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danielcooper9

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I was looking at Bertram boats at the Annapolis show last weekend and saw these pictures of the new 51 foot layout (they didn't have this boat at the show). It's marketed as a mix between fishing a cruising by putting forward windows in the salon vs. the typical closed format. 3 staterooms. Nice looking boat if you have $1.5 mil laying around.

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I never like the windows up front if there is no helm inside, you loose a ton of storage space because of the windows, plus you add to the heat that comes in the boat in the summertime.

While it does open up the salon and make it brighter, I think you loose storage which it too valuable IMHO.

There was a 2009 leftover at the Norwalk show, without the front windows. Awesome boat, huge full beam cockpit, nicely done, built like a tank.

A bargain at the ask of $1.2 mil, it you offered $1 million I bet they would jump at it.
 
Very nice boat, I don't like the "ladder" to the bridge, I prefer the molded steps. I get why you have the ladder (more cockpit space), but still prefer the steps.
 
i dont know if "built like a tank" still apply to Ferretti-Bertrams... remember the 60 something that delaminated in Palm Beach a few months ago? i know it's one (actaully two incidents) but they seem to be having coring issues.
 
So let me ask...in the 2nd picture how hard is that landing going to be? In my last boat a 25' express, it would of hurt!

Thanks
Niles
 
This 510 was built pretty solid, just under 66,000#'s for a 51' boat isn't too shabby.

Compare to a 52 Viking at 62,000#.
 
Johnathan i agree about the windows i have to keep mine covered due to the heat in the summer.
 
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Originally posted by Robyns Nest

I never like the windows up front if there is no helm inside, you loose a ton of storage space because of the windows, plus you add to the heat that comes in the boat in the summertime.

While it does open up the salon and make it brighter, I think you loose storage which it too valuable IMHO.
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You do loose a lot of storage but it would just seem odd to me for passengers not to be able to see where you are going underway. But then I've never ridden in a boat like that nor had to worry about finding cabin space to put everything. Anyway, it will be a while before I need to worry about those decisions.
 
I agree with Jonathan. The forward windows would make it a non-starter for me.
 
I would give my left nut for that boat. Something tells me you could get it with the front glassed in if you really wanted it.. A look I do prefer despite the loss of light. My sense is a lot of people buy these high end sport/fish with no intention of ever fishing them. Just judging by the number I see with no towers, chairs, outriggers, teasers, etc.. Just use them for cruising.
 
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Originally posted by danielcooper9

You do loose a lot of storage but it would just seem odd to me for passengers not to be able to see where you are going underway. But then I've never ridden in a boat like that nor had to worry about finding cabin space to put everything. Anyway, it will be a while before I need to worry about those decisions.

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You want to see where we are going, come up to the flybridge, much better view up there!
 
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Originally posted by Robyns Nest

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Originally posted by danielcooper9

You do loose a lot of storage but it would just seem odd to me for passengers not to be able to see where you are going underway. But then I've never ridden in a boat like that nor had to worry about finding cabin space to put everything. Anyway, it will be a while before I need to worry about those decisions.

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You want to see where we are going, come up to the flybridge, much better view up there!

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What goes around, comes around. Most sportfish used to have fwd windows. Then they went out of style. Now they seem to be coming back.
 
Until your offshore and a huge wave blows them in, then you wished you didn't go for the front windows.
 
i'd guess that with current material you cna probably design very strong windows, maybe that's why they're coming back.

personally, i'd sacrifice the storage to the front windows and increase AC capacity. i like having a nice view when anchored out. I have forward windows on my old hatt MY, i dont' cover them even in florida. AC keeps up, just.
 
It is my understanding that these glass windows are as strong as fiberglass, think bulletprrof windows a couple inches thick. If that's the case then why not have them, I always feel like the salon on convertibles is cave like. I believe Bertram also offers a lower helm option in these boats.
 
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Originally posted by Robyns Nest

I never like the windows up front if there is no helm inside, you loose a ton of storage space because of the windows, plus you add to the heat that comes in the boat in the summertime.

While it does open up the salon and make it brighter, I think you loose storage which it too valuable IMHO.
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You do loose a lot of storage but it would just seem odd to me for passengers not to be able to see where you are going underway. But then I've never ridden in a boat like that nor had to worry about finding cabin space to put everything. Anyway, it will be a while before I need to worry about those decisions.

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I have always thought that the solid front boats looked funny. I would not want one that I could not see out. However, it is really no problem as I will never get that type any way .

George
 
I think that is a nice looking boat. I like the forward looking glass. The ladder tho would have to go for molded steps.
 
Good point Niles. Granted, my boat has less deadrise than this boat, but If I ever got my boat that far out of the water, I would be looking for a new admiral. It has been a constant battle to keep our boat from becoming "trailerized" to the point where we can't handle anything greater than 2 ft seas. I think the Admiral likes it that way so I won't expose her to anything too severe. She has watched me watching Deadliest Catch and is terrified that I want to try out the Bering Sea. I put my foot down at potted plants.
 
I'd still rather have the storage space and less need for A/C.

That galley in the picture has no storage space for all the stuff you really need to live, cruise and entertain.

I still have 3 side of windows on my boat now, no need for the bow windows, had it on 2 boats for 12 years and had the front windows covered the entire time.
 
I like the front windows, I have them on my boat. I have a cover for them and haven't used it in years. I wasn't looking for the windows when I bought the boat (very rare to see them on a 38 Blackfin) but I'm glad I ended up with them. When you're in a marina the view out the side windows is the boats next to you, with the front windows we have a nice view and can see what's going on around us. It's especially nice when you're in an outside slip looking out onto a harbor like we were in Montauk this year. When I'm fishing I can look forward from the cockpit and see if we're drifting towards anything and not have to either stay up on the bridge or go back and forth to check what's forward of the bow. If I'm anchored I can make sure no one is drifting towards us.

I think the "windows get blown in when it's rough offshore" idea is overblown. No one mentions that about downeast boats with pilothouse windows or express boats, and on those boats you're right behind the glass when running the boat! From what I've heard the biggest issue was that most companies couldn't keep the front windows from leaking so they eliminated them and made it the 'style'. A lot of the older boats didn't have much support between the glass and things tended to move and leak. This boat looks to have heavy framing between the windows (mine does also) which should eliminate the leaks and make that a non-issue.

Yes, you lose storage space and if the sun is on the forward windows you get extra heat. I'm happy with the tradeoff though because boating is supposed to be about the water and the surroundings and I'll take the view over the storage! We've also found that the 'shelf' below the windows comes in handy, it's like a big section of extra counter space when you need it.

John
 
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