Calling Bill - WIFI Issue

I'm not using the Engenius but the ROGUE for this test. The router has an auto negotiate feature. My set up ssitches to VZW 3G/4G if I lose the WAN connection for 30 seconds. In testing from my office the usable RF range on medium power with the MBR500 router was 200 feet. DHCP is assigned/served by either the Verizon 3G/4G modem or the ROGUE and rebroadcast through the CradlePoint MBR500's WiFi. So far it is flawless. I disconnected my Wave EC/HP/RP to try a lower cost solution using the Wave ROGUE. There is no practical LAN or WAN limitation if the CATe distance is within specifications unless you have a 12VDC POE to the Bridge unit ( I do in this test with a ROGUE 45') if it is 12VDC over the CAT5e you are limited to about 100 feet between the POE and the Bridge unit. That mimitation has nothing to do with the ROUTER on the boat.
Bill
 
Bill, sorry for the lack of response on my part. It's been long days/nights this whole week. Looking forward to Fred Flintstone time. I have not had a chance to play with anything in the evenings for days.
 
No problem at all I was just posting above about a nice solution I have come up with using the CradlePoint MBR500. I am back to using the MBR500 router with my EC/HP through it's Ethernet connection. I removed the rebroadcast card from the high power Wave unit. The MBR500 router is nice for people that don't need a LAN and either want to tether a phone or modem through the USB port or Express card slot and have fail over service.
I am suprised you have given up on the CradlePoint router because it does have an error log under the advanced features tab that might tell you what is going on.
Bill
 
Bill, I could not get the cradlepoint to talk to me at all! I can't check the error log if its so mad at me it won't even talk. It was my favorite router when it worked, because of the really cool USB/wireless stick capability.

If you want I'll send it to you, free of charge. If you can get it to work, heck maybe you can just keep it or pay it forward to someone else who needs it. You convinced me to go with an A router anyway. My only worry is wasting your very very valuable time just fooling with it, even and especially if you don't get it to work. Otherwise, its next location in my play book is going to be the garbage can.
 
Ghost; check your PM box.
I will give it a try, I love challenges.
Bill
 
I thought I would mention one point about using the CradlePoint MBR500 router with the USB modem slot.
I would advise using a short USB extension cable and an external antenna on your Cellular USB modem for best overall performance.
I noticed on average 20% better speed test results when seperating the router from the cellular USB port by using as little as an 18" USB extension. This was in a strong signal area. Adding the external antenna greatly improved the Cellular modems performance in all instances. There is a great forum called the EVDO forum. It is where I 1st learned about the Engenius WiFi units, the Kyocera KR-1 & 2 and where I went to match my new Verizon ULMS-290 3G/4G modem. They go into great detail about the latest software releases for most Modems and Routers. It really isn't marine or RV related more about keeping current with the latest Cellular and WiFi equipment and what works and doesn't work. It can also help you find what Cellular modems & phones will mate up with various routers. Les this shouldn't break the board rules and if it does I will remove the post.
Bill
 
Billy111/Ghost, I have been glued to all these threads on wireless solution when enjoying our boating adventures. I have looked on the Cradlepoint site (and others) and have not found the MBR500,discontiued and replaced by the MBR1000?(appears to have the same spec as in your post on the 500).

I am also going to purchase the ROGUE and a compatable AT&T card to make my system complete. Can you advise me on where to purchase or will the 1000 work as well. the 1000 is a 802.11N 3G/4G, w/failover capablity. Ghost we may be neighbors, I too am in Everett, SI37.
I too am going to purchase the Rogue, a AT&T card and make by internetting complete.
 
Check out the EVDO forum it has nothing to do with boating but they are a great reliable source for AT&T data cards (actally all data cards), Cradlepoint routers (other routers) and the external antenna pigtails needed to connect your cellular data card to an external Marine cellular antenna. They even sell Routers with the latest firmware for 4G stuff you won't even find on the manufactures website. They do not sell the Wave ROGUE. But for everything else they are by far the best most up to date source and a wealth of information.
http://www.evdoforums.com/
Bill
 
GAAAK!!!!! I still have the cradlepoint in the back of my car. I was supposed to send it to Bill weeks ago now. If he gets it to work, I'd happily donate it to the forum, I don't need it back.

Here's my latest saga. I have a rather tedious run of ethernet from my flybridge to my POE injector in the aft cabin. The wire runs from up/down/sideways, into the engine bay, behind the fuel tanks, up into the aft cabin, across, then up again into the back of a closet where I have some items neatly mounted. Well, the wire failed. I know this because I currently have a patch cable running, visibily, through the cabin, out the hatch and strung up to my bridge and antenna. Everything works, but ugly ugly ugly. So a couple weeks ago, I do the nasty and run a new stretch of ethernet. I could not find my old box of ethernet, not in the garage, not in the truck, oh well stop by home depot on the way up an buy a rip off package of a couple hundred feet of nice new blue ethernet. I get it strung and after replacing the ends about 4 times, changing the style of the ends and checking continuity with a multimeter, it doesn't work. So I'm back to my patch cable, ugly but working. It's not simple task to run this !#$!$ wire again. Continuity checks and the pin out is good. Same procedure used to make my patch cable (and a hundred others), yet this turkey doesn't want to go. I temporarily gave up and went to work the past couple weeks on and end-to-end renewal of my cooling systems. If the electronics want to be pesky, fine, be that way, I'll turn wrenches. Lets see who gets ignored now.

Still, an hour and a half away from my boat with the wifi bridge working, I can dial up the boat computer, verify that I'm plugged in and charging and everything is good. Very very cool and I do so often.

Still, I feel like I'm getting the beotch slap from the wifi this year. I'm not sure why it exactly feels as if it was neglected, passed over, insulted or what, but I assure you all that I've given it plenty of attention. I just don't get it. Electronics have such a thin skin these days.
 
I believe a reverse CAT5E to the Engenius from the POE or was it from the POE to the computer or router is needed. I'm almost certain it wasn't a standard CAT5E connection but a crossover one.
Let me check my early high power Syrens I know it uses the crossover CAT5 cable to/from the Bridge unit. In other words one end uses the A standard the other the B standard when crimping.
http://images.search.yahoo.com/sear...fr=yfp-t-892-s&va=cat5+crossover+cable+pinout
Bill
 
You might get lucky try redoing one termination at a time on the (difficult) existing cable run over again. I recommend but am not using it yet myself the new shielded rubberized CAT5/6 FAT cable & connectors. I believe Ubiquiti recently came out with it for AirMax installations. Standard "Blue" is plenum rated not really outdoor or high humidity rated. I know I will be changing out all my existing Access Point systems as well as the cabling run in my boat. It does require a special tool and connectors but these outdoor rated shielded FAT cables will plug into a standard LAN female found on any CAT5/6 device.
http://www.ubnt.com/toughcable
Bill
 
I have been emailing with the techs at the 3gstore and have been presented with another soultion to WiFi, router, etc. Cost is lower than some installation suggested in these pervious threads. Just passing on information not endorsing a product. Enjoy!

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The reason I had asked it because the Wave ROGUE is a great solution but a little pricier and I feel you could get a similar setup for less. We offer the WiFi Ranger Pro ( http://3gstore.com/1/2917 ), which would allow you to use our WFR Boost ( http://3gstore.com/1/2898 ). This setup is very similar to the Wave ROGUE, only it would be about half the cost.

With the WFR Boost accessory you could even add in a higher gain antenna to attach via the SMA connector for similar results that the Wave ROGUE offers. This would be a great alternative solution to grab the WiFi in the surrounding harbors and while at sea. Just keep in mind that the further you get out the harder it will be to pickup WiFi signals.

On land the WFR Boost can extend your WiFi range to around 300 meters and out to sea with no obstructions that distance will be much further. Either way you'll have a great system, I just wanted to point this out as an alternative option.
 
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Originally posted by knuckelbuster

I have been emailing with the techs at the 3gstore and have been presented with another soultion to WiFi, router, etc. Cost is lower than some installation suggested in these pervious threads. Just passing on information not endorsing a product. Enjoy!

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The reason I had asked it because the Wave ROGUE is a great solution but a little pricier and I feel you could get a similar setup for less. We offer the WiFi Ranger Pro ( http://3gstore.com/1/2917 ), which would allow you to use our WFR Boost ( http://3gstore.com/1/2898 ). This setup is very similar to the Wave ROGUE, only it would be about half the cost.

With the WFR Boost accessory you could even add in a higher gain antenna to attach via the SMA connector for similar results that the Wave ROGUE offers. This would be a great alternative solution to grab the WiFi in the surrounding harbors and while at sea. Just keep in mind that the further you get out the harder it will be to pickup WiFi signals.

On land the WFR Boost can extend your WiFi range to around 300 meters and out to sea with no obstructions that distance will be much further. Either way you'll have a great system, I just wanted to point this out as an alternative option.

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I am familiar with that set up anytime you take a Bridge unit and then put an amplifier in front of it to extend the range you run into the near/far problem meaning when your parked in a marina with a strong AP it can make the amplifier go non linear which causes poor data thru-put. In addition I would never recommend a WiFi antenna with over 10db of gain as you boat rocks the tighter verticle pattern think of a douhnut squished and this causes the signals to greatly fluctuate as your boat rocks. In addition I have yet to see a Bridge unit that has a simple connection manager like any of the copywrite protected Wave products.
Now as far as the router/cellular interface these guys know what they are doing.
I even purchased a PepWave very high end unit which can integrate up to 4 cellular modems it has (1) express card slot, (1) PCMCIA (large slot) and (2) USB/phone tethering connections, a LAN input, a load balancer, modem bonding and QOS firmware as well as seperate 200mw WiFi bridge and access point in one box. There is little support from Pepwave and it doesn't do many of the newer 4G cards.
Stick with the ROGUE if you want a great easy to use connection manager then use "other" options for integrating a cellular phone or the LAN/ Cellular/ modem/ router package to rebroadcast either the WiFi or Cellular data over the inside router/AP for the boat.
I actually prefer the EC units over the ROGUE but for some reason most people won't or can't spend that kind of money. I have tried them all including the RANGER in fact let me check before you waste your money I may have one laying around I would give you. As far as the Pepwave I may be selling that at 50% off what it cost me because I am not interested in playing IT guy but I do enjoy testing the RF (radio frequency) performance side of marine based WiFi systems.
Bill
 
Ghost I kept asking the guys in receiving if a CradlePoint router came in for me. Now I know you haven't sent it yet. The offer still stands to fix it and if you want me to send it to another board member if I can get it going (I think I can get it working) I will be happy to pass on the favor.
Bill
 
Thanks Bill111, I will take your advice and stick with the ROUGUE and CradlePoint setup for my boating cell/data managment.

On another note, in areas of low cell signal/reception which booster/repeater hold up best with AT&T service? I will be using the Shock Wave USB stick. Looking at the Wilson DP Pro w/directional antenna. This setup is for my beach home on the Gulf Coast. Same deal, voice and data managment.

My ultimate goal is not to purchase a lot of hardware (for home and boat) and try to utilize some of the hardware in both places. Thanks for you comments and help.
 
I really don't like cellular amplifiers in boats unless they are the direct connect type. The perfect world solution for you would be the Ericsson W35 modem for phone/data and a stand alone ROGUE for WiFi both on external antennas. If the USB modem has a SIM card you could drop it in the W35 when at the boat. I have never been a Wilson fan. Digital antenna company makes some great Cellular marine based antennas I use the Digital 563W's on my hardtop.
Bill
 
Roger That!
Thanks for helping me with my problem(s) and providing serveral solutions to ponder. I will get back with you with my purchase decision and testing both at my beach home and on the boat.
 
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Originally posted by knuckelbuster

Billy111, have been looking at some of the user reviews of the Ericsson, not promising.
http://www.comparecellular.com/rogers-modems/details-reviews.asp?PhoneID=1036
http://www.comparaisoncellulaires.com/bell-modems/details-reviews.asp?PhoneID=1187

will continue to research.

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I can only tell you my experience with the Ericsson W25 & 35 I have both. I have no speed issues it depends where you are if you are in a HSPA+ market (there are plently) I get 6-5mbps DL and 2-3mbps UL. Remember you also get a phone line as well as data and a built in router. I no longer use the W25 it is a spare. The unit also has an external antenna connector and runs on 12VDC , perfect for the boat. But I am in the Northeast where the speeds are still by far the fastest on any 3G network. I'm not talking 4G. I have never tried T-Mobile with either unit because they don't have HSPA+ in Southern NJ. The Ericsson unit is limited to either AT&T or T-Mobile in the US it's base is the GSM platform thru HSPA+.
 
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Originally posted by Billylll

Ghost I kept asking the guys in receiving if a CradlePoint router came in for me. Now I know you haven't sent it yet. The offer still stands to fix it and if you want me to send it to another board member if I can get it going (I think I can get it working) I will be happy to pass on the favor.
Bill

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It started its travels your direction yesterday Bill.
 
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