Costa Concordia

Titan Salvage rocks! Or in this case rolls your a$$ upright while on the rocks.
 
Quite an impressive operation. before seeing this I was pretty proud of myself for my cable/pulley winch arrangement thingy i do to get my dock and ramp out of the river in the fall......now, not so much....
 
I hear they are offering discounted ticket prices for her next cruise. I would recommend an upper deck, portside cabin. :)
 
A couple of Rule 500 GPH bilge pumps and the thing will be fully afloat!
 
I find it very interesting how most of the coverage on the Concordia salvage, incl AP and Reuters stories, completely ignore the fact that it is a US company handling th salvage, obviously with support from Italian contractors. I saw articles about Italian pride being restored, and how a South African is in charge but no mention of Titan.
 
So true yet when the next job comes along those in charge will know who to call.
 
I'm going to miss seeing it going in and out of Rome.
 
Does this make sense?

"Schettino also has told the court that the ship would not have crashed had his helmsman executed his instructions.

According to recordings from the ship's bridge from the vessel's black box, Schettino directed the helmsman to turn "hard to starboard" in English, but the helmsman can be heard asking "hard to port?" The helmsman then turned the ship right instead of left just 13 seconds before it hit the rocks."
 
That may well be right that he gave an order that was not immediately executed, but so what?

Let me say it this way. He took the ship near peril and then acts surprised when a helmsman is unable to react quickly. Uh.....wrong. It is assumed that a helmsman may not have time to interpret an order in a tight situation. That's exactly why you don't put the ship in such a situation unnecessarily and when you can't avoid such a situation, your ship is operated at a speed/circumstance such that the added risk is mitigated (such as with a Pilot).

Hell....even Rednecks understand this. That's why the phrase 'hold my beer and watch this' exists in the first place.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2424321/Costa-Concordia-How-luxury-vessel-boasting-spa-casino-theatre-reduced-grimy-crumpled-wreck.html A bit on the belongings and some up close pics of her righted.
 
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Originally posted by Ghost

That may well be right that he gave an order that was not immediately executed, but so what?

Let me say it this way. He took the ship near peril and then acts surprised when a helmsman is unable to react quickly. Uh.....wrong. It is assumed that a helmsman may not have time to interpret an order in a tight situation. That's exactly why you don't put the ship in such a situation unnecessarily and when you can't avoid such a situation, your ship is operated at a speed/circumstance such that the added risk is mitigated (such as with a Pilot).

Hell....even Rednecks understand this. That's why the phrase 'hold my beer and watch this' exists in the first place.

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No, you were missing my question. I agree that the Capt was responsible.

The story says:
Capt: Hard to Starboard
Helm: Hard to Port?
Then Helm turned right (starboard) 13 seconds later
But Capt said helm turned oppostie his order. Granted there was a delay, but he turned to starboard

Further, the starboard turn swayed the back of the ship into the rocks.
 
Whenever you are executing a manuver that requires immediate action from a Captain's decision, Captain takes the helm. That is why I hold the thrust levers during take off regardless of who is performing it and why I fly all auto lands during Cat 2 and Cat 3 approaches.
 
The captain does NOT take the helm on ships that size. To start with he's simply too busy, and on many ships the visibility from the helm is pretty poor. That's what helmsmen and watch officers are for. Ships are a TEAM operation; the captain is in the window, in the radar or on the wing where he can see. He may even use a walkie-talkie to communicate with the men at the controls. Been there.
 
In my opinion the captain has no excuse - he is responsible period. What he did is no different from an airline pilot deciding to buzz his buddies house and crashing a jet in his front yard - whether the pilot has his hands on the controls at the time does not matter, your the captain, it's on you. The fact that the captain and helmsman are not in agreement about what is Port or STB really has nothing to do with it. The issue is the captain was showboating and screwed up. We have all done something similar, just not usually with a ship or a jet full of passengers. I guess if I was in the deep do do he is in I would be trying everyting I could to get out of it also, but everyone still knows he is responsible regardless of the legal maneuvering.
 
Several hundred years of marine legal decisions and investigations has caused the Judges to walk back the situation to the earliest possible influential events. In this case it seems that the earliest such event that would have a negative influence is the decision to take the ship into unfamiliar waters (an exceptional diversion from routine track) and possible danger (shallow steep bottom and rocky obstructions) should EVERYTHING not go according to expectations.
Guilty as Charged.
 
The captain is still responsible whether or not his hands were on the wheel. HE is still in charge. There are very few exceptions and I don't think showboating is one of them.
 
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Originally posted by stmbtwle

The captain does NOT take the helm on ships that size. To start with he's simply too busy, and on many ships the visibility from the helm is pretty poor. That's what helmsmen and watch officers are for. Ships are a TEAM operation; the captain is in the window, in the radar or on the wing where he can see. He may even use a walkie-talkie to communicate with the men at the controls. Been there.

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BS! I have been on the bridge of a cruise ship leaving Aruba when the Captain most certainly took the helm (100k tons) during close manuvering. I have also been on simulated bridges of VLCCs in conjuction with implimenting CRM programs and seen similar actions. Yes they are team operations, every large vehicle and mission critical plant are team operations. That is what CRM is for and the dicta of CRM is that tasks requiring time critical manuvering be briefed to the crew and then executed. If the manuvering is dynamically contingent upon the "command's" judgement then command manuvers the control.
 
So if he did not take direct control what was he doing that was more important?
 
There's a big difference between a simulator and the real thing when it comes to ships. Ships are 100-200 ft wide these days... From the center of a ship where the wheel is, you really can't see that much. It would be like you parking your 7-whatever close enough to the terminal that your passengers could walk out on the wing and step off, WITHOUT the help of any signalmen on the ground.

The Master (captain to you) doesn't have to be at the wheel or even inside the wheelhouse; that's what the working class are for. He is going to be wherever he needs to be to best manage his ship, and he has more important things to do than steer. If he wants to showboat by taking the wheel, you can bet there's a pilot somewhere else telling him what to do.

I know ships have changed since I retired, but I rather doubt they've changed THAT much.
 
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