Can ANYONE advise on this problem?

Katie

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Ok. First, I apologize for the ramble, but I have to give the whole picture. Second..please don't tell me how dumb this was.. I'm quite aware of it from where I am, but right now I need a solution. I know how I got myself into this.. My trusting stupid **$$ self.

Here goes:

Last season, I had Pearl Grey Marine repair my little 8hp. Did a great job, no complaints. Since I had been there a few times, I was chatting with a young man who works there as I saw him doing some fabrication work etc.
I mentioned I would love to have a hydraulic crane on my boat but it's too expensive. In passing, he mentioned that he could build one with no problem at less than 1/4 of the price of a new one and John, the owner seemed to be fine with it, as per my conversation with him. ok.
I contacted him by phone in late Feb 07' and made arrangements for him to come to the boat for an estimate in mid March. He came down to the boat, priced it out, chatted about options etc. He was very sincere, respectful and cordial. He gave me a price of "up to" $2,000. He said it would be able to lift with the winch.. upwards of 1500lbs. So, with that, we agreed on it, shook hands and he had a deal. He calls me 2 days later and explains about the materials he'll need etc and he doesn't have front money for it. He asks me for $600 to get it started. I agreed. He got the money and gave me a reciept. Calls me a week later and says, the piece he got was not galvanized and wouldn't hold up blah blah..and he has to get a guy to weld the base piece and the guy is holding him up etc. Not knowing how much anything of this nature costs, he requests another $600for parts, jacks, etc. He showed up promptly for the money.. I gave it to him, with a reciept. (Keep in mind, this whole time as the weeks were going by, I was still trusting what he was telling me up until 4 weeks ago)
My bad.

PS...He has a total of $1500 of mine, and every week he calls me with a different idiot excuse. It's been crazy at work, I dropped my cell phone in the water and you have to call my girlfriends cell blah, blah.(it was cut off for non payment) Last weekend when he called, I said to him very calmly, Ralph I am getting impatient and I don't think your the kind of guy to intentionally screw anyone (NOT!.. just trying to grease this schmuck since he has my $$) but this is almost 2 months now. He immediately went from 0-60mph and starts yelling at me.. YOU THINK I WOULD SCREW YOU, YOU THINK I'M DOING THIS ON PURPOSE, BLAH BLAH BLAH. USING EXPLETIVES I MAY ADD)I wanted to calm him down because he has my money and the job wasn't even started. Everything he has told me was a complete unadulterated lie. From listening to him, I have learned alot about him. He is a pathological liar, unreliable, irresponsible, and he has money, time and anger management issues and God knows whatelse lurking in his closet. Plus...I noticed everytime he showed up in his broken down car, his girlfriend was driving. My assumption is he had his license lifted. This man is a true con artist. He only addresses me as "sweetheart". I asked him 6 times, do not call me that. He thinks because I was a "nice woman" and tried to nurture the relationship that he found another moron to latch on to. The money I gave him was long spent on God knows what, but he keeps complaining he "isn't making anything on this job". As of Sunday (today), he hasn't called with any excuse, but I have been at the boat all weekend and he was no where in sight.It has been 2 months since that handshake. The money, I know I will never see it again. The job most likely wont' get done, because if I have to take him to small claims court, he'll say.. screw it. This dirt bag took me for a ride and I am feeling very revengeful at this moment. I only know he works at Pearl Grey Marine in Amityville, other than that.. I have no idea who he is.
I know.. I know. I'm a trusting idiot.

It's going to get ugly really fast and I want to just be prepared for him.

Any advice?
 
WOW....... unreal.

Katie.....does this scumbag still work for Pearl Grey Marine ? Do you know where he lives ???...:)
 
I'd find some guys with slick nicknames who's last name ends in a vowel and ask them to take Ralphie boy for a ride.
 
Katie,
I have had a bunch of work done on my boat at Pearl Grey. In my experiences, John has been a stand-up guy. Maybe you could ask him for some help. I'm sure he will realize this might not reflect too well on his business, and try to help you out. It might be worth a shot.
Trip
 
I agree with Trip. Since you said the owner was aware of this "on the side" deal, there's no harm in talking to him as the guy represents his company. You really don't have anything to lose.
 
At this point I'd try to get your money back but would not let him start on the job. Better to find out he's unreliable now before he touched anything than after he starts drilling holes in your boat. You could end up with some sort of half-constructed crane on your deck that doesn't function and you're afraid to use the boat because the thing isn't secured, and of course it will cost you more and more money... Did he even check to see if there's a strong enough spot on your boat to mount a crane that could lift 1500 lbs? Reading this my impression is he was going to slap together something cheap and see how much he could make off you... No way would I continue with this project, even if it costs you $1500 to walk away.
 
Katie,
I feel bad for you, we have all been there at one point in our lives. Go to Perl Gray, plead your case with them, afterall they gave the thumbs up on this guy. I also have to totaly agree with JohnC, this may be a blessing in disguise.

Ok, with that being said, your options are as follows.

1- Tell this guy this just did not work out and you want your money back, then settle for half if that works. Also ask him about the sales tax and you would like his sales tax #. I would guarentee he does not have one and has doing businees on the side without collecting NYS sales tax. If you rat him out to the NYS sales tax, they will hang him, that $1,500.00 will be chump change when they are done with him.
2- Sue him in small claims court, very simple process and costs very little.
3- Lean on Pearl Grey, to some how compensate you (cheaper labor rate or paint your bottom for free next year, etc)
4- ALL THE ABOVE..........

Your revenge will be the sales tax gig, if you decide to sue in small claims court then email me, my ex partner did it all the time and won every time. I can advise you on the do's and don'ts in small claims court. More than likely you will win in small claims court, collecting is another issue, but he will have a judgement that will follow him around.

PS. The advice on having his legs broken, today's rates don't warrant a $1,500.00 problem, at least that's what I have heard :).

Walter
 
Walter.......I like the sales tax approach......call in the big dogs... !!!!

Also check and see if he's giving the IRS their cut.
 
whew... I"m so glad you guys didn't pummel me for this stupid ass move. I'm also relieved that
others have made similiar mistakes. Ok.. next.
My DH has no idea about this. If I go alone to Pearl Grey, John will most likely be helpful. Then...I will have to go around the back and bitch slap this little scum sucker verbally. I will ask him for the money back within one week. I will make John aware of it as well and it will get really ugly, really fast. This piece of crap will try and rip my head off verbally and degrade me etc.. wondering if I shouldn't tell DH now.. bring him with me and then go from there? Or go alone.. and hope he does the right thing.. but I know he won't be.

:((((
 
Tell your DH sooner rather than later.

Also, how about threatening to file a police report...just in case he's on probation or something.

Good Luck. I could see myself in a similar situation, trusting a guy not realizing you don't have a last name or address.

I also agree with JohnC...don't let this clown near your boat! $1500 is chump change compared to the damage he could do.
 
ooh! that works. I'm going there this morning and let him know he can either give me the money (leave it in an envelope at the front desk) by wednesday or I will file a police report, file a small claims report, and forward a certified letter to the IRS of his "cash" upfront practices with no tax charged. Then, to follow it up, I may have a few of my boys take him shark fishing!

If I'm not back in 24 hours, tell my family I love them~~
 
I'm back and in less than 12hrs.
Went to Pearl Grey this morning, had my professionally typed and carefully worded document I typed to shove up his ying yang, but instead when I asked him to please step outside becuase I didn't want to get any blood on the workbench area, he fell apart on me. He started calling himself the worlds biggest jerk off for not getting to this sooner, I have a right to be pissed blah blah. He also admitted that I was "too nice" and he needs a can of whoop ass to keep him focused. Huh?
He showed me all the parts to the davit and such and also the plans for it etc.. I felt almost sorry for that kid. He was so pathetic. Anyway, he swore that he would be off the boat by Sunday and I would be estactically happy with the davit etc.. I know, I know.. I should have said no way, but after evaluating what he showed me and his once in a lifetime moment of honesty in admitting he's a jerk was very satisfying for me in a strange way. He called himself everything I wanted to! John the owner was there too and he knows whats going on, so I felt better about that too. We'll give clowny till Sunday and see what he does with it. I told him if I have to come back on Monday to settle this... his own mother won't even recognize him when I'm finished. The clock is ticking....
 
Katie,
Has he ever done a lift before on a boat and if so have you seen his work or talked to anyone that he did this for? I hope (for your sake) he know's what he is doing and know's how to install it and support it properly. Hope all works out for you, let us know.

Walter
 
Walter, yes actually I was watching him on another boat and it was already done, but he was doing something else on the guys boat. I didn't ask the guy if he was satisfied with the work cause I didn't think I needed to. I took him on face value. My bad. Just another lesson the journey...
 
Katie,
I am soooo intrested to see how this works out. First off I hope all works out and he does a good job. Second, I want one at that price :). I am hoping the guy is a dick as far as businees goes, but may be really good at what he does, this could be the case. I have seen this before and it blows my mind.

I would love to see the final product, could you be so kind to show me? If you like, I will inspect it before you make your final payment. I am no expert on these things but have been around the block and have a good eye. Either way, before or after is ok with me.

For the record, your not bad, and I would of jumped on this if I got the thumbs up from someone I respect (PGM). I still think JohnC had some good points, and I agree, but this could be a sweet deal and he may know what he is doing.

I truely wish you the best on this and hope all works out to your satisfaction.

Walter
 
I'm' curious too how this turns out. He said I needed to bug the $hit out of him the other day, so I did my thang and already called him like 3 times since yesterday with updates and questions. He's a little more aware of me now than he was before yesterday. I think he is truly a schmuck in money and time management. He wants to do the right thing and wants business from it, but doesn't understand the concept of "who" you should be greasing if you want the business. To screw your own source of biz is a quite lame, I agree. But lets see what he does with it now. This is the crunch. He has till Sunday, but I can't imagine him finishing it on Sunday. When all is said and done, it will cost $2500 but will make my life so much easier. You can't buy one and have it installed for under 5k. I looked all over.
 
Katie, what's his name? Can't be John's brother Mike, Pete can't see, big Al the mechanic? or the other guy (25 - 30?)who I don't know? I have kept my boat there for 6 - 7 seasons, maybe I could say something to him about my friend...
 
Katie, what's his name? Can't be John's brother Mike, Pete can't see, big Al the mechanic? or the other guy (25 - 30?)who I don't know? I have kept my boat there for 6 - 7 seasons, maybe I could say something to him about my friend...

ah ha!! Yes, it's Ralph, he's about 25-30. Looks like he just rolled off the side of the bed? You know him. He actually told me that HE was the one with the bad eyes and that's why his girlfriend drives him to and fro.. and brings him lunch everyday? Yea, see I D I O T written on my forehead?
Your welcome to say something anything that won't piss him off and get his back up. :)))
 
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