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Peggy Hall.

Are you out there?

Looking for thoughts on the Raritan

ELECTRO SCAN TREATMENT SYSTEM, 12VOLT.

With salt feed?

Verses Holding and discharge.

No pump outs planned or available. So be at least 12 miles for off load. Through some nasty water on the "odd Occasion"

I live aboard.
 
Peggy hasn't been here for maybe 2 years or more; however, Vic hasn't stumbled yet, and he works for Raritan who makes the Electro Scan, so he has all these answers. Calling Vic! Calling Vic!

Delaware Jim
 
Not speaking for Vic, but my boat came from the factory with the LectraSan system. I added the salt feed tank since I boat in freah water. As long as you maintain the system, it is great. It is like a mini septic system onboard.
 
ElectroSan's have benn around for many years. As long as you are not in a designated NDZ the ElectroSan is legal and IMO an excellent addition.
 
Thanks

Quick too

I am just starting to look at options. The electrosan might cover my but at my home port.

Power consumption ? Amp hour per day? How much ( go juice ) battery will I need. any thoughts.

Willy
 
I think Vic is on vacation for another week. I think.

Soon...

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"I'll be back on the board somewhere around the 22nd!" V W
 
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Originally posted by oldfishboat

Thanks

Quick too

I am just starting to look at options. The electrosan might cover my but at my home port.

Power consumption ? Amp hour per day? How much ( go juice ) battery will I need. any thoughts.

Willy

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Willie,

Both ElectroScan and Purasan (the other Type 1 sanitation device made by Raritan)have a three minute operation cycle per flush. Power consumption during this cycle: ElectroScan is around 40 amps at 12VDC, 15 amps at 12VDC for the Purasan.

Salt tank is highly recommended for the ElectroScan unless you are flushing with saltwater. Purasan needs no salt for the disinfectant cycle.

My inlaws have a LectraSan (older version of the ElectroScan) and they love it. I installed a Purasan on our boat three years ago. I love it and wouldn't go any other way.
 
I've had LectraSan's on my last three boats. Very good equipment. Sometimes you have to show the toilet police the brochure to convince them that it's leagal. The Purasan is listed on the Raritan site as being for fresh water. Can you add a salt tank to one? Luck. Dale
 
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I've had LectraSan's on my last three boats. Very good equipment. Sometimes you have to show the toilet police the brochure to convince them that it's leagal. The Purasan is listed on the Raritan site as being for fresh water. Can you add a salt tank to one? Luck. Dale

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Dale,

Purasan does not need a salt tank to be operated with any kind of water. It can be used with any kind of flush water.

ElectroScan is designed to be operated with saltwater or with fresh water (with the optional salt tank.) Salt works with the high current electrodes to produce chlorine that disinfects waste. If the ElectroScan is used with fresh or brackish water, then you have to add that missing salt to the system with a salt tank.

Purasan does not uses high current electrodes and salt. It disinfects by using a chemical disinfectant. The disinfectant comes in a cartridge that is housed in a beer stein sized dispenser. The replaceable cartridges are very long lasting and cost about $50. A Purasan disinfectant cartridge will last well over a year for the average boater and about three months for live-aboards before it needs replacement. Replacement of the cartridge is easy. I use Purasan with a manual head. The cartridge is now going on year three, but looks like it will be replaced sometime this summer.
 
oldfishboat, Raritan's treatment systems are not accepted everywhere in BC. Be sure to check with your local authorities to be sure they're allowed in your area. Aside from that, take heed of what the others have to say. I work for Raritan, the manufacturer of both the electro-scan (formerly the Lectra/San) and the Purasan, so obviously I'm biased in that direction.

On the other side of the coin, a holding tank should be sized on the basis of 4 gallons/person/day. In addition, it will have to be plumbed to a deck fitting for dockside pumpout when in a marina. It may (or may not) also need a macerator pump and a through-hull fitting for pumpout when at sea. A 30 or 40 gallon holding tank can run in the range of $400, sometimes more; a macerator pump can run from $200.00 to $400.00, depending on brand. Plus plumbing, "Y" valves, etc. So when you total it all up, a holding tank system will often run about 2/3 the cost of a treatment system, so a holding tank isn't ALL THAT MUCH cheaper than a treatment system.

And a treatment system doesn't generally permit any foul toilet odors inside the boat. You'll see many postings here on holding tank odor, and how to get rid of it, and all the associated frustration in trying to get rid of it...
 
Just for clarification can a PuraSan be used with salt water? I thought it was a fresh water only unit? I boat in brackash and salt waters so I thought I would have to tap into my fresh water system to use PuraSan. I prefer it because it has a lower current draw over ElectrSan.
 
Purasan was originally developed for use in fresh water, but can actually be used in either. But before ordering, we'll need to know what kind of head, how many heads, etc. - as there are 2 versions of the Purasan and the correct unit must be mated to the actual application.
 
oldfishboat, I neglected to mention, Peggie Hall gave up moderating on this board, back in September 2003. I took over to replace her, and have been here ever since.
 
Thanks for the great info. So Vic you are the guy. Thanks.

I should explain a bit more as to what I am up against as a live aboard on the Fraser River in Richmond BC.

When I purchased my first boat to live on in 92 it came with a holding tank. I wanted so great. Moved the boat from Vancouver Island to here. After the first week living on board the tank needed to be emptied. ????????? nope no pump outs. The tank was plumbed with the deck fitting only for pump out. So I had a gusher pump and some hose and I got busy. NOT FUN. Direct discharge it is.

Here I am 14 or so years later on a different boat. I instald a holding tank for cruising. Last year I used it one night and the year before I think it was used for three in the NDZ areas here. Great! makes the swimming more fun.

Now the new regs are about to be released I hope. I belive they will allow for treatment systems but I have not seen em yet. They are not at this point leagal so If it stays that way I am F---.

There are no pump outs planned here. But for pleasure cruisers it will be legal to off load once they are off the river mouth. So in bound or out they simply unload when using the boat. Or use pump outs at locations they might be visiting. For me thats a 10 mile run one way at 7 knots to an area that can have some nasty sea conditions just to dump. Did I say there are no pump outs planned. so 20 miles 3 hours once a week or when weather permits. I just dont see that workin.

I am located beside the Iona sewage treatment plant that is a first stage treatment deal. On about 50 % of what they recieve. The rest floats by me. But I need to hire a tanker truck to pick up and drop off to use that facility. I have no idea were I might actualy be able to pull that off or place the boat so I could pull that off. Even thought about an older herring skiff with a monster tank but I hope I dont have to go that route.

So the treatment deal fits the bill. If thats a no go well a wheel barrel to the park where I take the dog or something. Hope I dont have to go down that road.I just dont know what I will do.

At least the dog is still good to go at the beach beside the treatment plant.

Any way the plan now is to have one head on the holding tank / direct discharge deal ( current set up ). The other to be on a treament deal. Both manual heads raw water fed.

City of Richmond realy wants to clear the area of boats it seems. Make nice for the 2010 games so after then things might change back up. But till then I dont see any pump outs. The new regs dont leave much insentive for marinas to install that service either. Or the idea of a honey barge since 90% of the boats will simply off load off the river.

So if there are any ideas out there bring em on.

The bussiness I founded 13 years ago is located across the marina parking lot. Moving is not outa the picture but be hard to give up the walk to work. I realy do try to be enviromental and all.

Willy

Thanks again Vic.
 
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