pumps are for damage control - they are for maintenance.
 
Plastic bags do not belong in engine rooms.

You are right that bilge pumps have their limits. Obviously if you loose a shaft, they re not going to keep the boat afloat but neither is a diesel pump... a 3” hole 3’ below water line will let about 15 to 20 000 gallons an hour. It s game over regardless of what pump you have even a crash pump

If you look at the more likely scenario of a cooling hose failure, 1 to 2”, you re getting anywhere between 2000 and 7000 GPH in. You do the math, a pair of 3700 with 3’ head will still dewater 6000 GPH without priming, getting out of storage etc.
 
If you sink around here, you just walk back to the dock.
 
I forget that some folks on here are bullet proof. I tend to err on the side of safety and to follow the lead of Classification Societies and Maritime Agencies that have been dealing with Marine Safety for longer that I have been around. An Unispected Passenger Vessel is just that UNISPECTED. The boat has to comply with only minimal basic Federal Boat Act requirements, just like one of those Boat Club vessels that the tourist rent out for a couple of hours. What ever gets them by is what you have. No requirement for fire suppression systems other than a few hand held rule beater fire extinguishers. No requirements for fire proof interior, no requirement for fire doors, no requirements for escape hatches from lower compartments, No requirements for emergency lighting, no requirements for roving fire watches when the Paying Stiffs are asleep, minimal crew requirements, no requirement for an emergency generator located away from the prime machinery space, No requirements for intact stability with TWO compartments flooded, no requirements for watertight integrity, no requirements for protection against down flooding, no requirements for Air intake vents to be have automatic dampers to stop air flow in event of a fire, no requirements for crew training and drills, ETC. The list of what is NOT REQUIRED on an Uninspected Passenger Vessel, verses a properly Inspected and Certified Passenger Vessel is too long to detail in this small space. The cost of this protection and fact that most Production Yachts cannot pass a USCG Inspection is the reason UNINSPECTED Passenger Vessels exist. So you end up with Flat Screen TV's and Espresso Machines rather than gear that could keep your A$$ out of a life raft (if it inflates). PS: If you loose a cooling water hose, just shut down the engine to stop the water flow and close off the water intake through hull if the boat is so equipped and the valve functional. A 3" trash pump will move 21,600 GPH from any compartment in your boat.
 
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Originally posted by L. Keith

I forget that some folks on here are bullet proof. I tend to err on the side of safety and to follow the lead of Classification Societies and Maritime Agencies that have been dealing with Marine Safety for longer that I have been around. An Unispected Passenger Vessel is just that UNISPECTED. The boat has to comply with only minimal basic Federal Boat Act requirements, just like one of those Boat Club vessels that the tourist rent out for a couple of hours. What ever gets them by is what you have. No requirement for fire suppression systems other than a few hand held rule beater fire extinguishers. No requirements for fire proof interior, no requirement for fire doors, no requirements for escape hatches from lower compartments, No requirements for emergency lighting, no requirements for roving fire watches when the Paying Stiffs are asleep, minimal crew requirements, no requirement for an emergency generator located away from the prime machinery space, No requirements for intact stability with TWO compartments flooded, no requirements for watertight integrity, no requirements for protection against down flooding, no requirements for Air intake vents to be have automatic dampers to stop air flow in event of a fire, no requirements for crew training and drills, ETC. The list of what is NOT REQUIRED on an Uninspected Passenger Vessel, verses a properly Inspected and Certified Passenger Vessel is too long to detail in this small space. The cost of this protection and fact that most Production Yachts cannot pass a USCG Inspection is the reason UNINSPECTED Passenger Vessels exist. So you end up with Flat Screen TV's and Espresso Machines rather than gear that could keep your A$$ out of a life raft (if it inflates). PS: If you loose a cooling water hose, just shut down the engine to stop the water flow and close off the water intake through hull if the boat is so equipped and the valve functional. A 3" trash pump will move 21,600 GPH from any compartment in your boat.

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I suggest we all get rid of these mass produced recreational boats.
 
"I suggest we all get rid of these mass produced recreational boats."

Nothing against recreational boats, my post concerns the use of Production Recreational Boats as Uninspected Charter boats carrying more than 6 Passengers via the Bare Boat Charter Loop hole.
 
Actually over 100 GT an uninspected passenger vessel can carry up to 12 passengers without going thru the bareboat loophole ...

Looking back over the last few years, there were many accidents involving inspected vessels with valid COIs

Because a boat isn’t inspected it doesn’t mean the ER fire system incl dampers isn’t certified every year, same with the life rafts... smoke alarms, etc.
 
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Originally posted by L. Keith

I forget that some folks on here are bullet proof. I tend to err on the side of safety and to follow the lead of Classification Societies and Maritime Agencies that have been dealing with Marine Safety for longer that I have been around. An Unispected Passenger Vessel is just that UNISPECTED. The boat has to comply with only minimal basic Federal Boat Act requirements, just like one of those Boat Club vessels that the tourist rent out for a couple of hours. What ever gets them by is what you have. No requirement for fire suppression systems other than a few hand held rule beater fire extinguishers. No requirements for fire proof interior, no requirement for fire doors, no requirements for escape hatches from lower compartments, No requirements for emergency lighting, no requirements for roving fire watches when the Paying Stiffs are asleep, minimal crew requirements, no requirement for an emergency generator located away from the prime machinery space, No requirements for intact stability with TWO compartments flooded, no requirements for watertight integrity, no requirements for protection against down flooding, no requirements for Air intake vents to be have automatic dampers to stop air flow in event of a fire, no requirements for crew training and drills, ETC. The list of what is NOT REQUIRED on an Uninspected Passenger Vessel, verses a properly Inspected and Certified Passenger Vessel is too long to detail in this small space. The cost of this protection and fact that most Production Yachts cannot pass a USCG Inspection is the reason UNINSPECTED Passenger Vessels exist. So you end up with Flat Screen TV's and Espresso Machines rather than gear that could keep your A$$ out of a life raft (if it inflates). PS: If you loose a cooling water hose, just shut down the engine to stop the water flow and close off the water intake through hull if the boat is so equipped and the valve functional. A 3" trash pump will move 21,600 GPH from any compartment in your boat.

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So we're on the same page, then - a recreational boat is not even i the same league is a certificated vessel - whether it's a subchapter T or K or a workboat. It is entirely unrealistic for a rec boat to be able to comply with T-boat requirements.

I also want to point out, just for clarity (I know you are aware, but I want to put this out there for the broader audience) - the requirements for an Uninspected Passenger Vessel are NOT the same as for a recreational vessel. The differences are not vast, but there is a higher standard for UPV's in terms of carriage requirements. I'd wager we would agree that it's not high enough, but it IS different than recreational vessels.
 
At that price it must be good.

Obviously a typo but even then it s a Chinese knock off of rule.
 
the RULE 3700 GOLD is on Amazon for a little over $200.00

RWS
 
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